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Posted by HellknightLeon (448 posts) 1 year, 27 days ago

Poll: What will the Xbox One not have to make a price drop happen. (227 votes)

500g hard drive 19%
Kinect 56%
Other 26%

I don't think I've seen this posted like a poll... and yeah I didn't look all that hard. Sorry guys if this is trolling.

Things seem so crazy with this years console fight. I was thinking about what they could/would do. Taking out the Kinect seems super crazy... but so did a lot of whats happened so far. Just wanted to see what you guys thought.

#1 Posted by EvilNiGHTS (1093 posts) -

They've already committed to Kinect being integral to what they're doing (although they could go back on that, I guess). Since they've gone back to "the disc has to be in the drive", presumably installs are going to be less of a thing, so the hard drive seems like the logical thing to cut back on. I doubt that'd shave $100 off though.

#2 Posted by ProfessorEss (7278 posts) -

Subsidies.

#3 Edited by HellknightLeon (448 posts) -

Subsidies.

I agree this would be an option but getting the legal out of the way seems like it would take a long time "if" they have not started yet.

#4 Posted by Kerned (1169 posts) -

They probably can't take out the Kinect at this point, which is the main reason I will probably never buy an xbone.

#5 Posted by Jimbo (9772 posts) -

I think they'll just take the hit.

#6 Posted by alternate (2682 posts) -

It doesn't need a drop at launch, it will sell out anyway. 6 month down the line they will hope component prices allow a cut.

#7 Edited by ProfessorEss (7278 posts) -

@hellknightleon: I'm convinced that they started working on the subsidies before they started working on the hardware (for better or for worse).

...but I'm also wrong most of the time :P

#8 Posted by JoeyRavn (4948 posts) -

What will the Xbox One not have to make a price drop happen? Buyers. Mark my words.

#9 Posted by Nekroskop (2786 posts) -

Definitely a Kinect. A 500 GB laptop hard drive doesn't cost them a lot when you consider how many they're buying for the production line. Downgrading to a 320GB won't affect the price much at all. Maybe 20 bucks tops per unit(if even that)

Then again the system probably won't work without a kinect anyway. Subsidies seems to be the only way if you want a price drop. Personally I never buy anything on contract, since it's not worth it in the end. I'd rather buy something at full price and not be stuck with a plan I'm not content with.

#10 Posted by LordAndrew (14424 posts) -

Kinect is required. And removing a required component just to screw people over sounds like something Microsoft would do. So I'll go with Kinect.

#11 Edited by laserbolts (5311 posts) -

Microsoft are retarded for making the Kinect a must have for this new system.

#12 Posted by leebmx (2215 posts) -

I really don't think they are ever going to remove the Kinect because it goes so fundamentally with what they have set out for this console (although that hasn't stopped them so far). I don't think it will be the HD either because it would have to be too small, or non-existent to even make a difference.

What they will do is offer consoles on some sort of plan with monthly payments. They have already tried it with the 360 and apparently it was a big success. This is the only option, other than them eating $100 on each console and hoping they make it up in game sales which seems even less likely.

I predict something like $299 with 2 years of $50 for a One with Xbox Live.

#13 Edited by ll_Exile_ll (1428 posts) -

Are people voting on what they think will happen or what they hope will happen? Because there is a 0.00% chance of any SKU shipping without Kinect. They are committed to Kinect being an integral and necessary aspect of the system, they will never sell one without it.

As has been speculated, I believe the only way you'll be able to get an Xbox One at launch cheaper than $499 is by signing a long term contract, but if the subsidy plan they tried out with Xbox 360 is any indication ($99 with a 2 year contract at $15 a month), it will be a bad deal in the long term.

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#14 Posted by MideonNViscera (2257 posts) -

Even though anything less than a 500g hard drive seems criminal, I think they'd ship with no hard drive before they shipped without Kinect.

#15 Posted by CornBREDX (4785 posts) -

Kinect is an easy loss. If it really costs that much with a kinect I can easily see it dropping to $300. The thing is, they say the Kinect is required for it to even work. That's kind of a dumb requirement, though. I guess that's xbox one in general.

#16 Posted by Gamer_152 (14051 posts) -

There's no way they're taking the Kinect out of that thing, it's core to what Microsoft are doing with that console. They seem more likely to drop the 500GB hard-drive but I don't really see them taking that out any time soon either. If we see a price drop I'm expecting it to be further down the line and I think it's unlikely that they'd start knocking down the specs of that console to make it cheaper. The most I could see them doing in that regard is offering a lower-end alternative to the main Xbox One some time in the future.

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#17 Posted by Daneian (1207 posts) -

A family share plan.

#18 Edited by Hector (3354 posts) -

I hope they announce a subsidized version closer to launch.

#19 Edited by pweidman (2297 posts) -

Nothing's gonna happen for at least a year imo.

#20 Posted by falserelic (5312 posts) -

I've always thought kinect was a dumb idea sense the beginning, and now sense its a requirement to have it on the console. I think its just abunch of bullshit just to get more money from people. This whole year Microsoft has been greedy and full of shit, and everybody knows it. Its funny when shit hits the fan they back off there dumb online polices, but its to late for them now damage is already done.

Hell I wouldn't be surprise if they go back to there old polices, once the console has shipped out a certain amount of units. Then they'll probably end up getting sued by alot of people. Anyway I'm done with Microsoft in general. I ain't supporting that money grabbing console.

#21 Edited by ProfessorEss (7278 posts) -

@gamer_152 said:

There's no way they're taking the Kinect out of that thing, it's core to what Microsoft are doing with that console.

For me personally (and maybe a little sadly), Kinect is the only thing that Sony or Microsoft is offering that doesn't seem to have a better, cheaper option on PC.

#22 Posted by EarlessShrimp (1631 posts) -

There isn't going to be a price drop for at least a year or two, and they will do nothing to drop the price now. They've committed to the things that they're doing now (after the whole DRM thing) and I don't think they're gonna change anything else.

#23 Edited by Tortoise (178 posts) -

They could leave out a controller. That's a decent saving, right? You don't need one because you'll be changing TV channels with your voice and a majestic wave of your hand. If you want to play Forza you can go ahead and buy your own joypad and be happy, Mr Rich Gamer.

#24 Edited by Make_Me_Mad (3018 posts) -

I think they'll probably just ship it without the 500g hard drive, if they want a price cut that badly. Remember, though, that they also released their remodeled Xbox 360 at $299 if you wanted a bigger hard drive. Essentially, if you wanted a kinect with it, the 360 remodel they just released costs about as much as the PS4, possibly more depending on tax/shipping and handling. I don't think they'll drop the price of the Xbox One any time soon.

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#25 Edited by Sergio (2044 posts) -

People looking for a subsidized version don't seem to realize that they'll still end up paying the same amount, if not more. It won't be the same Xbox Live Gold $60/yr (or less if you bought cards on sale) you have now. It'll probably be $15/mo and you'll end up paying more when all is said and done, like their subsidy experiment.

This is assuming they didn't tie their subsidization to the always online stuff. Before their 180, I expected that the always online checks could be used to prohibit play if you hadn't paid your monthly bill.

#26 Edited by devilzrule27 (1239 posts) -

Well they already dropped the headset...I swear it's like bizarro 2004/2005/2006 up in here.

#27 Edited by EvilNiGHTS (1093 posts) -

@sergio said:

People looking for a subsidized version don't seem to realize that they'll still end up paying the same amount, if not more. I

People have a tendency of doing this anyway. The amount I've spent on monthly cellphone bills surplus to requirements dwarfs the cost of the handset, and I doubt I'm the first to do it either.

#28 Posted by Sergio (2044 posts) -

@sergio said:

People looking for a subsidized version don't seem to realize that they'll still end up paying the same amount, if not more. I

People have a tendency of doing this anyway. The amount I've spent on monthly cellphone bills surplus to requirements dwarfs the cost of the handset, and I doubt I'm the first to do it either.

The difference is that you'd be paying that monthly phone bill anyway. Otherwise, you have a paper weight, subsidized or not. The rates you're paying is the same regardless of the phone you use.

#29 Posted by ManMadeGod (1552 posts) -

@sergio said:

@evilnights said:

@sergio said:

People looking for a subsidized version don't seem to realize that they'll still end up paying the same amount, if not more. I

People have a tendency of doing this anyway. The amount I've spent on monthly cellphone bills surplus to requirements dwarfs the cost of the handset, and I doubt I'm the first to do it either.

The difference is that you'd be paying that monthly phone bill anyway. Otherwise, you have a paper weight, subsidized or not. The rates you're paying is the same regardless of the phone you use.

The price of the phone is built into the bill. Once you pay off the phone, the price doesn't drop. That's what T-Mobile was going on about with their "no contract" phones.

A subsidized Xbox would appeal to people because they wouldn't have to pay $500 up front, even if they pay more in the long run.

#30 Posted by YukoAsho (2001 posts) -

They've got such a hard-on for the Kinect that, even if that's what they SHOULD take out, it's most likely going to be the HDD.

Then again, they surprised me by backing off on their DRM nonsense, so who knows?

#31 Posted by Jimbo (9772 posts) -

What they shoulda done is make a digital only version of the console, subsidise the shit out of it so it way undercut PS4 on price, and then make it all back a bunch of times over on the much bigger cut they would be getting from each digital sale.

#32 Edited by DarthOrange (3851 posts) -

After the whole DRM thing I don't even know. I don't think Microsoft knows either.

#33 Posted by HellknightLeon (448 posts) -

All I can see is small things like maybe a controller thats not as good(whatever that could be). Maybe take out the Hdmi cable or drop the HDD size. All with little to know major price drop. The subsidized idea "seems" so far off its hard to think of that as an option(but who know). Maybe they will just take a hit per console and drop it. We all hope they drop the Kinect and that would help but seems only time will tell.

#34 Posted by Blu3V3nom07 (4144 posts) -

Screws. $300 off.

#35 Edited by selfconfessedcynic (2495 posts) -

I think they'll subsidise rather than drop anything.

#36 Posted by Red12b (9074 posts) -

your thread title is hella awkward

#37 Posted by YukoAsho (2001 posts) -

Screws. $300 off.

Naw, they'd charge for a system without screws. Look at the original 360 - that thing was put together with duct tape and glue.

#38 Edited by Nictel (2380 posts) -

I would say they won't drop Kinect but after dropping the whole drm and check-in system who knows. More likely is some kind of subsidized model.

#39 Posted by ModernAlkemie (357 posts) -

They will cut out proper safety regulations and worker benefits at the facilities where the parts are manufactured.

Oh, wait...that is how they got to the original price point.

#40 Posted by mrcraggle (1819 posts) -

Replace the Bluray drive with the drive from the 360, ship games on multiple DVDs and introduce a Super saver edition with a 60 gig HDD because who plays more than one game?

#41 Edited by Hunkulese (2640 posts) -

They don't need to drop the price.

#42 Posted by thetenthdoctor (291 posts) -

It took a while, but PS3 overcame a high price to end up virtually tying the 360 this generation. How'd they do it? Games.

If MS brings the good games, a $100 difference isn't going to stop people, especially those who see a value in having voice and gesture controls with the Kinect.

#43 Posted by Crash_Happy (654 posts) -

MS won't drop a single thing. It is what it is and if they want to try and make a push then I'd have to guess (as of course I have no inside knowledge) they'd spend some of that pool of cash they've supposedly been bragging about. Buy some some old fashioned water tight exclusives and users will part with their cash.

#44 Posted by sarahsdad (1078 posts) -

@jimbo said:

What they shoulda done is make a digital only version of the console, subsidise the shit out of it so it way undercut PS4 on price, and then make it all back a bunch of times over on the much bigger cut they would be getting from each digital sale.

Seems like the sort of thing they could pretty easily do in a year or two. Give it a 1TB drive, and call it the new Arcade model.

#45 Posted by Krakn3Dfx (2484 posts) -

Any price drop would jeopardize the thousands of dollars of value that the XBO offers.

#46 Posted by GamingMichael (104 posts) -

@evilnights: The hard drive is probably the cheapest thing you can possibly get. Considering that they probably get price reductions from wholesale, they'd only be saving a small fraction of that $100.

#47 Posted by connerthekewlkid (1803 posts) -

@yukoasho said:

@blu3v3nom07 said:

Screws. $300 off.

Naw, they'd charge for a system without screws. Look at the original 360 - that thing was put together with duct tape and glue.

Last Gen we got that and a George Foreman Grill as console designs, great wasnt it?

#48 Edited by YukoAsho (2001 posts) -

@yukoasho said:

@blu3v3nom07 said:

Screws. $300 off.

Naw, they'd charge for a system without screws. Look at the original 360 - that thing was put together with duct tape and glue.

Last Gen we got that and a George Foreman Grill as console designs, great wasnt it?

Yeah, the systems weren't a highlight for the current gen. One was physically unattractive and the other fell apart if you so much as breathed on it.

#49 Edited by connerthekewlkid (1803 posts) -

@yukoasho said:

@connerthekewlkid said:

@yukoasho said:

@blu3v3nom07 said:

Screws. $300 off.

Naw, they'd charge for a system without screws. Look at the original 360 - that thing was put together with duct tape and glue.

Last Gen we got that and a George Foreman Grill as console designs, great wasnt it?

Yeah, the systems weren't a highlight for the current gen. One was physically unattractive and the other fell apart if you so much as breathed on it.

And don't forget after they made the slim which actually looked good they brought out the ugly toploader one too, which I didn't even know existed until I unknowingly traded in my fat for it.

#50 Posted by LKPOWER (154 posts) -

It doesn't matter. I think the price will stay the same for awhile. Along with the PS4. Both Microsoft and Sony are the business of making money. Both will keep their launch prices for as long as the market supports them. I also don't think its a question of taking things away to make price drops happen. It really has to do with the fact that the tech inside of both machines will eventually become cheaper to make. that's when price drops really start to happen. Lastly, the Kinect and the hard drive are a standard design spec at this point. Microsoft will not sell xbox one's without them.