From Dust, DRM and Why Ubisoft Can Only Blame Itself

#151 Posted by Naudriel (7 posts) -
@hermes: I suppose, it's because Blizzard never said that you don't HAVE to be always online. And Blizzard doesn't do buggy, dumbed down PC ports.
#152 Posted by 71Ranchero (2673 posts) -

Not a big deal. If you don't like the DRM then protest with your wallet instead of bitching like a child that didn't get his way.

#153 Posted by Branthog (7340 posts) -

With very few exceptions, PC gaming has become the red-headed step-child that gets whatever it is given and is told to shut up and enjoy it and be grateful it gets anything, at all. Frankly, I've started to be surprised when a title comes out that uses the full power of the machine and isn't just another poor port or a crippled DRM-fest.

And enough with the ignorant comments about "well then people shouldn't steal games durp durp durp".

#154 Posted by hagridore (500 posts) -

@aliengroups said:

@hagridore said:

Poor performance aside, PC gamers brought this DRM shit on themselves. You think Ubisoft has crazy DRM because they're mean? Its because most of you pirate games.

This is the reason everyone but Valve and Blizzard ditched the platform for Xbox 360. Why bother with the PC and the immature response to situations like this?

It's the stereotyping in your comment that worries me. People like you help spread the word that PC Gamers are pirates and games should be console only. I would like to remind you that currently on a daily basis more console based games (per platform) are pirated than on PC. And not everyone has "Ditched" PC, EA still has many games developed for PC and ported to consoles (BF3 and Dragon Age being 2 of them), as a matter of fact not may companies make games solely for consoles, hte PC gaming market is still to big to just ignore.

I didn't invent that stereotype. It was cultivated by the behavior of many PC gamers. Am I really to blame for shining a light? And is the PC market too big to ignore? Don't know. I prefer to ask: Is it too harsh an environment to survive? The childish reaction Ubisoft has (continued to) received makes me think they specifically should leave the PC market.

#155 Posted by TwilitEnd656 (617 posts) -

It's one thing to treat legitimate customers as if they'd already stolen your game. It's another thing to have such a GOD awful excuse of a port. But then to downright lie about how you're handling DRM? Going back to change prior information? What the hell, Ubi, were the people responsible with public relations just unavailable throughout all of this?
#156 Posted by hermes (1350 posts) -
@Thule: I was thinking more about the DRM in Diablo 3. I didn't know about the DRM in Starcraft 2 and I understand the futility of an offline WoW. 
 
@Naudriel: That is a relief. I was concerned it wasn't about fans being overly critical to Ubisoft while at the same time being extremely permissive to Blizzard... Clearly that is not the case. 
And, for the record, they said that you have to be always online to play Diablo 3.
#157 Posted by Damian (1538 posts) -

Oh, Ubisoft. You treat me pretty well as a console gamer. Why the fuck are you such a dick to my PC contemporaries? 
 
Also, isn't anyone pissed at Steam over this? They didn't manufacture the lie, sure, but they don't seem to mind profiting off it.

#158 Posted by Uberjannie (293 posts) -

Heck, 15 years ago I used to pirate games, the sole reason being that I could not afford all or any games for that matter, since I was still at school. Now I buy so many games I don't have time to play them even. I have more than 300 games in my steam library.  

 I don't even see the need for DRM since it obviously doesn't work. For fun I just checked if it worked, but turns out that From Dust is out on many, if not all the torrent sites.

#159 Posted by MrKlorox (11198 posts) -

Praise be to Steam and its infallible ways. /s

#160 Posted by try_again (15 posts) -

/long rant. skip if you want.

I was dying to play the new game from Eric Chahi. I loved Out of This World and Heart of Darkness. From the Xbox reviews the game looked great. Preorder on Steam. Did not notice the Ubi DMR "feature" as I thought, by earlier stuff I read, that this game would not have it.

Come time to play...First it made me create an online Ubi account. For a single player game. Next was the endless wait for the patching to end. Did it ask me if I want to patch the game? No. Put a file in your webpage and I’ll download it whenever I want. Or have Steam do it. It’s one of the reasons it’s there. After this, did the game start? No. More ubiplay pseudo-steam, origin like shit. Why would I need to have another interface where I have to click to play the game. And an “always on” internet connection. This is a single player game. Also, I launched it from steam for heaven’s sake. “Click to play” again.

And then the game. Nice cut scene. Go to main menu. Mouse sensitivity is way off in the main menu. Go to settings. At least they let you adjust it. Only other options are resolution and fullscreen. Right there I knew I was in shoddy port land. This is a PC not a PlayStation or Xbox. Give me my damn settings back.

Even so, let’s hope the game is worth it. First map. WASD to control camera and mouse to control the snake thingy. WTF. The mouse navigation interferes with the keyboard making this game annoying to play with these controls. I cannot have precision control with this. Also framerate sucks and stutters a bit. Shoddy port land again.

Solution for shoddy port, like in Assassin's Creed (another Ubi title...I should be wiser now) I pick up my PC controller and go to the settings menu. At least they let me select the controller but I can’t redefine the buttons. The image that appears is of a PlayStation 3 controller. WTF. Shoddy port land again. Ok now the game is playable and I can start to enjoy it. Controller plugged in and the button tooltips are for the Xbox controller. My controller dos not have an A,B or X button but at least the controls are OK. Near perfect I would say. But you know, PC is keyboard and mouse. You should not have to buy a controller to play a PC game. Shoddy port land again.

Eric Chahi deserved better from Ubisoft. I bought this to support his work. All this crud and annoying little things really take away from the experience of playing the game. A really nice game by the way. I Will not ask for my money back. But Ubi will have to do better if they want my money next time around. I’m a paying costumer and have been buying Ubisoft titles for a long time now. From the Rayman stuff on Playstation to Assassins Creed and all the Prince of Persia games I loved.

Just let me click “Play” on Steam and play the game I bought. Make a good PC port of the game. Take your time. I would prefer that you release it a year later than in this state. That is all I ask.

#161 Posted by MideonNViscera (2257 posts) -
@Skanker said:
I'm surprised people on Reddit were able to find the time to complain about From Dust in between all their karma-whoring posts.   "Look what I just found in the attic/basement""Anybody else remember this game that everybody played?""Look what I/my significant other/my child just made!"  Holy moly what a terrible place.
hahahaha Glad I've never been there. Sounds like Facebook.
#162 Posted by endless_void (706 posts) -

Fantastic article and extremely true.

#163 Posted by Nomin (964 posts) -

This news article should have been a lot more clearer, just as it lambastes Ubi for its supposed lies and misrepresentation, but also mentions that Ubi could technically implement the DRM as it is now and would not be wavering from its original statement.
 
And I don't like having the one sentence editorial polluting what should be a straightforward NEWS story. Please stop meandering and get to the point. 

#164 Posted by TadThuggish (900 posts) -

@hagridore said:

@aliengroups said:

@hagridore said:

Poor performance aside, PC gamers brought this DRM shit on themselves. You think Ubisoft has crazy DRM because they're mean? Its because most of you pirate games.

This is the reason everyone but Valve and Blizzard ditched the platform for Xbox 360. Why bother with the PC and the immature response to situations like this?

It's the stereotyping in your comment that worries me. People like you help spread the word that PC Gamers are pirates and games should be console only. I would like to remind you that currently on a daily basis more console based games (per platform) are pirated than on PC. And not everyone has "Ditched" PC, EA still has many games developed for PC and ported to consoles (BF3 and Dragon Age being 2 of them), as a matter of fact not may companies make games solely for consoles, hte PC gaming market is still to big to just ignore.

I didn't invent that stereotype. It was cultivated by the behavior of many PC gamers. Am I really to blame for shining a light? And is the PC market too big to ignore? Don't know. I prefer to ask: Is it too harsh an environment to survive? The childish reaction Ubisoft has (continued to) received makes me think they specifically should leave the PC market.

CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES

THIS IS MY LAST RESORT

#165 Posted by hagridore (500 posts) -

@TadThuggish said:

@hagridore said:

@aliengroups said:

@hagridore said:

Poor performance aside, PC gamers brought this DRM shit on themselves. You think Ubisoft has crazy DRM because they're mean? Its because most of you pirate games.

This is the reason everyone but Valve and Blizzard ditched the platform for Xbox 360. Why bother with the PC and the immature response to situations like this?

It's the stereotyping in your comment that worries me. People like you help spread the word that PC Gamers are pirates and games should be console only. I would like to remind you that currently on a daily basis more console based games (per platform) are pirated than on PC. And not everyone has "Ditched" PC, EA still has many games developed for PC and ported to consoles (BF3 and Dragon Age being 2 of them), as a matter of fact not may companies make games solely for consoles, hte PC gaming market is still to big to just ignore.

I didn't invent that stereotype. It was cultivated by the behavior of many PC gamers. Am I really to blame for shining a light? And is the PC market too big to ignore? Don't know. I prefer to ask: Is it too harsh an environment to survive? The childish reaction Ubisoft has (continued to) received makes me think they specifically should leave the PC market.

CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES

THIS IS MY LAST RESORT

IT ALL STARTED WHEN I LOST MY MOTHER

#166 Edited by NoookNookNook (12 posts) -

For Shame Ubisoft! This DRM scandal is sure to turn off a lot of people from even trying it and it's a genre that really needs more exposure.   Hopefully it won't hamper development of the series :(  Really liked it for 360 was and was hoping it'd be more then just a straight port for PC but that is the way things go these days. 

#167 Posted by darkdragonmage99 (740 posts) -
@hermes:  Well that's simple look at what you get for being online  you get player states friend lists and so on. Now look what you get for being online because of the DRM you get to play your single player game that you bought and paid for.  
 
blizzard and valve give you stuff for having you be online  ubisoft simply wants to make sure you didn't steal the game. It's the hole guilty until proven innocent thing that pisses me off and many others.  The sad fact is this DRM doesn't even work there is already a cracked version out there. 
#168 Posted by Brodehouse (9519 posts) -

PC gamers are upset about something? Get right outta town.

#169 Posted by Colonel_Fury (453 posts) -
@Brodehouse

PC gamers are upset about something? Get right outta town.

I know, right??
#170 Posted by AssInAss (2528 posts) -

Thanks Ubisoft, you're now making Eric Chahi cry!

#171 Posted by Skronk61 (114 posts) -
@Doogie2K
@Skronk61 said:
Who isn't connected to the Internet when their computer is on?
Some people can't get broadband where they live. Shocking, I know.
PC gamers without broadband connections, now that's shocking
#172 Posted by Peanut (953 posts) -
@Brodehouse said:

Gamers are upset about something? Get right outta town.

Fixed that for you. The games community is a fucking cesspool. 
#173 Posted by insane_shadowblade85 (1380 posts) -

Ass nugget? Why did that make me smile? My god, I am a child.
#174 Posted by wookie912 (23 posts) -

unfortunately this is starting to become the norm with internet required connections for pc games.  believe it or not, people dont always have a 24/7 internet connection, especially when travelling with their laptops.  Poor pc  ports from console games are ruining the platform as well.  its a shame that publishers and developers seem to be abandoning the PC altogether.  but hey, consoles are where the money is right?  now if it werent for the piss poor mouse controls and the hack job of a fps limit they put on this game i would have gladly bought it, even though i would crack the shit out of it afterwards so that i can play offline.. who gives a damn about your stupid online leaderboards.  and F- your assenine DRM.
#175 Posted by m0rdr3d (474 posts) -

In most other business customer service is priority number one.  I don't pirate games yet I'm treated crudely due to the crimes of others...Definitely not like a valued customer.  In the future, maybe I should "pirate" cracked copies of games with DRM like this and just donate money on the developer's website, or something to that effect.  Definitely not paying for DRM like this anymore. I'll do a little research before my purchases.

#176 Posted by Vodun (2370 posts) -

I really don't see the major suffering this game is obviously causing so many people.

Unless anyone had pointed out that the fps was capped at 30 I wouldn't have noticed, movies are capped at 24 yet no one ever complains about that.

As for the graphics options...come on, wtf? Do you just want to go in to make sure everything is at max? Who actually tweaks and balances graphics settings any more?

The mouse control feels different for sure, but since you're not moving a cursor, you're moving "the breath", an actual entity in the world, I don't see how it could have been done any other way. I doubt it's a shitty translation of the analogue stick, it feels like it should to me.

The whole DRM thing I have no thoughts on, other than StarForce I've never been bothered by it.

#177 Posted by Krakn3Dfx (2484 posts) -

No reason to pile additional DRM onto a game that's sitting in your Steam account. On the plus side, this is a good reason not to add this game to my ever rising pile of titles that I still haven't gotten around to.

Also, when Capcom pulled this shit with Bionic Commando Rearmed on the PS3, then PSN went down, making the game unplayable, people were pretty pissed, so it's not just PC gamers who get irate when publishers go out of their way to fuck paying customers.

#178 Posted by dillinger (178 posts) -

While I agree this kind of DRM is stupid.  This is such a huge overreaction it's not even funny.  Stop fucking whining.

#179 Posted by outerabiz (646 posts) -
@hagridore said:

@TadThuggish said:

@hagridore said:

@aliengroups said:

@hagridore said:

Poor performance aside, PC gamers brought this DRM shit on themselves. You think Ubisoft has crazy DRM because they're mean? Its because most of you pirate games.

This is the reason everyone but Valve and Blizzard ditched the platform for Xbox 360. Why bother with the PC and the immature response to situations like this?

It's the stereotyping in your comment that worries me. People like you help spread the word that PC Gamers are pirates and games should be console only. I would like to remind you that currently on a daily basis more console based games (per platform) are pirated than on PC. And not everyone has "Ditched" PC, EA still has many games developed for PC and ported to consoles (BF3 and Dragon Age being 2 of them), as a matter of fact not may companies make games solely for consoles, hte PC gaming market is still to big to just ignore.

I didn't invent that stereotype. It was cultivated by the behavior of many PC gamers. Am I really to blame for shining a light? And is the PC market too big to ignore? Don't know. I prefer to ask: Is it too harsh an environment to survive? The childish reaction Ubisoft has (continued to) received makes me think they specifically should leave the PC market.

CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES

THIS IS MY LAST RESORT

IT ALL STARTED WHEN I LOST MY MOTHER

"The childish reaction Ubisoft has (continued to) received makes me think they specifically should leave the PC market."
I wish they would. Their PC ports suck anyway, i had to wait for 6 months before they patched splinter cell conviction to a state where the multiplayer actually worked and by that time nobody, including me had any interest in the game.
Also their DRM is the slowest and worst of them all ( that or GFWL). I don't usually mind DRM i mean steam is basically just that, same with the blizzards launcher or any mmo launcher. 
If Ubisoft decided not to make any more PC ports i would say good riddance, their games are sub-par on the pc anyway. 
If you can't do it right, don't do it at all / fuck off from my steam sales page.
#180 Posted by Protome (346 posts) -
@dillinger said:
While I agree this kind of DRM is stupid.  This is such a huge overreaction it's not even funny.  Stop fucking whining.
It isn't remotely an overreaction. Needing to be connected to the internet every time you boot up the game is just insane, and making a fuss about it, complaining, asking for refunds or simply not buying the game at all is the only way Ubisoft will ever learn not to attack consumers like this. 
Because that's what this is, an attack on consumers. This DRM does nothing for piracy (A crack was up the day before the game came out), all it does is hurt legitimate consumers. 
There's also the fact they flat up LIED about it this time, up until the game came out, From Dust's website said the PC version's DRM would only require an online connection once to activate it, then they changed it after people noticed that this was a lie.  
 
Quite simply, if Publishers want our money, they shouldn't treat innocent people like pirates, while allowing people who do pirate to have better versions of a game. 
Ubisoft's DRM does nothing but encourage piracy, and it's horrible.
#181 Edited by Dry_Carton (76 posts) -

This type of behavior by Ubisoft is disrespectful to the developers of the game and to the evolution of the game's genre.

#182 Posted by TheChaos (1158 posts) -
This will never stop being relevant. 
#183 Posted by Scratch (628 posts) -

I thought this was supposed to be released through steam? Then why does Ubisoft require third party DRM on top of what steam already does?

#184 Posted by Atary77 (500 posts) -

When will publishers stop treating all their customers like criminals!

#185 Posted by tourgen (4426 posts) -

Ubisoft is in the business of training their ex-customers to pirate their games.

#186 Posted by Vash108 (153 posts) -

This is why I have not personally purchased any Ubisoft games in sometime.

#187 Posted by blackfire83 (43 posts) -

I wanted From Dust when I saw it announced as part of the "Summer of Arcade". I then read the reviews and concluded what many people did, 'Cool, that sounds like it'll be better on PC. I'll go ahead and wait.' Now this... I'm certain that I will no longer be purchasing From Dust on any platform. I do feel for the developer though, who will suffer needlessly for Ubi's decision, and a poor port.
#188 Posted by Zithe (1045 posts) -

I wish I could find this surprising. What's that? Another developer released a shitty PC port of their game that uses the mouse to try and emulate analog stick movement? Shocking. Fuck developers who do this. If they don't have the time or budget to make their game work on the PC, they shouldn't release it for PC. All they're doing is taking advantage of customers for some extra cash.

#189 Posted by KillyDarko (1888 posts) -
@TheChaos said:
This will never stop being relevant. 
Yep, pretty much this...
#190 Posted by TheDudeOfGaming (6078 posts) -
@phrosnite said:
Ubisoft will never learn. Just f-ing stop making PC versions of the games! Just stop! I don't want your half-assed ports!
Meh, as a PC gamer with every passing day i feel more and more like a dude walking through the desert who hasn't had anything to drink in the past 2.5 days. I'll drink piss if i have to and feel happy that i had something to drink...figuratively speaking of course. I remember playing the choppy Saints Row 2 port, it was awful, but i was happy that it was released for PC. 
As for the DRM bitching, i don't think it's about the DRM itself, but rather the lying part. Do whatever you want with it Ubisoft, it's your game, but be honest about it dude. I myself have a shitty provider, and sometimes the connection isn't all there, so what the fuck would i do if i bought From Dust?
#191 Posted by shadystx (182 posts) -

I can understand a company wanting to protect their product from piracy. 
For all of us in here an online activation should not be a problem if that activation service is throughly tested and will not cause gamers unexpected downtimes, I can understand the anger as they lied so thats justifiable. 
 
I personally think all pc devs/pubs should forget about DRM untill they can make a drm that actually works and allows their legit players to play without hassle and pirates unable to play, at the moment thats not the case these drm seem to effect legit consumers more than pirates, and cracks are out mainly on the day the game hits the torrent sites and sometimes before so it seems pointless at present to implement DRM. 
 
This type of drm probably makes more legit players pirate then it does make pirates pay for the game.

#192 Posted by Kombat (2205 posts) -

I have never had a problem with DRM requiring internet connections. Anyone playing these games is most likely connected to the internet 95% of the time, and the majority of those bitching about the situation are the ones who probably want to plug into uTorrent and install the game with no kinds of problem.

#193 Posted by TwilitEnd656 (617 posts) -

It makes me sad to see a number of people missing that Ubisoft had essentially LIED (and attempted to HIDE that fact, rather than own up to it) about how From Dust's DRM would be implemented.

#194 Edited by Protome (346 posts) -
@Kombat said:

I have never had a problem with DRM requiring internet connections. Anyone playing these games is most likely connected to the internet 95% of the time, and the majority of those bitching about the situation are the ones who probably want to plug into uTorrent and install the game with no kinds of problem.

Thing is, the people plugging into uTorrent CAN install the game with no kinds of problem. 
It's the people who buy it legitimately that are harmed by this, how is that hard to understand? 
Yes, sure, lets go by your made up percentage of gamers being connected to the internet 95% of the time. That 5% of the time, they can't play the game. 
People who pirate the game however, can play it 100% of the time. 
Even though your percentage was pulled out of thin air, and completely wrong, it still goes to prove that the pirated experience is better. 
And quite simply, if the pirated experience is better than the legit experience, the DRM isn't working.
#195 Edited by Smersh (228 posts) -
Buddy

Was buying, now not. Real shame, real pain.

Buddy not happy.

#196 Edited by FMinus (389 posts) -
@Protome said:

@Kombat said:

I have never had a problem with DRM requiring internet connections. Anyone playing these games is most likely connected to the internet 95% of the time, and the majority of those bitching about the situation are the ones who probably want to plug into uTorrent and install the game with no kinds of problem.

Thing is, the people plugging into uTorrent CAN install the game with no kinds of problem. It's the people who buy it legitimately that are harmed by this, how is that hard to understand? Yes, sure, lets go by your made up percentage of gamers being connected to the internet 95% of the time. That 5% of the time, they can't play the game. People who pirate the game however, can play it 100% of the time. Even though your percentage was pulled out of thin air, and completely wrong, it still goes to prove that the pirated experience is better. And quite simply, if the pirated experience is better than the legit experience, the DRM isn't working.

The pirated version still requires you to be online cause it's launching through the Ubisoft launcher (which checks for version/patches), all it does is circumvent the CD-KEY, sending false information of authenticity to the server.  
 
Really, there is so much drama over nothing. Always online is fine most of the time, if your net dies often, switch to a better provider which is stable. It's not the end of the world if you cant play a game for some time. 
#197 Posted by Capum15 (4790 posts) -
@TheChaos said:
This will never stop being relevant. 
While that's great, I never get why people rag on Steam. You can play games offline, you know. If it can't connect to the servers (though you need to wait a minute or so), it gives the option to open Steam in Offline mode, and then you can play.
#198 Posted by thunderbear (9 posts) -

What about laptop gaming? What about some countries outside of the US that doesn't have the same stability/availability of the internet? What if I can't afford my internet bill for a month and get shut off, I am not supposed to be able to play my games that I bought months/years earlier?
 
From Dust was cracked in a few days and is easily downloadable. So I don't understand how they can say it was a success. And I AM a developer. I'd be upset if this kind of DRM was placed on a game I worked on.

#199 Posted by timlump (152 posts) -

I actively have been boycotting Ubisoft since they beginning of this whole DRM affair on all platforms. PC,XBOX etc. 
I urge all of you to not play any of their games and ESPECIALLY don't pirate them, just ignore them. If you pirate then they will feel justified but if their game just gets no sales and no illegitimate attention then they will begin to hurt. Vote with your wallets, show them that you don't want anything to do with them.

#200 Posted by 234r2we232 (3181 posts) -

Didn't PC gamers eff themselves over by pirating all those games in the first place? Seeing these people trying to act sanctimonious is just sad.

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