Gabe Newells new Idea?

#1 Posted by Ferginator4k (737 posts) -

So I'm an Australian Gamer and i watch a show called Good Game, and the other night they had an exclusive interview with Gabe Newell in which he talked about his new idea for Steam Involving Community Funding.
The Interview and Show can be watched here-http://www.abc.net.au/tv/goodgame/

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#2 Posted by SL33TBL1ND (522 posts) -

I would happily contribute money to Valve for a product. It would make me feel fuzzy inside with the knowledge that I'm helping bring joy to gamers everywhere.

#3 Posted by PureRok (4235 posts) -

As far as I'm concerned, buying their products is funding their next game.

#4 Posted by Keyser_Soze (1186 posts) -

Awww, out of Pizza money are we Gabe.

#5 Posted by Karmum (11519 posts) -

If I'm funding their game, I better get the game for free, no?

#6 Posted by Scooper (7882 posts) -
@PureRok said:
" As far as I'm concerned, buying their products is funding their next game. "
Exactaly.
#7 Posted by phlegms (1607 posts) -

Gabe Newell is just looking for money to fuel his sordid and raunchy "research" trips to Vietnam.

And also money for pizza..

#8 Posted by Callik (138 posts) -
@PureRok said:
" As far as I'm concerned, buying their products is funding their next game. "
This.
#9 Posted by cspiffo (868 posts) -

This just in.  Gabe newll invents the stock market.  Film at eleven.

Seriously though.  If I were investing in a game, I'd want to know what I'd be getting for my investment.  Is is just the game? A portion of the profit?  A vote in how the company is run?  What on earth would I be getting for my money.

#10 Posted by Ferginator4k (737 posts) -

I find the idea intriging and would perhaps be intrested depending on the price.

#11 Posted by RsistncE (4496 posts) -

Maybe he should think about, you know, making Valve a public company traded on the stock exchange? Sometimes I seriously wonder how some of these people honestly have enough brains to create all these awesome games.

#12 Posted by SL33TBL1ND (522 posts) -
@cspiffo said:
" This just in.  Gabe newll invents the stock market.  Film at eleven. Seriously though.  If I were investing in a game, I'd want to know what I'd be getting for my investment.  Is is just the game? A portion of the profit?  A vote in how the company is run?  What on earth would I be getting for my money. "
You get a percentage of profits, I think that's what he said during the GoodGame interview. But why all the hate to this idea? Funding them this money will make the games better as it gives them less constraints money wise. So you get money back for your investment and a better game than if nobody invested.
#13 Posted by cspiffo (868 posts) -
@SL33TBL1ND said:
" @cspiffo said:
" This just in.  Gabe newll invents the stock market.  Film at eleven. Seriously though.  If I were investing in a game, I'd want to know what I'd be getting for my investment.  Is is just the game? A portion of the profit?  A vote in how the company is run?  What on earth would I be getting for my money. "
You get a percentage of profits, I think that's what he said during the GoodGame interview. But why all the hate to this idea? Funding them this money will make the games better as it gives them less constraints money wise. So you get money back for your investment and a better game than if nobody invested. "
Oh, I'm not hating.  I just want to know more about it.  more skeptically curious than hateful.
#14 Posted by EvilTwin (3324 posts) -
@RsistncE said:
" Maybe he should think about, you know, making Valve a public company traded on the stock exchange?"
So they can answer to stockholders?  I think that's a much worse idea.  Besides, if you watch the interview (not trying to be condescending I just don't know if you did or not) it didn't seem like he was talking about Valve specifically, but building the tools for developers in general to be able to do this over Steam. 
#15 Posted by CowMuffins (1760 posts) -

A game called Interstellar Marines already uses this method. You can contribute $40 and get all three games in the series or $25 and get the first game in the series (if they ever come out). You also get beta access and a little icon next to your name on the forums saying that you helped the cause.

#16 Edited by SL33TBL1ND (522 posts) -
@cspiffo said:
" @SL33TBL1ND said:
" @cspiffo said:
" This just in.  Gabe newll invents the stock market.  Film at eleven. Seriously though.  If I were investing in a game, I'd want to know what I'd be getting for my investment.  Is is just the game? A portion of the profit?  A vote in how the company is run?  What on earth would I be getting for my money. "
You get a percentage of profits, I think that's what he said during the GoodGame interview. But why all the hate to this idea? Funding them this money will make the games better as it gives them less constraints money wise. So you get money back for your investment and a better game than if nobody invested. "
Oh, I'm not hating.  I just want to know more about it.  more skeptically curious than hateful. "
I wasn't just talking about you. But I guess it is a good idea to be sceptical.

@CowMuffins said:
" A game called Interstellar Marines already uses this method. You can contribute $40 and get all three games in the series or $25 and get the first game in the series (if they ever come out). You also get beta access and a little icon next to your name on the forums saying that you helped the cause. "
That is kind of different as you're more or less donating/pre-ordering the game. What Gabe is suggesting is that we invest and get a return from our investment. This does not necessarily mean you are buying the game.
#17 Posted by CowMuffins (1760 posts) -
@SL33TBL1ND said:
" @cspiffo said:
" @SL33TBL1ND said:
" @cspiffo said:
" This just in.  Gabe newll invents the stock market.  Film at eleven. Seriously though.  If I were investing in a game, I'd want to know what I'd be getting for my investment.  Is is just the game? A portion of the profit?  A vote in how the company is run?  What on earth would I be getting for my money. "
You get a percentage of profits, I think that's what he said during the GoodGame interview. But why all the hate to this idea? Funding them this money will make the games better as it gives them less constraints money wise. So you get money back for your investment and a better game than if nobody invested. "
Oh, I'm not hating.  I just want to know more about it.  more skeptically curious than hateful. "
I wasn't just talking about you. But I guess it is a good idea to be sceptical.

@CowMuffins said:
" A game called Interstellar Marines already uses this method. You can contribute $40 and get all three games in the series or $25 and get the first game in the series (if they ever come out). You also get beta access and a little icon next to your name on the forums saying that you helped the cause. "
This is kind of different as you're more or less donating/pre-ordering the game. What Gabe is suggesting is that we invest and get a return from our investment. This does not necessarily mean you are buying the game. "
No, it's what Gabe is talking about. You get a free copy of the game when it comes out, if you invest in it by donating.
#18 Posted by AndrewB (7592 posts) -

I'm not sure I completely understand this whole business still... but doesn't this just mean that the danger in developing a game and possibly not seeing a monetary return if it can't turn a profit is just passed on to anyone else who might be buying into the game? It seems literally like a miniature stock market, and this stock market would have the very same pitfalls. Would I feel safe giving a developer money when I have no idea if the game is going to be good, or if it is going to sell? What if no one else contributes, and they can't make the game? What if something happens during development and the game never comes out? Think of a Duke Nukem Forever scenario. There seems to be too many "if"s and way too much blind trust involved, and those are the recipes for being ripped off.

#19 Edited by Diamond (8634 posts) -

Only way this would be a valid business model is if they give you a portion of the games profits as any investment, and they give you some choice in what game is actually made, and other design decisions (a poll for invested gamers?)

Otherwise it's absolute milking BS.  We already pay for the games, we shouldn't pay for investing in games that might be crap or never even come out.

edit - If the game doesn't come out, I should be able to sue Valve for all the money I invested.

#20 Edited by SL33TBL1ND (522 posts) -
@CowMuffins said:
" @SL33TBL1ND said:
" @cspiffo said:
" @SL33TBL1ND said:
" @cspiffo said:
" This just in.  Gabe newll invents the stock market.  Film at eleven. Seriously though.  If I were investing in a game, I'd want to know what I'd be getting for my investment.  Is is just the game? A portion of the profit?  A vote in how the company is run?  What on earth would I be getting for my money. "
You get a percentage of profits, I think that's what he said during the GoodGame interview. But why all the hate to this idea? Funding them this money will make the games better as it gives them less constraints money wise. So you get money back for your investment and a better game than if nobody invested. "
Oh, I'm not hating.  I just want to know more about it.  more skeptically curious than hateful. "
I wasn't just talking about you. But I guess it is a good idea to be sceptical.

@CowMuffins said:
" A game called Interstellar Marines already uses this method. You can contribute $40 and get all three games in the series or $25 and get the first game in the series (if they ever come out). You also get beta access and a little icon next to your name on the forums saying that you helped the cause. "
This is kind of different as you're more or less donating/pre-ordering the game. What Gabe is suggesting is that we invest and get a return from our investment. This does not necessarily mean you are buying the game. "
No, it's what Gabe is talking about. You get a free copy of the game when it comes out, if you invest in it by donating. "
That's not what he said. He didn't mention anything about free copies of games. He said it would be like "Hey I'm interested in this game so I'll give you $30 to get it moving forward". And I'm pretty sure he mentioned returns in the interview as well.
#21 Posted by Alex_Murphy (1184 posts) -

Invest - to put (money) to use, by purchase or expenditure, in something offering potential profitable returns, as interest, income, or appreciation in value.

I buy all their games, so I don't know what more support they can really expect from me. If people really wanted to invest in Valve, couldn't they just go buy Valve stock (is it publicly traded, or is Valve a private company?) instead of just giving them money?

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