Why all the hate?

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#1 Posted by Zidd (1851 posts) -

Why do some PC gamers hate this service? I think bringing Windows and Xbox closer together makes both platforms stronger. 1 ID that can be used on multiple platforms with cross-platform chat, friends list and achievements. I know some people have a strong dislike for achievements but I think this is the best solution for achievements on the PC. I think PC gamers are just hating on it because its "consolizing" the PC.

#2 Posted by DizzyMedal (400 posts) -

Personally not a fan because it attempts to ruin my second playthrough. 
 
2nd playthrough of a pc game usually entails godmode and rocket launcher.

#3 Posted by Zidd (1851 posts) -

Cheat Codes have been in a steady decline for years due to online play and achievements.

#4 Posted by DizzyMedal (400 posts) -
@Zidd:
Yes, but not trainers.
#5 Posted by FunExplosions (5407 posts) -

Any game that has it, whenever I accidentally hit Caps Lock, the game minimizes then pops back up in windowed-form. Which, in turn, makes all my clicks off-center and I usually can't change the game back to full screen unless I go to the main menu. A huge pain for games like Red Faction: Guerrilla, where the only way you can save your progress is by going to a save point, after you fail or complete any mission you may be on. I had to buy a keyboard and pop the caps lock button off just to play these games.
 
That's not the reason everyone else hates games for windows live, though. I don't really care for it one way or another. If anything, it's just a bunch of screen clutter that I have to turn off, and would rather not have popping up in my face all the time.

#6 Posted by Zidd (1851 posts) -
@FunExplosions: I just have Caps Lock rebound to CTRL because caps lock is for morons.
#7 Posted by FunExplosions (5407 posts) -
@Zidd: Actually, I tried re-binding it. Games for Windows like apparently just has some crazy hate for the Caps Lock button. Which is understandable, of course. It's a fucking useless button.
#8 Posted by Zidd (1851 posts) -

The only game I've had GFWL troubles with was Fallout 3. But that was remedied easily by manually downloading the patch. 

#9 Posted by Demyx (3237 posts) -

I only have Arkham Asylum on Games for Windows, no problems really.

#10 Posted by Ryax (4630 posts) -
@Demyx said:
" I only have Arkham Asylum on Games for Windows, no problems really. "
GFWL fucked my arkham asylum up. for soe reason when i start that game GFWL doesnt load up so i cant save. and when i quit playing and want to play i start all over. ive seen the credits about 20 times now.  
 
 
fuck GFWL
#11 Posted by Zidd (1851 posts) -
@Ryax: did you try updating GFWL?
#12 Posted by Sparky_Buzzsaw (6311 posts) -

I don't hate it, but I do feel like it's a program in its infancy.  Up until E3, I wasn't even entirely sure Microsoft's heart was in it, but we'll see with the recent news of their supposed push for PC's.  In order to draw my business away from Steam, though, they've gotta become competitive both in price and in quantity of major games.

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#13 Posted by Ryax (4630 posts) -
@Zidd: ive done everything. re installed games. re installed GFWL updated. nothing works. so i gave up
#14 Posted by Zidd (1851 posts) -
@Sparky_Buzzsaw: I'm talking more about GFWL support in games rather than the distribution method.
#15 Posted by adoggz (2070 posts) -

Are you kidding? GFWL is awesome! It lets me get achievements for playing some PC games, actual achievements at that not the steam crap.

#16 Posted by Origina1Penguin (3501 posts) -

I'd buy more PC games if they were GFWL. The only one I own is Fallout 3. I never had any trouble with it.

#17 Edited by Zidd (1851 posts) -
@Origina1Penguin: New vegas isnt gonna have it I don't think. Its gonna have Steamworks.
#18 Posted by kishan6 (1914 posts) -
@FunExplosions: ya just press alt-enter if u want something fullscreen
#19 Posted by Raakill (870 posts) -

Don't really hate the service. Hate the fact that M$ seems to treat it like a stepchild. If they'd pay attention and blatantly copy Steam It'd be a whole lot better.

#20 Posted by rjayb89 (7726 posts) -

If they had XBLA titles like Shadow Complex and the like, well then brother.

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#21 Posted by Zidd (1851 posts) -
@rjayb89: I don't think Shadow Complex would play well on the PC.
#22 Posted by ThatFrood (3377 posts) -
@adoggz said:
" Are you kidding? GFWL is awesome! It lets me get achievements for playing some PC games, actual achievements at that not the steam crap. "
What do you mean " actual" achievements? Already it's kind of ridiculous that achievements should be so important to a person... but now there are "real" and "fake" ones? What makes an achievement "actual"?
#23 Posted by Zidd (1851 posts) -
@ThatFrood: I think hes referring to achievements that raise your overall gamerscore instead of steam achievements which aren't really combined into any kind of total anywhere besides on this very site.
#24 Posted by adoggz (2070 posts) -
@Zidd said:
" @ThatFrood: I think hes referring to achievements that raise your overall gamerscore instead of steam achievements which aren't really combined into any kind of total anywhere besides on this very site. "
this, steam achievements and psn trophies don't mean crap because they don't give points.
#25 Posted by Zidd (1851 posts) -
@adoggz: They do combine into a total though. Thats what the "level" is all about.
#26 Edited by Raakill (870 posts) -
@rjayb89 said:

" If they had XBLA titles like Shadow Complex and the like, well then brother. "

This too. XBLA games are the only reason I'd ever buy an XBOX360 (again).
#27 Posted by OwnlyUzinWonHan (1481 posts) -
@Zidd:  Well Geometry Wars is on Steam, so Shadow Complex isn't all that hard to fathom on the PC
#28 Posted by Zidd (1851 posts) -
@OwnlyUzinWonHan: They would have to make the controls completely different on the PC. Aiming on the PC wouldn't be great at all. It works for Trine because its a slower paced game.
#29 Posted by OwnlyUzinWonHan (1481 posts) -
@Zidd:  Most people that I know that play 2D games have 360 controllers though, so it's not really that big of a problem. You could always slap a giant "Controller recommended" sticker on the box or download page too.
#30 Posted by Zidd (1851 posts) -
@OwnlyUzinWonHan: Most of the PC crowd hate controllers. The mouse and keyboard controls would need to be good as well
#31 Posted by MattyFTM (14417 posts) -

My only real issue with GFWL is that it doesn't like my Xbox gamertag. I have to have a second gamertag for GFWL because whenever I try to login to my usual one it freezes while retrieving it, and then eventually comes up with an error message.

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#32 Posted by Turkfinn (84 posts) -

My only issue with GFWL is with games that use it for matchmaking.  When Dawn of War II came out, the matchmaking was pretty awful and took forever at times to match you up with someone to play.  I do like the fact that I can get achievements that are tied to my XBL score, as well as talk to my buddies who are on their xbox's.  Now, they need to let us party chat it up with xbl guys.

#33 Posted by newhaap (425 posts) -

I personally don't like the general idea that you have to sign in to an online service to play a single player game that you've purchased. More specific to Games for Windows Live though, I don't like that you can't seem to apply DLCs to your offline profile, and you can't transfer saves between online and offline profiles (unless I'm missing something?)

#34 Edited by Zidd (1851 posts) -
@Turkfinn:    Yeah there is a serious lack of party chat in GFWL.
 
@MattyFTM: Thats strange. Did you try updating GFWL and try to sign in on the GFWL client?
#35 Posted by Zidd (1851 posts) -
@newhaap: I don't see why 2 profiles are needed for GFWL games.
#36 Posted by newhaap (425 posts) -
@Zidd:  Initially, because of my staunch refusal to login to play a single player game :) I've been just playing games using my offline profile. But now that I realize that DLCs don't apply to your offline profile, I have indeed been using my online profile.
#37 Posted by OwnlyUzinWonHan (1481 posts) -
@Zidd: I don't know man, Street Fighter IV was one of the most pirated PC games last year, and I can't imagine playing that on a keyboard.
#38 Posted by Zidd (1851 posts) -
@OwnlyUzinWonHan: Every fightstick made by mad catz works on a PC. Buy the stick because you can't pirate it and pirate the game.
#39 Posted by OwnlyUzinWonHan (1481 posts) -
@Zidd: I did, but you're saying people hate controllers, but are willing to shell out $100+ for a more niche product?
#40 Posted by Zidd (1851 posts) -
@OwnlyUzinWonHan: They may have already owned them or something similar. I bet many fighting game enthusiasts use MAME for arcade games with no console ports.
#41 Posted by CaptainFish (454 posts) -

People have been playing games with controllers on pcs for years. The problem is, now games don't support the gamut of different controllers out there. The amount of games with just Xbox controller support and xbox button mapping is stupid when I'm playing a game on an open pc platform.

#42 Posted by jkz (4042 posts) -

The only thing I like about GFWL is achievements. 
 
And if more games could be played in cross-platform multiplayer, then that would definitely make it a much more worthwhile service.

#43 Posted by Afroman269 (7387 posts) -

cus it's Microsoft and it's fun to hate the man. ARGH FUK U M$ RAAAWWWR!!!

#44 Posted by arab_prince (2053 posts) -

I don't hate it. Its catalogue is tiny though. There is nothing there that interests me. If there was, I doubt it could compete with Steam's prices. So no hate, just no love.

#45 Posted by OwnlyUzinWonHan (1481 posts) -
@Zidd:  I wouldn't really say many, but I see your point. Still though, the idea of hating controllers is completely ridiculous.
#46 Posted by Zidd (1851 posts) -
@CaptainFish:  I'd say that more games support controllers now then there ever were. The fact that there is a standard (360) controller layout now will only help.
#47 Posted by Hero_Swe (1175 posts) -

I'm probrably the only one that doesn't hate it.
#48 Posted by Sparky_Buzzsaw (6311 posts) -
@Zidd said:
" @Sparky_Buzzsaw: I'm talking more about GFWL support in games rather than the distribution method. "

Ohhh, gotcha.  Sorry about that.  Have yet to really try it out, so now I'm just going to... uhhhh.... wash the car, or something.  Good talk!
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#49 Posted by CaptainFish (454 posts) -
@Zidd:

More now than when? Most PC games have supported controller use forever, even in genres where it wouldn't make much sense, they also created a market for genre specific controllers. That's why there used to be such a huge flightstick/joystick, steering wheel and gamepad market for PCs. Flight sticks and wheels no longer have the number of competing devices they used to have in the past. More games now support just the xbox 360 controller. I've played several games, Batman Arkham Asylum for example, in recent years that flat out refused to accept my controller as an input device, simply because it isn't a xinput driver controller. Even compatible xinput controllers have issues. It's common to see discussion and work arounds for controllers in new games on a steam forum page. 

Showing me a 360 controller layout as a guide to how I should map a game out is fine, but having those buttons pop up as how I should proceed in menus is dumb. Indigo Prophecy is the last game I can think of that actually made all the button prompts change to the numbering your pad uses in the controller dialogue.

Also, there's no reason they couldn't release a PC version of shadow complex. It would have controller support obviously, but the mouse and keyboard play would function a lot like Trine. That kind of platforming has been done on the PC since Abuse.

#50 Posted by AhmadMetallic (18954 posts) -
@Ryax said:
" @Demyx said:
" I only have Arkham Asylum on Games for Windows, no problems really. "
GFWL fucked my arkham asylum up. for soe reason when i start that game GFWL doesnt load up so i cant save. and when i quit playing and want to play i start all over. ive seen the credits about 20 times now.    fuck GFWL "
wow... ouch... that actually hurt to read... wow someone needs a fucking hug !  
 
*hug*

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