Two piece, chainsaw,smoke grenade.....all terribly implemented in the online component of GoW 2. There better be a fucking patch... I understand they wanted to make the game more than just shotgun fights but jesus. Firing from the hip with the shotgun is next to useless and for some reason EPIC decided to take out stuns from gunfire so any jerkoff with a Lancer can hold b and chainsaw you without consequence making close range fighting a piss poor aspect of the game(stuns may occur randomly but will only stun you for around .5 seconds). On top of that they use the truskill ranking system which grades performance on a bell curve. Example... Tonysuckballs with a kill/death of 1.0 or lower can have a high rank just because he plays with people who win alot ; basically equivalent to being powerleveled in a mmo. Just felt a need to vent because they really gave die hard gow fans the shaft on this one and  wanted to get other Gow1 players takes on this shit  because I know i'm not the only one bothered by this.

Really......this is still happening?

Ok what "Fucking patch" do you expect them to make?
How are you going to "patch" Two piecing?
How are you going to "patch" chainsawing?
How the fuck are you going to "patch" smoke grenades?

Firing from the hip is useless because, guess what...YOUR FIRING FROM THE HIP!
Even if you've never fired a gun in your life youd have to be prety thick not to realize that not aiming down the iron sites with any weapon is goign to decrease accuracy. 

Two piecing is cheap, i will give you that. But if your stupid enough to let someone get close enough to you where they can smack you, then you deserve it. Thats why they put in the stopping power.
Iam guessing "Hey theres this guy running towards me, maybe i should lancer him down?" is a thought that never crossed your mind.

As far as the chainsaw goes its cheap because its a one hit kill, and you do need to shoot someone point blank with the shot gun and hope you dont miss to make sure they drop the saw completely. But nobody's bending your arm and telling you "STAND HERE, SHOOT GUY CHARGING WITH LANCER" have you tried running away from the spinning blades.

Better yet have you tried not switching to your shotgun, fireing off a few shots then gettting an active and tryign to kick ass like in Gears 1? Cause if you would maybe you'd stop getting your ass kicked and would have to whine about how "Epic fucked up".

Geow2 is how epic wanted their game, but once people realized you could just run and gun with the gnasher  in part 1everything changed. So they brought the focus back to using more than the gnasher, which was a smart move. Now all of your starting weapons are useful and not just place holders.

They didn't ruin this for hardcore Gears 1 fans, i know because i am one. What they did however do is ruin it for the idiots that ruined the first game and turned it into a shotgun battle game. Either adapt and get use to the new rules, or fuck off and go play gears 1 with whoever you can find in a 3rd world country to play it with.
But dont come to websites complaining about shit especially month old shit that everyone complained about in early November and everyone's gotten over by now. And if they havent then they've fucked off called gears ruined and cried themselves to sleep.
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On another note, why is matchmaking still so shitty?  When I have a full team it shouldn't take 20 mins to match me against another team, fuckin' ridiculous!

lmao aren't you the same person who called the trueskill system "terrible"? i suppose you like the nub friendly system of cod 4 and vegas XD

There is almost nothing they can do, they can't patch the smoke grenade (unless you believe they should remove it). When it comes to chainsawing, yeah, it is still pretty spotty when it comes to if it actually hits you before you shoot them.

I completely agree with Prime20's post.

Play smart or die.

Got enough abreviations in the title there?  I guess you didn't want to waste time on a title before getting straight to your pointless and slaggering rant.

OMG L2P ASAP SOB  BRBAFK2P.

All of those are easily avoidable.

Lol, your title is made only of abreviations!

Well I guess I'm a fucking moron and never thought of those overly obvious answers.... thanks for the criticism but the "adapt or die" excuse is terrible. I play Gears of War for the intense close range fighting not the boring lancer/cover method. By patching the smoke grenade I meant I thought  they should just stun you not knock you on your ass making certain maps easy as fuck to camp. The reason I complain about the two piece is because in the first game you at least had time to shoot after the melee, but for some reason they decided to remove that making the two piece the most effective/cheap aspect of the game.  When you are in a shotgun fight you are always close enough for the two piece ,but in the last game atleast you could pop a shot off and kill the guy. As to the firing from the hip wouldn't be accurate argument ; maybe it wouldn't but the bullets wouldn't shoot straight to the fucking ground. Another flaw in that argument is that nearly everything in this game is not realistic. If a guy can chainsaw someone in a second flat I think he could shoot from the hip somewhat accurately. I did not intend to "annoy" you I guess I just don't troll forums as much as you do defending a point that is easy to defend. "They made the game the way they wanted to" .. really ? that's a fucking shocker I thought they made it the way they didn't want to. The only reason I'm bitching about this is because I like the game I really do, but I think it would be great if they made a few changes.

Hey my best weapon to use would probably be the shotgun but you got to know when to back off from a fight and use another weapon.

This "close range fighting" that you talk about is always counter balanced with the "boring lancer/cover method."

I get those kills with the shotgun from whatever weapon I'm up against it doesn't really play a big role. Playing smart and choosing your battles instead of going in their face will probably get you closer to the enemy and even get some gibbing in.

And this "adapt or die" argument is totally valid. If you don't feel like playing with the new changes Gears2 has to offer then you should go back and be a purist, play Gears1.

"Well I guess I'm a fucking moron and never thought of those overly obvious answers.... thanks for the criticism but the "adapt or die" excuse is terrible. I play Gears of War for the intense close range fighting not the boring lancer/cover method. By patching the smoke grenade I meant I thought  they should just stun you not knock you on your ass making certain maps easy as fuck to camp. The reason I complain about the two piece is because in the first game you at least had time to shoot after the melee, but for some reason they decided to remove that making the two piece the most effective/cheap aspect of the game.  When you are in a shotgun fight you are always close enough for the two piece ,but in the last game atleast you could pop a shot off and kill the guy. As to the firing from the hip wouldn't be accurate argument ; maybe it wouldn't but the bullets wouldn't shoot straight to the fucking ground. Another flaw in that argument is that nearly everything in this game is not realistic. If a guy can chainsaw someone in a second flat I think he could shoot from the hip somewhat accurately. I did not intend to "annoy" you I guess I just don't troll forums as much as you do defending a point that is easy to defend. "They made the game the way they wanted to" .. really ? that's a fucking shocker I thought they made it the way they didn't want to. The only reason I'm bitching about this is because I like the game I really do, but I think it would be great if they made a few changes."

"rerty said:

"Well I guess I'm a fucking moron and never thought of those overly obvious answers.... thanks for the criticism but the "adapt or die" excuse is terrible. I play Gears of War for the intense close range fighting not the boring lancer/cover method. By patching the smoke grenade I meant I thought  they should just stun you not knock you on your ass making certain maps easy as fuck to camp. The reason I complain about the two piece is because in the first game you at least had time to shoot after the melee, but for some reason they decided to remove that making the two piece the most effective/cheap aspect of the game.  When you are in a shotgun fight you are always close enough for the two piece ,but in the last game atleast you could pop a shot off and kill the guy. As to the firing from the hip wouldn't be accurate argument ; maybe it wouldn't but the bullets wouldn't shoot straight to the fucking ground. Another flaw in that argument is that nearly everything in this game is not realistic. If a guy can chainsaw someone in a second flat I think he could shoot from the hip somewhat accurately. I did not intend to "annoy" you I guess I just don't troll forums as much as you do defending a point that is easy to defend. "They made the game the way they wanted to" .. really ? that's a fucking shocker I thought they made it the way they didn't want to. The only reason I'm bitching about this is because I like the game I really do, but I think it would be great if they made a few changes."

yes, yes you are a Fucking Moron. A BIG FUCKING MORON!

How the fuck do you play a game that whole design was based around using cover and firing over said cover. That....hell i dont even have a metaphor for how stupid that sounds.

the smoke grenades are annoying but once again learn to adapt, hundreds of species of animals have learned to do it to survive, iam pretty sure dodging smoke grenades isnt that high up on the list of hard things to do. And as much as you dont want ot hear it guess what Camping is a tatic, annoyign and only as stupid as the people who constantly rush the camp but still a tatic. if you cant slow down for a second and check the walls for smoke grenades, you deserve to be blown to shit.

the bullets dont shoot to the ground, maybe it does for you because you arnt aiming properly, but hell even when i shoot from the hip (as innacurate as it may be) it shoots forward. the bullet spread patter has changed tho, maybe thats what your not used to but it does shoot forward. As long as you know what the hell your doing.

And finally as far as me trollin and defending, its because iam sick of people going "THINGS CHANGED!! IAM MAD!!" it fuckin drives me insane how many times i hear that shit. FUCKING GET OVER IT. If they made the changes you recommended guess what, it will be Gears 1.

There are 2 ways to point out problesm with a game. 1) Make a sane post and point out your concerns and possibly provide a way to remedy the sitiuation. or 2) Make one giant wall of words and moan like a cankerous whore as a means of gaining attention.
give you 3 guesses as to which way you went."

I agree with the TC.  I thought I'd check on the forums to find out if there has been any real patch for the game... guess not.  I think the game's campaign mode is fantastic and horde mode is great fun, but the competitive multiplayer is ruined for me.  I don't know what else I can call it, it's just unplayable for me.  Matchmaking that takes forever and throws you around giving you no control over anything pisses me off.  Unstoppable chainsaws, smoke grenades, and unreliable shotguns really frustrates me.  Gears 1 multiplayer was tacked on, it was so simple.  You pick the gametype then hop in a server with a good connection and you could have fun there all day and meet new people.  It worked.  Now I guess Epic looked at games like Halo and Call of Duty with their matchmaking, and thought that was the way to go.  It's like they tried too hard, got carried away.  It feels like the devs never played Gears 1 multiplayer, never understood what made it fun, and changed it.  If we never had Gears 1, and all we had was the Gears 2 multiplayer experience to judge, I would say Gears of War was never meant to be a multiplayer game.  After about a week of trying to find the fun in multiplayer, I just put the game away, as did my brother, and my friends.  I'm extremely disappointed because before Gears 2 came out, there was no doubt in my mind that it would become my new multiplayer game to play, and it turned out to be just a plain awful experience.

Long Post Not Quoted for Readability's sake.

"Two piece, chainsaw,smoke grenade.....all terribly implemented in the online component of GoW 2. There better be a fucking patch... I understand they wanted to make the game more than just shotgun fights but jesus. Firing from the hip with the shotgun is next to useless and for some reason EPIC decided to take out stuns from gunfire so any jerkoff with a Lancer can hold b and chainsaw you without consequence making close range fighting a piss poor aspect of the game(stuns may occur randomly but will only stun you for around .5 seconds). On top of that they use the truskill ranking system which grades performance on a bell curve. Example... Tonysuckballs with a kill/death of 1.0 or lower can have a high rank just because he plays with people who win alot ; basically equivalent to being powerleveled in a mmo. Just felt a need to vent because they really gave die hard gow fans the shaft on this one and  wanted to get other Gow1 players takes on this shit  because I know i'm not the only one bothered by this."

"rerty said:

"Two piece, chainsaw,smoke grenade.....all terribly implemented in the online component of GoW 2. There better be a fucking patch... I understand they wanted to make the game more than just shotgun fights but jesus. Firing from the hip with the shotgun is next to useless and for some reason EPIC decided to take out stuns from gunfire so any jerkoff with a Lancer can hold b and chainsaw you without consequence making close range fighting a piss poor aspect of the game(stuns may occur randomly but will only stun you for around .5 seconds). On top of that they use the truskill ranking system which grades performance on a bell curve. Example... Tonysuckballs with a kill/death of 1.0 or lower can have a high rank just because he plays with people who win alot ; basically equivalent to being powerleveled in a mmo. Just felt a need to vent because they really gave die hard gow fans the shaft on this one and  wanted to get other Gow1 players takes on this shit  because I know i'm not the only one bothered by this."

I'm really tired of people who suck at GoW2 complaining about the game. The reason most of this was implemented was because they didn't want it to be a shotgun battle. Therefore old tactics won't work. You can't just run up with shotty and pop them anymore. You have to be MORE TACTICAL.  You have to know that lancer lowering sucks (i agree with you there) but you still just have to adjust and learn to deal with it. Why not just pop him with the shotty when he comes in with chainsaw??? I know shotty go toned down but that is still lethal. I think the changes were very affective and accomplished epics goal of making a better XBL game."

"rerty said:

"Two piece, chainsaw,smoke grenade.....all terribly implemented in the online component of GoW 2. There better be a fucking patch... I understand they wanted to make the game more than just shotgun fights but jesus. Firing from the hip with the shotgun is next to useless and for some reason EPIC decided to take out stuns from gunfire so any jerkoff with a Lancer can hold b and chainsaw you without consequence making close range fighting a piss poor aspect of the game(stuns may occur randomly but will only stun you for around .5 seconds). On top of that they use the truskill ranking system which grades performance on a bell curve. Example... Tonysuckballs with a kill/death of 1.0 or lower can have a high rank just because he plays with people who win alot ; basically equivalent to being powerleveled in a mmo. Just felt a need to vent because they really gave die hard gow fans the shaft on this one and  wanted to get other Gow1 players takes on this shit  because I know i'm not the only one bothered by this."

I'm really tired of people who suck at GoW2 complaining about the game. The reason most of this was implemented was because they didn't want it to be a shotgun battle. Therefore old tactics won't work. You can't just run up with shotty and pop them anymore. You have to be MORE TACTICAL.  You have to know that lancer lowering sucks (i agree with you there) but you still just have to adjust and learn to deal with it. Why not just pop him with the shotty when he comes in with chainsaw??? I know shotty go toned down but that is still lethal. I think the changes were very affective and accomplished epics goal of making a better XBL game."

Accept how the game plays. If u don't like it go play something else. Shouldn't be that hard really.

wowzor you mean they turned it from a glitching and shotgun fest into a tacical team game???? how awful

I like to know why when a guy is rushing me with his chainsaw revved and i shoot him in the face i still get chainsawed. They didn't fix the host advantage, the host is just random.

I don't get it. You use the Lancer with cover tactically in singleplayer, yet try shotgun rushing in multiplayer and wonder why you feel like you're playing against the grain. Epic wants its singleplayer strategies to transfer well into multiplayer. Think about it: would Epic deliberately release a game that they thought would piss off Gears 1 fans?

 Unstoppable chainsaws, smoke grenades, and unreliable shotguns really frustrates me. 

"On another note, why is matchmaking still so shitty?  When I have a full team it shouldn't take 20 mins to match me against another team, fuckin' ridiculous!"

"geekpimpfx said:

"On another note, why is matchmaking still so shitty?  When I have a full team it shouldn't take 20 mins to match me against another team, fuckin' ridiculous!"

It doesn't."

I agree all I ever heard about was how great Gears Multi-player was and I am not impressed at all.  The on-line feels buggy and slow to me, good thing the campaign ruled.

the online sucks ass now shitty matchmaking and laggy as shit