More Than Half Of Gears 2 Users Played On Standard Definition!

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#1 Edited by Linkyshinks (9880 posts) -

 Epic's VP Mark Rein has revealed that more than half of 360 users played Gears 2 on standard definition TV's.

EUROGAMER Interview with Mark Rein:


Mark Rein: Over half the users who played Gears of War 2 so far do not have HDTVs. [Dramatic pause]

Eurogamer: Oh.

Mark Rein: I think that tells you there are still a lot of people making the leap to HD.

Eurogamer: So you're saying we're have to increase the userbase of HDTV before we can beam games into people's eyes?

Mark Rein
: No. My point is, of the systems that are out there now, the majority of them aren't plugged into HDTVs. So there's no way we're ready for the PlayStation 4 or the Xbox Whatever.



I had heard prior the take up was poor, but never imagined it was this poor. I wonder what Pachter's thoughts are. What are yours?



Thanks to GB member Godwind for the tip 
 
 
 
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#2 Posted by iAmJohn (6114 posts) -

I'm really not surprised, to be honest.  I played Gears 1 on an SDTV!

#3 Posted by kmdrkul (3476 posts) -

Makes me proud of my 18 inch HDTV that I bought on an extreme budget :D

#4 Edited by Linkyshinks (9880 posts) -
@iAmJohn said:
" I'm really not surprised, to be honest.  I played Gears 1 on an SDTV! "

With Gears 1 it's slightly understandable, but the sequel, I find that pretty amazing.


@kmdrkul said:
" Makes me proud of my 18 inch HDTV that I bought on an extreme budget :D "

The fact that it's18inch suggests as much :D



#5 Posted by Ineedaname (4319 posts) -

How would they know?

#6 Posted by Linkyshinks (9880 posts) -
@Ineedaname said:
" How would they know? "


I am wondering exactly the same, but I don't doubt his claim, because he of all people would know,




#7 Posted by Vacancy009 (62 posts) -

They are also making the assumption that those with HDTV have connected their systems up to take advantage of it.  Depending on the available inputs and knowledge of the consumer they could be using a standard RCA video input rather than component or HDMI.  Some of the first gen HDTV's only had 1 HDMI port which usually their HD cable box gets plugged into.  I have a hard time playing on anything other than HD these days but I guess most people can't miss what they havent used yet.

#8 Posted by SJSchmidt93 (4894 posts) -

Yeah, when I got my PS3 the first game I played was Assassin's Creed, and I couldn't read the text. (At this point I was using a 12", my 22" had broke like a month previous to this) So I was like, fuck it, I went out and got a 32" Vizio. Didn't actually buy an HDMI cable till like a year later.

And, as mentioned before, god knows how they actually get a hold of this data.

#9 Edited by The_A_Drain (3910 posts) -

Welcome to the real world. This is what people with lots of money don't seem to understand, the rest of the world is not as well off as you, and either don't want, don't need, or cannot afford to upgrade.


This is why the Wii is in standard definition primarily, because not only was it cheaper, but most of the audience doesn't give two shits. 

Some would argue that it is a case of 'once you've use it, you cannot go back' personally I can take it or leave it. One thing I cannot go back to is 4:3 though, I must have widescreen (otherwise my Stargate is called Targat, and that makes much less sense) But a lot of people, way more than people already with HDTVs would assume, are unwilling to upgrade until their current TV's literally die of old age. They have no need to currently, especially if they are happy with that format, or have not experienced the newer formats, and a lot of people have money worries in the current climate and cannot afford the upgrade.

HDTV adoption is going to be a slow, laborious process, it's not like the jump from no tv, to tv, where everybody wanted a piece of the pie. Or the clear, inarguable difference between colour and B&W. This is an upgrade a large portion of people don't want or care about, and will only upgrade when their televisions die and they can no longer buy a 4:3 SDTV. Other cannot afford it, or would rather save money in the current climate, or already upgraded.

I personally still don't have an HDTV, for normal television is doesn't bother me, i'm happy watching Targat and Eep Space Nin. I do my gaming on an HD monitor though as I could clearly see the quality difference and wanted a piece of that action. But a lot of people just don't care. All of my gaming friends for example, heavy gamers and tv watchers all of them, out of all of them I know 1 with an HDTV who only bought it 3 months ago, and 3 who's parents have HDTVs. Of those, only one has a 1080p, and he only uses it to watch SKY HD and upscale old DVDs.

It's going to be a long, long time before we see a big enough adoption rate to claim that HDTV has taken over. SDTV is still here, and it's going to be here for ages, it's going to cling on to its last dying breath, and even then someone is going to preserve its corpse to be dragged another few thousand miles until there is nothing left but bleached bone.

Edit: Also, didn't these figures come out weeks ago? The figures anyway, I hadn't seen an interview on the subject, thanks for the link.
#10 Posted by Hockeymask27 (3683 posts) -
@Linkyshinks said:
" @iAmJohn said:
" I'm really not surprised, to be honest.  I played Gears 1 on an SDTV! "

With Gears 1 it's slightly understandable, but the sequel, I find that pretty amazing.


@kmdrkul said:
" Makes me proud of my 18 inch HDTV that I bought on an extreme budget :D "
The fact that it's18inch suggests as much :D "
its funny how some things that are 18inchs are considered big while a tv is small.
#11 Posted by Godwind (2597 posts) -

The real problem with HD has little to do with gaming and more with broadcast offerings.  As it stands, most television channels still broadcast in standard definition with the exception.  Gaming is usually the some of the earliest leaps into new commercial technologies before it catches on with other stuff.  I remember when CDs became popular.  While they were growing, most people didn't own them until the Sony Playstation came out.  The same with DVD players.

#12 Posted by LiquidPrince (15901 posts) -

That's kind of weird especially considering how cheap you can get some HDTV's.

#13 Posted by Asurastrike (2165 posts) -

I have an HDTV, but not in the same room as my PS3/360. So I still play on an SDTV.

#14 Posted by Illmatic (1358 posts) -

I'm not surprised seeing as I played Gears 2 on my SDTV. Heck, I play SF IV on an SDTV, tiny text and all. I understand the difference between the two and have seen it first hand for most of my games but its still not enough to make me want to play HD every single time. I think those who do it alot on HDTV's overestimate how big this practice actually is.

#15 Posted by Ben_H (3336 posts) -

I play on SD.  I will be until August 13th when I get payed and go buy a 32" LCD.  This reminds me a lot of when you see Xbox and PS3 fanboys arguing over which is better and the PS3 people talk about Blu-ray and whatnot.  It may be a major selling point for them but to most people it's meaningless because they just view it as more expensive DVDs to buy.  This will obviously change but it will take a while.  I remember reading a thing about how most people who have HDTVs don't even have them properly set up and are watching in SD.

#16 Posted by jonnyboy (2920 posts) -

Gears of war 1 was a disappointment  for me as far as graphics went, there's no argument it was highly defined, unfortunately it was highly defined grey. It was so fucking monochrome I used to call it "Greys of War". GoW2 was a much better and prettier looking game, but I still don't think you would have missed much in SD.

#17 Posted by animateria (3252 posts) -

Not surprised...

Most of the gaming population don't even, *GASP!*, post on forums on popular enthusiast sites.

They might buy and play a lot of games, but they aren't.... hrm.... I dunno how to put it,,,,

Us?

I don't think that's quite right either... but I can't find a word for it.

I guess I think a lot of us care not just what we play, but also how we play? (I'm lost here actually...)


But yeah, my HDTV/Monitor cost me around $450 (damn taxes!)  for a 32" a year ago, I doubt that people find the size or price adequate. (It's perfect for me since I needed a monitor as well as a TV. Any bigger would be tough as a monitor.)

#18 Posted by TheGreatGuero (9130 posts) -

I've never been too impressed with HDTV quality. I don't think it looks that much better to warrant the extra price. SDTV is fine by me.

#19 Posted by Meowayne (6084 posts) -

I think this tells us much more about the audience of war porn games than the general attachment rate of HDTVs.


#20 Posted by MysteriousBob (6272 posts) -

I'm surprised there's a single person who plays 360/PS3 on SDTV. HD is cheap now.

#21 Edited by ki11tank (682 posts) -

damn who would even get a next gen if you dont have a hdtv or good monitor atleast..

I'm kinda bummed out that my office hdtv is only 32 inches let alone the fact that im bummed out my 50inch hdtv is only 720p...

#22 Posted by Icemael (6314 posts) -

I've played 360 games on a huge HDTV. I have also played 360 games on my medium-sized SDTV. I just don't see what the hell people who say "OMG I can't believe you're playing on an SDTV, the difference is HUUUUUGE" are talking about.


The difference wasn't even significant enough to be worth $100... the only thing that has made me consider buying a HDTV is games with tiny-ass text, and developers who do that are dicks.
#23 Posted by Fr0Br0 (3089 posts) -
@The_A_Drain said:
" Welcome to the real world. This is what people with lots of money don't seem to understand, the rest of the world is not as well off as you, and either don't want, don't need, or cannot afford to upgrade."
Exactly.

I don't know what is up with some people and why they are so surprised that not every person plays on an HDTV. Some gamers don't spend all their money on games and have a budget. These people know what the necessities of life are and playing games with the most crisp visuals is not one of them. And that is the only difference, crisp visuals and bigger text. Everything still plays the same, everything still sounds the same. If you want to act like you are hotter shit than a person who plays on a SDTV, yet you're HDTV is smaller, then sure go ahead and live in you're world where you lie to yourself if you say "Oh, SDTV? Pssh I can never go back to that..."
#24 Posted by mubress (1517 posts) -
@animateria said:
" Not surprised...Most of the gaming population don't even, *GASP!*, post on forums on popular enthusiast sites.They might buy and play a lot of games, but they aren't.... hrm.... I dunno how to put it,,,,Us?
I lol'd!
#25 Posted by WilliamRLBaker (4777 posts) -

Its not surprising, I don't trust current day HDTV adoption numbers simply put i still think its less then half of the tv owning populace that has an HDTV, They pushed HD way to soon which is why so many games are sub hd resolutions and bad in preformance, If maybe so many of them devs  weren't forced to try HD resolutions then it would be one less step in the development process.

#26 Edited by Linkyshinks (9880 posts) -

@MysteriousBob said:
" I'm surprised there's a single person who plays 360/PS3 on SDTV. HD is cheap now. "

Yeah, you can buy HDTVs for very cheap these days.


@Icemael
said:
" I've played 360 games on a huge HDTV. I have also played 360 games on my medium-sized SDTV. I just don't see what the hell people who say "OMG I can't believe you're playing on an SDTV, the difference is HUUUUUGE" are talking about.

The difference wasn't even significant enough to be worth $100... the only thing that has made me consider buying a HDTV is games with tiny-ass text, and developers who do that are dicks.


The difference may not be huge but it is instantly apparent. 360 games look notably better on a HDTV running in 1080p, than they do on a good SDTV. On a SDTV, colours bleed and textures look fuzzy in comparison, while on a HDTV the crispness of lines and vibrancy of the colours is instantly apparent.

When playing through a HDTV, your playing the games as the developers intended them to be played. The 360's graphics were intended to be output in HD, The only time a game drops below the HD mark is due to engine issues - making the game run at a smoother rate.




#27 Posted by Apathylad (3066 posts) -

I don't have an HDTV, and the 360 I own doesn't even have a HDMI port. :(

#28 Posted by Agnogenic_delete (1034 posts) -

I love my 1080p monitor. <3

#29 Posted by CL60 (16906 posts) -

HDTVs are not very expensive anymore.

#30 Posted by Linkyshinks (9880 posts) -
@WilliamRLBaker said:
" Its not surprising, I don't trust current day HDTV adoption numbers simply put i still think its less then half of the tv owning populace that has an HDTV, They pushed HD way to soon which is why so many games are sub hd resolutions and bad in performance, If maybe so many of them devs  weren't forced to try HD resolutions then it would be one less step in the development process. "

There aren't that many sub 720p (-considered HD) games on the evidence of this:

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241

Modern Warfare 2 might be sub 720p, but that could change in a instant after optimization of the engine:

http://www.kombo.com/article.php?artid=13427


#31 Posted by Linkyshinks (9880 posts) -
@WilliamRLBaker said:
" Its not surprising, I don't trust current day HDTV adoption numbers simply put i still think its less then half of the tv owning populace that has an HDTV, They pushed HD way to soon which is why so many games are sub hd resolutions and bad in preformance, If maybe so many of them devs  weren't forced to try HD resolutions then it would be one less step in the development process. "


There aren't that many sub 720p games on 360 according to these beyond 3D tests:

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241

Modern Warfare 2 might be sub 720p also, but that may well change after optimization of the engine:

http://www.kombo.com/article.php?artid=13427




#32 Posted by WilliamRLBaker (4777 posts) -
@Linkyshinks said:
" @WilliamRLBaker said:
" Its not surprising, I don't trust current day HDTV adoption numbers simply put i still think its less then half of the tv owning populace that has an HDTV, They pushed HD way to soon which is why so many games are sub hd resolutions and bad in performance, If maybe so many of them devs  weren't forced to try HD resolutions then it would be one less step in the development process. "

There aren't that many sub 720p (-considered HD) games on the evidence of this:

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241

Modern Warfare 2 might be sub 720p, but that could change in a instant after optimization of the engine:

http://www.kombo.com/article.php?artid=13427 "
that list of games is only a list of games that have tried to be HD what about games on both systems that simply use 480p and then use the internal scaler in each system to reach desired upscaled resolutions, or the games that aren't nearly as advanced or don't try to maintain a 30-60fps.
then you have games no one cares about because the developers and fanboys didn't make them out to be the 2nd comming of christ.

No that list isn't very telling of the state of HD in todays games though it does say one thing, if the game is advanced and pushes the system to the limit more often then not HD resolutions TRUE hd resolutions *720p and 1080i/p* are not atainable they have to dial it back to make the game run smoothly.
#33 Edited by spazmaster666 (1966 posts) -

Not surprising at all since there are definitely a lot 15 year-olds that play Gears of War 2. And most 15 year olds can't afford HDTVs. Of course even on an SDTV, modern games like Gears still look WAY better then a previous gen game would look (i.e. PS2, Xbox, etc.). So people who are saying that the gaming hardware is irrelevant because most people still have SD sets need to realize that there's a more to graphical quality then resolution.

#34 Posted by clownzkilaa (14 posts) -

i dont even own an hdtv but that doesnt make the game any less fun

#35 Posted by nrain (1274 posts) -

I have a pre hdmi port 360 but i still play in 720p. I can't stand SD now, the text is abysmall.

#36 Posted by GeekDown (1170 posts) -

My first playthrough was in SD but now I'm playing it in HD.

#37 Posted by Icemael (6314 posts) -
@Linkyshinks said:
"@Icemael said:
" I've played 360 games on a huge HDTV. I have also played 360 games on my medium-sized SDTV. I just don't see what the hell people who say "OMG I can't believe you're playing on an SDTV, the difference is HUUUUUGE" are talking about.

The difference wasn't even significant enough to be worth $100... the only thing that has made me consider buying a HDTV is games with tiny-ass text, and developers who do that are dicks.
The difference may not be huge but it is instantly apparent. 360 games look notably better on a HDTV running in 1080p, than they do on a good SDTV. On a SDTV, colours bleed and textures look fuzzy in comparison, while on a HDTV the crispness of lines and vibrancy of the colours is instantly apparent. When playing through a HDTV, your playing the games as the developers intended them to be played. The 360's graphics were intended to be output in HD, The only time a game drops below the HD mark is due to engine issues - making the game run at a smoother rate. "
But the difference is far too subtle to justify the price. The only thing that looks notably better is tiny text -- hell, the first time I played on a HDTV, I didn't even think about the difference. If someone had said "this is an SDTV", I would've believed him. As I said, I don't even think the difference is worth $100. Games that look fantastic in HD look just as fantastic(unless you sit there and look for a difference, and you don't do that when you play games) on SDTVs.

I just don't see any good reason to purchase a HDTV. It's a complete and utter waste of money. If the difference was significant, sure, I would definitely have considered upgrading. But as it is, I'm not upgrading anytime soon.


#38 Edited by jonsnow007 (84 posts) -

Personally I can see a massive difference with HD, I was forced back to SD for about a week and I could not stand it to the point of not wanting to play until I had HD back. It's easy to take for granted that lovely crispness  and vibrance that HD brings, but I believe it would take quite some time to condition yourself to be able to enjoy SD again. If ever!!

The jump from SD to 720p is massive but going to 1080p doesn't seem to bring alot of benefit until your screen is at least 50" or more. In fact anything less than 42" with 1080p and your wasting your time, unless you plug your PC into it.

To those of you who say they can't see much difference, either the screen you were viewing was not setup properly or your just saying that because you don't have one.

#39 Posted by L33tfella_H (901 posts) -

Don't Act so suprised people....HD might be the way to go, but we're still only heading over slowly.

#40 Edited by Scooper (7882 posts) -

There's no way I am ready to play SFIV as I'm not playing it on a HDTV! I'm just not ready.

#41 Posted by Diamond (8634 posts) -
@WilliamRLBaker said:
that list of games is only a list of games that have tried to be HD what about games on both systems that simply use 480p and then use the internal scaler in each system to reach desired upscaled resolutions, or the games that aren't nearly as advanced or don't try to maintain a 30-60fps.then you have games no one cares about because the developers and fanboys didn't make them out to be the 2nd comming of christ.No that list isn't very telling of the state of HD in todays games though it does say one thing, if the game is advanced and pushes the system to the limit more often then not HD resolutions TRUE hd resolutions *720p and 1080i/p* are not atainable they have to dial it back to make the game run smoothly. "
There isn't a SINGLE game on either 360 or PS3 that render in as low of a resolution as 480p and upscale.  Star Ocean 4's battles are the lowest I know of at 882x476 or so, but that's still better than 480p, and that's a one-off.

The majority of games on 360 and PS3 are at least 720p.  Even the ones that drop some resolution are still tons better on HD than SD.  There aren't that many games that fail to at least get 30fps on either platform either.
#42 Posted by Meowayne (6084 posts) -

Does nobody wonder where Epic got those numbers from? I'm fairly sure Epic doesn't know what kind of TV I played their games on.

Or do they?

#43 Posted by Diamond (8634 posts) -
@Meowayne said:
" Does nobody wonder where Epic got those numbers from? I'm fairly sure Epic doesn't know what kind of TV I played their games on.Or do they? "
Maybe 360s phone home with what resolution the system is set to output.  Certainly would be easy to do.
#44 Edited by GunnBjorn (2911 posts) -

I'm one of those people that purchased a HDTV fairly recently (December 2008).
My Sony Trinitron was still an okay TV set, so i didn't bother with it really.
Until... my parents bought a HDTV in the late summer of 2008 and all of a sudden i felt like an oldtimer, stuck with an old tv that i almost wanted to donate to a museum of archaic electronics.
So i bought a Full HD 100 hrtz tv for a decent price.
And yeah, it's an overall improvement... not just for playing games.
And to be able to plug in your pc via a hdmi cable is pretty neat too.
Watching streaming videos on your big screen is just great!

#45 Posted by Arjuna (887 posts) -

Good.  It's easier for me to pwn ppl with standard def.  I can see further in the distance with my HD.

#46 Posted by SUBL1ME (116 posts) -

Wow kind of surprising the adoption rate is so low, I work barely above minimum wage and was able to afford a 32" 1080p and a 19" 720p to set up two rooms in HD. HD sets are cheap now unlike only a few short years ago. Only problem with HD is the cable provider, there are only a few dozen channels that broadcast in high def and almost all broadcast in 720p and none go higher than 1080i. Though I'd wager thats more of a limit of broadcasting technology than anything.

#47 Posted by Milkman (16619 posts) -

I don't see why anyone would play a 360 on a SDTV. HD TVs are so cheap now.

#48 Posted by Cumbersnach (15 posts) -

Not everyone can afford games, consoles, and a huge fucking telly. 
 
*insert mildly jealous mumblings here* 

#49 Posted by Jambones (1696 posts) -
@Cumbersnach said:

" Not everyone can afford games, consoles, and a huge fucking telly.  *insert mildly jealous mumblings here*  "

I am honestly not surprised at the slow uptick of HDTV users personally, because I am poor myself. I only just managed to buy a 1080p monitor days ago, and only then because it was super cheap and I needed it for working on things.
 
But as Milkman put it, HDTV are getting cheaper, so I won't think it will be long now. Then we can begin the dance of obsolescence all over again.
#50 Posted by Linkyshinks (9880 posts) -
@Icemael said:
" @Linkyshinks said:
"@Icemael said:
" I've played 360 games on a huge HDTV. I have also played 360 games on my medium-sized SDTV. I just don't see what the hell people who say "OMG I can't believe you're playing on an SDTV, the difference is HUUUUUGE" are talking about.

The difference wasn't even significant enough to be worth $100... the only thing that has made me consider buying a HDTV is games with tiny-ass text, and developers who do that are dicks.
The difference may not be huge but it is instantly apparent. 360 games look notably better on a HDTV running in 1080p, than they do on a good SDTV. On a SDTV, colours bleed and textures look fuzzy in comparison, while on a HDTV the crispness of lines and vibrancy of the colours is instantly apparent. When playing through a HDTV, your playing the games as the developers intended them to be played. The 360's graphics were intended to be output in HD, The only time a game drops below the HD mark is due to engine issues - making the game run at a smoother rate. "
But the difference is far too subtle to justify the price. The only thing that looks notably better is tiny text -- hell, the first time I played on a HDTV, I didn't even think about the difference. If someone had said "this is an SDTV", I would've believed him. As I said, I don't even think the difference is worth $100. Games that look fantastic in HD look just as fantastic(unless you sit there and  look for a difference, and you don't do that when you play games) on SDTVs.

I just don't see any good reason to purchase a HDTV. It's a complete and utter waste of money. If the difference was significant, sure, I would definitely have considered upgrading. But as it is, I'm not upgrading anytime soon.


"
Well I certainly see the imperfections, besides, you don't buy a TV solely for videogames do you, you would buy a HDTV for all the HD media you own, and for the available TV networks in your country.

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