Spoilers...The Carmine Theory

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#1 Edited by Zaapp1 (657 posts) -

I can't say that I've looked into all the books and analyzed every line of dialogue from the 2 gears games, but I just thought I'd share my thoughts on what i call "The Carmine Theory" (excuse me if this exists already).  Basically it boils down to this.  4 Carmines = 4 Gears games.  First was Anthony (got his head popped).  Then there's Benjamin (got eaten...partially).  That's two of the Carmines down, with supposedly 2 other brothers that are also enlisted.  I'm going to go ahead and say that there are 2 more Gears games coming, one with C. Carmine and one with D. Carmine (Charlie, Cody, David, Damion, etc.  Take your pick).  I'm also going to peer into the future and say that each of these dudes will die, even though D. Carmine doesn't necessarily have to.  Your thoughts?

Edit: It has been confirmed that there is, in fact, a Clay Carmine, thanks to Manks.

#2 Posted by Systech (4078 posts) -

I don't want another Carmine, actually. You would think that the other two would learn their lesson after enlisting in Delta. ;)

#3 Posted by HandsomeDead (11863 posts) -

I agree. After hearing Ben Carmine say he was one of four, I immediately though that there would be four games. To be honest, i'd like to see that rather than Gears just being another default trilogy like everything else.

#4 Posted by Napalm (9020 posts) -

Haha, yeah. The Carmine brothers are amazing. They're so gung-ho. I mean, in the first game, Anthony Carmine was just basically a rook who got it quick, which justified you only being able to have 4 people/squad. But everybody played as him in Gears Of War, and he was an unexpected fan favorite, especially his "Die, Locust, Die!" gung-ho attitude. That, and the helmet he had which gave him such a unique personality.

That's cool that they invented this whole "Carmine Brothers" thing after the sleeper hit appeal of Anthony. I was so sad, when Benjamin Carmine got it. I was like, "ok, he's seriously going to survive, we're halfway through the game, and he's not dead." Then the chopper. I was like, "shit, no! Ok, he's in the chopper. SHIT! HE FUCKING FLEW OFF! GODDAMMIT!"

And then they found him in the riftworm, half eaten, ugh, haha. You really don't want the Carmine brothers to get it, but you know they will eventually. I just hope they continue with the Carmine history/mythos and hopefully have one survive and become the fifth member of Delta squad at the end of whatever game.

#5 Posted by Wolswor (201 posts) -

I hope it isn't true, I honestly hope the Carmines are done.  Everyone KNEW the second Carmine was going to die.  There was no question about it.  If they put in a third and a fourth it will be lame, "Oh, wonder how he'll die this time."

#6 Posted by HandsomeDead (11863 posts) -
Napalm said:
"I was so sad, when Benjamin Carmine got it. I was like, "ok, he's seriously going to survive, we're halfway through the game, and he's not dead." Then the chopper. I was like, "shit, no! Ok, he's in the chopper. SHIT! HE FUCKING FLEW OFF! GODDAMMIT!"
I know. I thought they were going to kill him off really early and instead not only did they keep him around, but they built him up as quite a sympathetic character so when they killed him off, I was gutted. Had it not been in such a comically grizzly way, I may have shed a tear or two.
#7 Posted by Zaapp1 (657 posts) -
Wolswor said:
"I hope it isn't true, I honestly hope the Carmines are done.  Everyone KNEW the second Carmine was going to die.  There was no question about it.  If they put in a third and a fourth it will be lame, "Oh, wonder how he'll die this time.""
Don't you think that might be interesting though?  They could have a bunch of close calls with the next Carmines and then have him die in some unexpected way, just toying with you since they know you know.
#8 Posted by Napalm (9020 posts) -

Yeah and like I said, have the last Carmine brother survive and become the fifth member of the Delta Squad.

#9 Posted by keyhunter (3207 posts) -

MIND BLOWING.

#10 Posted by halfameatball (118 posts) -

I thought that too...but in all honesty you know that Microsoft and Epic will keep the series going if they are making money and the quality of the franchise stays up to speed. Maybe we'll see cousins, sisters, children, whatever. The Gears franchise will keep going if it is making money I think...and that will not change for a while.

#11 Posted by Vlademir (1029 posts) -

Carmine was a funny addition in Gears 2 almost because you wonder throughout the whole game how he will die but I think if 2 more carmines were in 2 other games it might become a little dull.

#12 Posted by ParanoidFreak (1461 posts) -

Poor Carmine, I knew he was going to die the whole time that he was with me but it still bummed me out to seem him die. I hope they give the Carmine family a break, it might become repetitive.

#13 Posted by GmLx (58 posts) -

For the loveofgod what about tai !!! :'( loll

#14 Posted by Yelix (331 posts) -

It's going to be like South Park, where every episode you would just sit there waiting for Kenny to die and it would always be in some ridiculous way.
The only reason Carmine dies is because only pussies wear helmets.

#15 Posted by Napalm (9020 posts) -

Benjamin: "These helmets have an air filtration system built inside."

Dom: "Yeah, but then I wouldn't be able to see incoming sniper bullets."

Marcus: "Dom... cool it."

LOL.

#16 Posted by Manks (836 posts) -

You know the 3rd Carmine brother's name is Clay, right?  It was a note in one of the collectibles for the War Journal.  The note is written to Clay Carmine from Ben.

#17 Posted by Milkman (16479 posts) -
Yelix said:
"It's going to be like South Park, where every episode you would just sit there waiting for Kenny to die and it would always be in some ridiculous way.
The only reason Carmine dies is because only pussies wear helmets."
This. Every Gears game that is released, a Carmine will die.
#18 Posted by Zaapp1 (657 posts) -
Manks said:
"You know the 3rd Carmine brother's name is Clay, right?  It was a note in one of the collectibles for the War Journal.  The note is written to Clay Carmine from Ben."

Thank you!  If that's not definitive proof, I don't know what is...well...at least one part of my theory has been confirmed.
#19 Posted by Napalm (9020 posts) -

I think they used the same voice actor for Ben as they did with Anthony. They should just do that for every Carmine brother.

#20 Posted by Manks (836 posts) -
Zaapp1 said:
"Manks said:
"You know the 3rd Carmine brother's name is Clay, right?  It was a note in one of the collectibles for the War Journal.  The note is written to Clay Carmine from Ben."

Thank you!  If that's not definitive proof, I don't know what is...well...at least one part of my theory has been confirmed."
No problem.  
#21 Posted by CreamyGoodness (1086 posts) -
keyhunter said:
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MIND BLOWING.

"
um not quite. ya your theory is fucked, besides carmines need to stop dying. fuck everyone else carmine is da shit
#22 Posted by Zaapp1 (657 posts) -

I like him, but that's the point...he's the character in the war movie who everyone wants to pull through and yet knows he won't.

#23 Posted by Prime20 (168 posts) -
Zaapp1 said:
"I like him, but that's the point...he's the character in the war movie who everyone wants to pull through and yet knows he won't."
Agreed, hell he had his little "tell my family i love them!" speech like this was some vietnam movie. Maybe Clay will be a complete badass and instead of getting his head popped off, or eaten by something he'll actually survive.

Or at the very least die in a heroric way that saves the rest of the world, like that dude in Starship Troopers that stayed behind to detonate the nuke.
#24 Posted by daniel_beck_90 (3159 posts) -

GEARS OF WAR  will have more than 4 installments ,
  I BET 

#25 Posted by DragoonKain1687 (702 posts) -

Yeah, I mean, Carmine is now to Gears of War what Kenny is to South Park. We all know he is gonna bite the dust, but we all want to see HOW he does it :D.

#26 Posted by keyhunter (3207 posts) -

As well as killing a Carmine, they will also kill a "main character" type leader figure who is Asian in decent.

#27 Edited by spykr (1 posts) -
keyhunter said:
"As well as killing a Carmine, they will also kill a "main character" type leader figure who is Asian in decent."
Why not just make it easier for everyone and have an asian Carmine? :D
I can see it now, Ching Chong Carmine.
#28 Posted by damswedon (3173 posts) -

they need to have clay carmine as a badass who walks around firing the bike-gun with a chainsaw on the bottom

#29 Posted by NoDeath (798 posts) -

also a little note, both gears 1 and 2 had 5 acts. A. Carmine dies in act 1 game 1, B. Carmine in act 2 game 2. whats the bet they'll die later and later in each game

#30 Posted by Illmatic (1358 posts) -

It'd be awesome if D. Carmine turned out to be some uber bad ass solider that saves the day in the end of Gears of War 4.

#31 Posted by dsplayer1010 (2227 posts) -

I think the next one will die, then the other will stick around

#32 Posted by Player1 (3850 posts) -

You guys realize Cliffy B (oh my bad), Young Clifford has confirmed that it is indeed a trilogy?

#33 Posted by giyanks22 (2681 posts) -
HandsomeDead said:
"I agree. After hearing Ben Carmine say he was one of four, I immediately though that there would be four games. To be honest, i'd like to see that rather than Gears just being another default trilogy like everything else."
I agree I think Gears shouldn't end as a trilogy.
#34 Posted by Death_Unicorn (2838 posts) -

I cried both times :((((
If this continues, I will fight for the Carmine family's rights! !11!

#35 Posted by Will1Lucky (408 posts) -
Player1 said:
"You guys realize Cliffy B (oh my bad), Young Clifford has confirmed that it is indeed a trilogy?"

Well then we demand 2 carmines to die then :D.
#36 Posted by Jeffsekai (7025 posts) -

I hope they do add another Carmine that will die, when the Carmine in Gears of War 2 died I was actually sad when he did, it was a very good moment that made me care about the rest of the COGs and the Carmines.


needs more

#37 Posted by Shadow (4977 posts) -

the next one will die almost imediately, and that will get the cogs all jaded about it, and then the fourth Carmine will be the ultimate badass.

#38 Posted by brukaoru (5079 posts) -
Player1 said:
"You guys realize Cliffy B (oh my bad), Young Clifford has confirmed that it is indeed a trilogy?"
Actually, he didn't. Some of the press either misquoted him or assumed it would be a trilogy.

Here's what Mark Rein said a while back: (Source)
"Gears is a trilogy? If we can keep making quality games that fans obviously love [...] then why would we have to stop at three? I don't see the Metal Gear Solid, Mario, Grand Theft Auto or Final Fantasy series (among others) stopping at three and they're still delivering compelling entertainment content that's easily worth the money (see Unreal Tournament as well). There's definitely, as many of you have pointed out, a lot more to learn about what's really happening on the plant Sera and in the lives of the members of Delta Squad."


"If Gears had flopped we certainly wouldn't be thinking about a sequel. So when we said 'let's wait and see how the first one does before we commit to a second' we definitely meant it. Likewise the same is true for third or fourth, or seventh or tenth [Smile] I think we made it clear that this game is part of a bigger story and if this one did well then the story would unfold in another one.
#39 Posted by Shadow (4977 posts) -
Will1Lucky said:
"Player1 said:
"You guys realize Cliffy B (oh my bad), Young Clifford has confirmed that it is indeed a trilogy?"

Well then we demand 2 carmines to die then :D."

he never said that, or even anything to that effect.  He said he wants to do another one, but that no way implies that the "one more" means "one last"
#40 Posted by voghan (43 posts) -

Actually he said why limit yourself to three.  If the game is a success they may just keep going.

#41 Posted by End_Boss (3220 posts) -
Milkman said:
This. Every Gears game that is released, a Carmine will die."
Carmine will look up and ask Marcus to save him, and Marcus will whisper,

"No."
#42 Posted by Alcamin (151 posts) -

I may be alone in thinking this but I really hope that at least one of the Carmine brothers survives. The moment that B. Carmine died in the Gears 2 was a genuinely sad one and I'm not sure I could go through that again twice more (call me a softy if you like ;P ). I'm not really a fan of introducing a character for the sole purpose of killing them off.

I also hope that the final two Carmine's are different from their brothers in terms of personality. Making them strong willed, confident and perhaps even a bit gun ho would be a interesting change of pace. The idea of a Carmine being a brash and brazen character is actually quite an amusing one really. ^^

#43 Posted by Alphazero (1533 posts) -

Oh my God, they killed Carmine!
You bastards!

#44 Posted by MountainMarine (17 posts) -

Look they're going to kill off the third carmine in the third game so there will be just one Carmine left. Then they'll find out that the locust have captured the last Carmine meaning that the last gears will be "Gears Of War 4: Saving Private Carmine"

#45 Posted by Alcamin (151 posts) -
MountainMarine said:
"Look they're going to kill off the third carmine in the third game so there will be just one Carmine left. Then they'll find out that the locust have captured the last Carmine meaning that the last gears will be "Gears Of War 4: Saving Private Carmine""
The whole "Saving Private Ryan" scenario has certainly crossed my mind on more than one occasion but it's that exact storyline which I hope and pray will not come to pass. It would be so cliché and unimaginative, and would most likely be universally condemned because as a result. The Gears series deserves better than that. If Epic wants to follow that sort of plot then they would have to come up with something original and not make such a blatant rip-off. I really, REALLY hope they think about it properly otherwise a lot of people, myself included, will be extremely disappointed.
#46 Posted by KingOfIceland (653 posts) -

How about in Gears 3, along with the Marcus/Dom and Cole/Baird campaigns there's a Carmin/Carmine co-op campaign


think about it

#47 Posted by Captain_Fookup (1519 posts) -

Clearly there will be five Gears of Wars, after all after all the brothers die keep in mind there is still the mother.

#48 Posted by natetodamax (19164 posts) -
Benjamin: "These helmets have an air filtration system built inside."

Dom: "Yeah, but then I wouldn't be able to see incoming sniper bullets."

Marcus: "Dom... cool it."

LOL.

Horendous misquote FTL
#49 Posted by Alcamin (151 posts) -
KingOfIceland said:
"How about in Gears 3, along with the Marcus/Dom and Cole/Baird campaigns there's a Carmin/Carmine co-op campaign


think about it
"
Yeah, to be honest, I think that's a pretty good idea. It would add a bit more variety to the series and getting to know the family better would be great (I'm a sucker for that kind of in-depth stuff ^^). Whether it will actually ever happen though is another thing entirely but we can but hope. :)


Captain_Fookup
said:
"Clearly there will be five Gears of Wars, after all after all the brothers die keep in mind there is still the mother."
Oh man, that really would be a kick in the teeth, wouldn't it? :D The family tragedy would be complete!

#50 Posted by LoZone (148 posts) -

story is lame, lol,  anyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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