Two-Piecing. Your thoughts?

#1 Posted by AlexB (1023 posts) -

what are your thoughts on Two-piecing (melee with shotgun, then fire). Do you use it a lot. Or do you think it is cheap and a noob tactic. My thoughts are it is overused way too much and can get annoying after a while. I only use it in desperate situations.

#2 Posted by Blu_Magic (2021 posts) -

I use it when I'm outnumbered and they're rushing me.

#3 Posted by HoNgKoNgPh0oEy (1481 posts) -

I use it sometimes but I still find it hard to pull off and it isnt that cheap since you get that close you deserve to die

#4 Posted by Gaius (129 posts) -

I do find it cheap if a player uses it too often, and by too often I mean all the time.  I must admit, I do use it, but only in desperate situations where I'm going to die anyway and just want to get a kill out of it.  I was more upset by all the glitches that people used more than two-piecing.

#5 Posted by gameshark5 (248 posts) -

if its a tactic used every now and again its not a problem, but if people are absolutely depending on it then its lame

#6 Posted by fatmenace (5 posts) -
gameshark5 said:
Blu_Magic said: Blu_Magic said:
"I use it when I'm outnumbered and they're rushing me."


me 2 but sometimes i u's the sniper as a baseball bat
#7 Posted by Player1 (3891 posts) -

Just because its a cheap tactic, its still in the game, and its not a glitch or anything. So I use it

#8 Posted by Aaron89 (95 posts) -

The sad thing is, I almost have to use it sometimes. I can't count how many times I'm standing behind someone, or at their side, shoot the shotgun - and they turn around slowly to just kill me. The stun weakens them a bit, and lets the shot align properly (I'm guessing due to latency).

I hope they address all of these issues in the sequel. And if they do, for the most part, I won't need another game for quite some time...

#9 Posted by wefwefasdf (6729 posts) -
Aaron89 said:
"The sad thing is, I almost have to use it sometimes. I can't count how many times I'm standing behind someone, or at their side, shoot the shotgun - and they turn around slowly to just kill me. The stun weakens them a bit, and lets the shot align properly (I'm guessing due to latency).

I hope they address all of these issues in the sequel. And if they do, for the most part, I won't need another game for quite some time..."
I know exactly what you mean. Standing right behind someone firing the shotgun but nothing happening is very frustrating. At least melee you have a chance to get away if needed.
#10 Posted by Hulk (428 posts) -

Hulk use it for reasons Aaron stated above.  Whenever Hulk in laggy games he can either take his chances with standing right behind a guy and firing into him twice, only to not get a kill.  Or Hulk can just melee them once, wait a second, then fire and get the kill 9/10 times unless it's the host who will miraculously get away some times.

Hulk not so much have problem with two piece, just laggy games where the host and players near the host can just run through everything anyone throws at them, lancer, pistol, shotgun shots, and just melee them right in the face and two piece.

#11 Posted by mandeponium (275 posts) -

I find that no tactic is completely noobish. If someone's doing it a lot, I can usually stop them before too long.

#12 Posted by Arkthemaniac (6535 posts) -

I suck at it, therefore don't do it. I just shoot them with the shotgun and skip step 1. Works most of the time.

#13 Posted by crunkmeisterJT (8 posts) -

I feel the time for this topic has gone by, yet I am obliged to say that this no worse than sticking grenades next to weapon spawn points, or throwing smokes and hovering over people with chainsaws. Therefore, I think that it although annoying, it is a legitimate technique.

#14 Posted by TheFreeMan (2712 posts) -

If I'm close to a guy, I use it. The game has too much lag and other random glitches/factors, and I can't rely on a normal shotgun blast anymore. The melee usually ensures it, but sometimes it doesn't.

If a guy's moving up to two-piece me, and I know of it, I usually just Lancer him down while he's coming towards me. If he comes up from behind and surprises me but still fails, I generally chainsaw him.

#15 Posted by natetodamax (19217 posts) -

It's a cheap tactic, but it's the only way to get kills without getting incredibly lucky.

#16 Posted by turbomonkey138 (4950 posts) -

its annoying but it works

#17 Posted by BiggerBomb (6944 posts) -

Meh, fair is fair. I have no problem with it. All that I find to be bullshit is grenade tagging. It's fucked up.

#18 Posted by carlthenimrod (1597 posts) -

It's very easy to counter so I don't see how it is cheap. Just walk backwards and shoot them in the face.

#19 Posted by halfameatball (119 posts) -

Epic made a lot of poor decisions when trying to balance gears, they really should not have changed the two piece the way they did. It would have been just fine by including stopping power, which makes it hard to even get close enough to an aware player to two piece. Instead they decided to make your character pause awkwardly and make the hit detection after a melee terrible which makes the tactic annoying to use, and therefore, the game more annoying to play.

The shotgun use to feel so good, but now it is nerfed and kind of feels like garbage. Instead of taking the power of the two piece away and ruining the beauty of that shotgun, they should have just continued to improve other tactics to stop the two piece. You don't improve a game by making weapons worse, you balance the game by making other weapons better I think. This is why a lot of people who were in love with Gears 1 are not playing Gears 2 online. Seems like Epic tries to balance their game too much and the result is the alienation of players who supported the online in the first game. I like Gears 2 and play it constantly, but if they continue this one step forward one step back approach I see more people getting frustrated and leaving the online behind.

#20 Posted by ParanoidFreak (1461 posts) -
mandeponium said:
"I find that no tactic is completely noobish. If someone's doing it a lot, I can usually stop them before too long."
  The two-piece requires a lot of skill. I've played with the #24 player and he was amazing at it. He could charge into large groups of people and two-piece them all.
#21 Posted by Kratos81 (411 posts) -
halfameatball said:
"Epic made a lot of poor decisions when trying to balance gears, they really should not have changed the two piece the way they did. It would have been just fine by including stopping power, which makes it hard to even get close enough to an aware player to two piece. Instead they decided to make your character pause awkwardly and make the hit detection after a melee terrible which makes the tactic annoying to use, and therefore, the game more annoying to play. The shotgun use to feel so good, but now it is nerfed and kind of feels like garbage. Instead of taking the power of the two piece away and ruining the beauty of that shotgun, they should have just continued to improve other tactics to stop the two piece. You don't improve a game by making weapons worse, you balance the game by making other weapons better I think. This is why a lot of people who were in love with Gears 1 are not playing Gears 2 online. Seems like Epic tries to balance their game too much and the result is the alienation of players who supported the online in the first game. I like Gears 2 and play it constantly, but if they continue this one step forward one step back approach I see more people getting frustrated and leaving the online behind."
I played Gears1 online for almost a year, I was done with Gears2 in a month or 2. The Mp sucks in so many ways, that I just couldnt bring myself to play any more. I went to game crazy today and there were 20 used copies of this in the shelf, you couldnt find a used copy of gears1 for the first year. Everyone seems to hate this game for good reason.
#22 Posted by Ossi (1229 posts) -

I use it quite often, because a lot of people are dumb and try and get super close to me when I have my shotgun out. And it's harder to do in Gears 2 than Gears 1 due to the aim assist being weaker in 2. If you think it's cheap, come in with a flamethrower, bait his melee, roll back and blast him - problem solved.

#23 Posted by natetodamax (19217 posts) -
ParanoidFreak said:
"mandeponium said:
"I find that no tactic is completely noobish. If someone's doing it a lot, I can usually stop them before too long."
  The two-piece requires a lot of skill. I've played with the #24 player and he was amazing at it. He could charge into large groups of people and two-piece them all."
EIther that, or they all just sucked.
#24 Edited by ParanoidFreak (1461 posts) -
natetodamax said:
"ParanoidFreak said:
"mandeponium said:
EIther that, or they all just sucked."
  Of course they weren't on his level, he is above almost everyone in the world at the game.
#25 Posted by halfameatball (119 posts) -
Kratos81 said:
"halfameatball said:
"Epic made a lot of poor decisions when trying to balance gears, they really should not have changed the two piece the way they did. It would have been just fine by including stopping power, which makes it hard to even get close enough to an aware player to two piece. Instead they decided to make your character pause awkwardly and make the hit detection after a melee terrible which makes the tactic annoying to use, and therefore, the game more annoying to play. The shotgun use to feel so good, but now it is nerfed and kind of feels like garbage. Instead of taking the power of the two piece away and ruining the beauty of that shotgun, they should have just continued to improve other tactics to stop the two piece. You don't improve a game by making weapons worse, you balance the game by making other weapons better I think. This is why a lot of people who were in love with Gears 1 are not playing Gears 2 online. Seems like Epic tries to balance their game too much and the result is the alienation of players who supported the online in the first game. I like Gears 2 and play it constantly, but if they continue this one step forward one step back approach I see more people getting frustrated and leaving the online behind."
I played Gears1 online for almost a year, I was done with Gears2 in a month or 2. The Mp sucks in so many ways, that I just couldnt bring myself to play any more. I went to game crazy today and there were 20 used copies of this in the shelf, you couldnt find a used copy of gears1 for the first year. Everyone seems to hate this game for good reason.
"
Are you saying that is because two piecing or because of how they keep fucking the game up by changing things and making their "improvements"? I think when all is said and done, I will also be done with Gears 2 a lot quicker than I was done with the first Gears. By the way, did you play a lot of player match in Gears 1? I did and it pisses me off that they took away the custom games lobbies we use to have to choose from. That is what me and my buddies always use to go to, but now we have to play with tons of quitters in ranked matches. I don't know, they made some poor decisions.
#26 Posted by Kratos81 (411 posts) -

The 2 piecing is not the problem for me, its everything else. I hate the match making as a whole. It just dosent work for gears, I have been a man down to many times after waiting 5 fucking min to get into the game, not to mention the teams always seem to be over stacked on one side. When I get into a game that is set up right its great, but that seems to take to long to happen.

#27 Posted by halfameatball (119 posts) -

Agreed. Not only do I get stuck on teams without a full 5, but when I do the rest of my team seems to have been infected with the the d-bag kill stealing syndrome or no brain whatsoever. This is why I feel that it is unfortunate that they took out lobbies with hosts that could boot these people who bring the game down. Yeah there was lag and host advantage in Gears 1, but it was fun to play and you had the option of getting rid of terrible players. I don't have a clan that is able to play at all hours of the day, so it would be nice to play games with other competent individuals rather than the people I get paired with in matchmaking.

#28 Posted by crunkmeisterJT (8 posts) -

The random host selection is what really annoys me though. Me, having an awful connection, or someone else who has a great connection? It always seems to choose me. This results in crappy games and me getting hate off other players. Why can't they just choose the player with the best connection. They would get host advantage, but it is still better than having me host, and not play at all.

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