" @WinterSnowblind: Just a small clarification: a quick look at the official car list for Forza 3 shows a little over 400 cars, with a number of repeated models as well, like with GT (I count 5 M3s, 9 Corvettes and 17 Porsche 911s, for example).
 
What I don't get is the constant bickering about Forza 3 vs Gran Turismo 5. If you just have a 360, you're getting (or already own) Forza 3. If you only have a PS3, you're getting Gran Turismo 5. If you can't stand the sight of a standard car, and 200 (!) premium cars ain't enough for you, then don't buy the game, I guess. 
 
As for whether or not standard cars should even be an issue with people, it's really up to them and what they're coming to the game for. At the end of this video, you can see that some standard models don't look so hot under scrutiny, but during the race itself it's not an issue worth thinking about, especially for people who don't use exterior views (I'd assume that's the majority of people who are in any way serious about the game). "

" Standard is probably a bit of an overstatement.
 

 

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Personally I'd like to see the "number of cars" quick-marketing bullet point disappear.
At some point I think we have to say car counting has lost all meaning.
 
I think they should all agree to just put "hundreds of cars" on the back of their packages from now on and focus on other stuff.

" @onarum: ...that's from GT4.  In GT5 all standard models have 3d rims, and the surfaces aren't flat like that.  Some guy used the same image on GT-Planet and people who own the game, shot him down quick.  On topic:  GT PSP had cockpit view for all cars, it lacked a wheel and crap...but it still had one.  Why couldn't they do that with the standard models? "

" @onarum: ...that's from GT4.  In GT5 all standard models have 3d rims, and the surfaces aren't flat like that.  Some guy used the same image on GT-Planet and people who own the game, shot him down quick.  On topic:  GT PSP had cockpit view for all cars, it lacked a wheel and crap...but it still had one.  Why couldn't they do that with the standard models? "

The fact that I'm not going to be able to swap out my wheels on all 800 standard cars is a real bummer, kinda a game breaker. Does this mean tuning the suspension on a standard car won't lower it's stance? I guess I'll be sticking with Premium cars for the duration of the game, since I play in cockpit view. Everything else feels weird and arcade-ish.

Wait a second wait a second. So you're telling me that only 200 of these cars are actually fully customizable?! and that 800-something are all just upgrades from GT4?!? WTF?!

More premium cars, coming soon via DLC! Just you watch...time constraints my ass.

Why can't they change wheels? 
 
Anyway I bet PD in about 2 years time will bring out a patch making all cars premium, or have GT6's cars all premium.

@ShaunassNZ 
 
I sincerely doubt that man, 
 
two reasons 
 
Disk space 
Time & Money 
 
The incentive just isn't there, There may be DLC of cars or tracks, but the whole hog of cars just doesn't make sense to me

" So I'm guessing most of the used cars will be standard?  I wish they said which cars are standard and which are premium in the enormous list of cars released earlier. "

" I got over the standard with no interior thing because of the man hours involved. But the standard with only stock wheels really ticks me off. Again, can't wait for this game but wtf, what generation is this? "

"

Wait a second wait a second. So you're telling me that only 200 of these cars are actually fully customizable?! and that 800-something are all just upgrades from GT4?!? WTF?!

"

" Why can't they change wheels?  Anyway I bet PD in about 2 years time will bring out a patch making all cars premium, or have GT6's cars all premium. "

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 @xyzygy said:

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Wait a second wait a second. So you're telling me that only 200 of these cars are actually fully customizable?! and that 800-something are all just upgrades from GT4?!? WTF?!

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WTF is that the game ain't out so everybody is filling in the gaps with their own conclusion from what people see on youtube. Every single car is customizable as in you can tune them, add a turbo etc. You know performance upgrades where it counts. That shit been in since GT1. What is not "customizable" is probably paint jobs and such, but since Gt has never been known for that, there's a chance that not even the 200 Premium cars even have that feature at all. Until I get my hands on it, I can't fully say other than use sound judgement of simple logic.  "

" @StaticFalconar said:

"
 @xyzygy said:

"

Wait a second wait a second. So you're telling me that only 200 of these cars are actually fully customizable?! and that 800-something are all just upgrades from GT4?!? WTF?!

"

WTF is that the game ain't out so everybody is filling in the gaps with their own conclusion from what people see on youtube. Every single car is customizable as in you can tune them, add a turbo etc. You know performance upgrades where it counts. That shit been in since GT1. What is not "customizable" is probably paint jobs and such, but since Gt has never been known for that, there's a chance that not even the 200 Premium cars even have that feature at all. Until I get my hands on it, I can't fully say other than use sound judgement of simple logic.  "

I wasn't talking about tuning, I know you can tune all the cars. That's like the point of the game. I was talking about paint jobs and wheels and rims. I LOVE customizing my cars like that and I'm surprised they haven't made that a feature in GT5. "

The way I look at it is the premium cars are the ones to buy – the others are there to fill up the track and add variety. It is a really odd design choice though to have the cars mixed and matched in quality. I wonder if they started to create all the cars as remium and then once they got so far in realized what they got themselves into. I'm sure GT6 will use the exact same models from GT5, as well as adding new ones, and just add more post-processing effects on them if it's on a next gen platform. I'm sure the base models can really be enhanced with post-processing with more powerful hardware. If they keep making new premium models they may have 500 total ready for GT6 in a few years. Who knows, PD could have a lot of half-finished premium model cars in their assets right now. I know it's been reported they're already working on GT6.

The Toyota AE86 is Standard....and I will love it regardless.  >.>

Hmm, kind of bummed that the standard cars won't have interiors as that's the only way I play racing games (Unless it's super arcade-y). I understand the massive undertaking that would be though, especially considering the amount of detail GT5 is aiming for. Forza has some problems with the interior view (GT40's speedometer needle disappearing into the dial, some low-res textures) I am glad every car had that option. 
 
I can't really see myself playing a simulation racer from third-person perspective but I am still excited for GT5.

" I understand the massive undertaking that would be though, "

" The Toyota AE86 is Standard....and I will love it regardless.  >.> "

" @KaosAngel said:

" The Toyota AE86 is Standard....and I will love it regardless.  >.> "

Puh-shaw...  I'd rather roam in the pop-up head light Mazda MX-5. "

" @animateria said:

" @KaosAngel said:

" The Toyota AE86 is Standard....and I will love it regardless.  >.> "

Puh-shaw...  I'd rather roam in the pop-up head light Mazda MX-5. "

Then I guess we shall have a duel tomorrow night, of the downhill drifting kind. "

"

Wait a second wait a second. So you're telling me that only 200 of these cars are actually fully customizable?! and that 800-something are all just upgrades from GT4?!? WTF?!

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As petty and superficial as it may be, I'm disappointed that you can't change the wheels on standard cars. I want some Volk TE-37's painted white on my 3rd gen Integra Type-R, like the many I've seen in the issues of Import Tuner, Sports Compact Car, and Super Street during the late 90's-- for the young or uninitiated, these are magazines by the way (they're like web articles but printed on paper LOL!).