I think Roman was a better character than Niko.

#1 Edited by I_smell (3926 posts) -

Lets really LOOK AT who Roman is, for a sec.

Fast cars, fast women, let's go bowling etc.

He's all excited to get Niko over to the US, and gives him a load of lies about the American dream. You feel like this is probably what people told Roman before he got there, and he's using the same trick. I bet a lot of people in real life emigrate from Europe to the US looking for the land of the free. Right from the start, that's pretty interesting.

He talks a lot about starting the cab company. Considering he came over looking for the land of opporunity and ended up living in a 1-room appartment, it's pretty much the only thing he has any pride in- and it's not great. When it burns down, he really goes nuts at Niko.

What does Roman want in life?

Titties, obviously. But apart from that, he spends half the game in a kind-of ass-kissey relationship with Brucie. Brucie's a hyper confident alpha male, and it says a lot about Roman that this is the guy he loves to hang out with.

Roman is insecure about a lot of things INCASE YOU DIDN'T NOTICE. That's why he loves Brucie.

Roman's insecurities are pretty clear through the amount of gay-jokes he makes, the fact that he goes to strip bars so much, and that he gives Niko a hard time about how he's dressed, how he looks, and that he's not meeting any girls. He's into gambling and drinking and strippers because his actual life is crap- which we can see in cutscenes. I'm not even saying this is deep-down psychology stuff, I'm just sayin this is what you can SEE when you play the game normally. He's a crude guy on the surface, but it's clearly to cover up the fact that he's a complete baby. Y'know- like how people in real life are.

Roman wants to be respected by Niko at the start of the game, but after a while he starts to think Niko is actually a maniac. For example; he's lieing to Niko about how many women he sleeps with on day 1, but after about 10 missions he says "You're here on some revenge mission for something that happened 10 years ago, and you don't care who's life you ruin on the way." before leaving you alone for a while to restart his company. By the end of the game, Roman talks to Niko like he's practically addicted to killing people. On one of the last missions he says "No more killing. I'm trying to start a new life here, let's just take this money and get out, you don't have to kill another person."

The way Roman builds his new company, marries that girl (not a clue what her name was), and is almost begging Niko to stop fucking murdering people is him growing up. There's NO DOUBT that he changes over the course of the game, for the better. We know what he's scared of, we know why he's here, we know everything about Roman the same way we know a real person. There is at least a couple layers of depth to this character between what he thinks of himself, and what he wants Niko to think of him.

NIKO, on the other hand...

Niko is in America to get revenge on "that special someone".

Niko meets up with Roman, and I think his 3rd mission is to stab some dudes to death, and his 4th mission is to throw a brick through a guy's window. It escalates, and y'know, he couriers drugs and robs a bank soon enough, kills basically a million dudes without ever saying no, and dives head-first into the mafia. His excuse is that he does it all to get closer to the guy he's after-- but come on.. You don't kill a million guys just to track down 1.

He kicks the shit out of anyone who goes near Roman; gets him kidnapped, gets his business burnt down, and thinks very little of anyone you make friends with in the game. Except Packie, I think.

I never really got a sense of Niko's personality, except for that he won't stand for shit, will pretty much go with anything, and makes friends easily. He talks about his backstory a lot: He joined the armed forces really young and saw some real bad shit. He saw the world while he was in the navy, and really doesn't like America. He has more pride than Roman, but zero morals. He talks down to every character in the game, and doesn't grow up or learn any lessons for the whole story.

This is without mentioning that he roars out loud when you fire a machine gun. I think he's a mug, with as much personality as a brick. I'm bringing this up now, because GTA 5 is a thing, and I think most people remember liking Niko and hating Roman.

It's fine to hate Roman as a person, cos he's not likable, but I think he's a way better character than Niko. So I want more Romans, more Brucies, more of those biker guys, and no more Nikos.

#2 Posted by Joeybagad0nutz (1437 posts) -

I liked Roman. But fuck brucie....

#3 Posted by TheHBK (5404 posts) -

Man, fuck Roman, he fucks up everything and lies to Niko. Now I don't like Niko much either, but man Roman was a little piece of shit.

#4 Posted by MooseyMcMan (9718 posts) -

Roman definitely made a good support character, but I don't think he could really carry a game like Niko did.

#5 Posted by Witzig (326 posts) -

I felt bad for Brucie after TBGT.

#6 Posted by PeasantAbuse (5120 posts) -

I just want to point out that Niko also likes Little Jacob in addition to Packie.

#7 Posted by RockinKemosabe (619 posts) -

"Hey Niko, want to go bowling?"

Hangs up.

Pretty much the extent of my relationship with Roman.

#8 Posted by Joeybagad0nutz (1437 posts) -

@PeasantAbuse said:

I just want to point out that Niko also likes Little Jacob in addition to Packie.

Yea, but Packie is the greatest thing to come out of GTA IV.

#9 Posted by phantomzxro (1530 posts) -

As a support character roman is cool but as a main i don't know. He just seemed like a screw up which is cool because there are many people like that. But he just does not really grow to much of anything but a stand up guy at the end. I think Niko was ok but was to many shades of gray and did not have the range to wear all these hats of a killer and a stand up guy.

#10 Posted by PeasantAbuse (5120 posts) -

@Joeybagad0nutz said:

@PeasantAbuse said:

I just want to point out that Niko also likes Little Jacob in addition to Packie.

Yea, but Packie is the greatest thing to come out of GTA IV.

Yeah, he does have the best mission in the whole game.

#11 Edited by I_smell (3926 posts) -

Oh I don't think he should be a main character at all, I just think he's got more to him than Niko.

@Witzig said:

I felt bad for Brucie after TBGT.

I forgot to play Ballad of Gay Tony, but now I really want to.

#12 Posted by TobbRobb (4399 posts) -

Niko is just a thing, his only purpose is to bring the player into the story. He gets less personality to let the pleyer give one to him, the real strength in GTA charcters lie in the supporting cast, like Roman, like Packie.

Oh, and Brucie was just a living joke. I really don't think he was supposed to be taken like a serious character, at all.

#13 Posted by Joeybagad0nutz (1437 posts) -

@PeasantAbuse said:

@Joeybagad0nutz said:

@PeasantAbuse said:

I just want to point out that Niko also likes Little Jacob in addition to Packie.

Yea, but Packie is the greatest thing to come out of GTA IV.

Yeah, he does have the best mission in the whole game.

To be honest, I really wished they made a DLC with Packie as the lead. I would have bought that one in a heart beat.

#14 Posted by Gabriel (4050 posts) -

@Joeybagad0nutz said:

@PeasantAbuse said:

I just want to point out that Niko also likes Little Jacob in addition to Packie.

Yea, but Packie is the greatest thing to come out of GTA IV.

eh I liked his older brother but did not care for Packie at all.

#15 Posted by Joeybagad0nutz (1437 posts) -

@Gabriel said:

@Joeybagad0nutz said:

@PeasantAbuse said:

I just want to point out that Niko also likes Little Jacob in addition to Packie.

Yea, but Packie is the greatest thing to come out of GTA IV.

eh I liked his older brother but did not care for Packie at all.

Which one? Gerry or the one that actually came from Ireland (His name escapes me)

#16 Posted by ABritishNerd (318 posts) -

@Joeybagad0nutz said:

@PeasantAbuse said:

I just want to point out that Niko also likes Little Jacob in addition to Packie.

Yea, but Packie is the greatest thing to come out of GTA IV.

Agreed, I'd loved to have a DLC following Packie before he met Niko, I would have shelled out my MSP instantly.@I_smell said:

marries that girl (not a clue what her name was)

Mallorie

#17 Posted by Gabriel (4050 posts) -

@Joeybagad0nutz said:

@Gabriel said:

@Joeybagad0nutz said:

@PeasantAbuse said:

I just want to point out that Niko also likes Little Jacob in addition to Packie.

Yea, but Packie is the greatest thing to come out of GTA IV.

eh I liked his older brother but did not care for Packie at all.

Which one? Gerry or the one that actually came from Ireland (His name escapes me)

Gerry the other one sucked though I did like the cop Mcreary he was a good character.

#18 Posted by MikeGosot (3227 posts) -

I fuckin' LOVED Roman. He seemed like a good guy. And he grows, just like you said, so... I ended up thinking he was very awesome. Also, Niko is just... You know... Niko.

#19 Posted by Elyk247 (361 posts) -

The best character in the game was by far Phil Bell, that guy with Pegorino. He was cool, but most of all smart.

But yeah, Roman was a much more interesting personality than Niko.

#20 Posted by SuperCycle (330 posts) -

"I'm leaving here with Roman!" It's because I loved Roman so much that I always chose to make a deal at the end. It had more of an impact that way. I hated Kate.

#21 Posted by kmdrkul (3476 posts) -

Gosh I loved Roman. I was pissed when he was gunned down.

Also, it appears as if the italics function on Giant Bomb is totally fucked up for me.

#22 Posted by Dry_Carton (76 posts) -

@I_smell said:

Brucie's a hyper confident alpha male, and it says a lot about Roman that this is the guy he loves to hang out with.

@Joeybagad0nutz said:

I liked Roman. But fuck brucie....

I think you've both completely misunderstood Brucie here. Brucie is very insecure and only wants to present himself as, and wishes he were, a "hyper-confident alpha male". He even unintentionally lets you know how he used to be fat and get bullied.

#23 Posted by The_LMFAO_Guy (192 posts) -

Which ending was canon, "Deal" or "Revenge"?

#24 Posted by LordXavierBritish (6320 posts) -

BIG AMERICAN TITTIES

#25 Posted by Joeybagad0nutz (1437 posts) -

@Dry_Carton: I didn't really care for his character but he was alright. My main reason for hating him was the fact I hated his missions. IDK about you but when came to car specific missions in a gta series (Like racing) I always despised doing those missions.

#26 Posted by the_OFFICIAL_jAPanese_teaBAG (4307 posts) -

@I_smell said:

Oh I don't think he should be a main character at all, I just think he's got more to him than Niko.

@Witzig said:

I felt bad for Brucie after TBGT.

I forgot to play Ballad of Gay Tony, but now I really want to.

Play it! Its so good.... You know the shotgun in the Expendables? Yeah.

and theres kind of a lesson at the end of the game? I think...

#27 Posted by Nottle (1912 posts) -

I think the cast overall in GTAIV was pretty good. I really liked Niko, but Roman was a character i genuinely liked despite being a bit of an ass hole. In the end he was a good guy, just a buffoon.

#28 Edited by MikkaQ (10224 posts) -

That's why I found the end of the game unsatisfying. Niko doesn't really develop as a character. I've always liked Roman better.

@kmdrkul said:

Gosh I loved Roman. I was pissed when he was gunned down.

Also, it appears as if the italics function on Giant Bomb is totally fucked up for me.

This happened to me and I reloaded, and I did the other mission, which resulted in Packie's sister dying, who was... boring, so whatever.

#29 Posted by Guided_By_Tigers (8060 posts) -

Brucie was the best.

#30 Posted by Gabriel (4050 posts) -

@The_LMFAO_Guy said:

Which ending was canon, "Deal" or "Revenge"?

Deal was the more impactful for me cause I thought Kate was a shit character, and I didn't care she got Iced.

#31 Posted by SeriouslyNow (8534 posts) -

Admit you're gay for Brucie, Cuzen.

#32 Posted by Gabriel (4050 posts) -

Also Packie sucked because he was apart of that kidnapping mission where I thought the game started to go bad.

#33 Posted by themangalist (1675 posts) -

Very nice type up. Truly spectacular analysis of the two characters.
 
Well VIDEO GAME killed Niko as a character. If GTA4 got a proper movie treatment, cut out the crap where he just wastes a platoon of dudes and do dumb fetch quests for everyone while having a buttload of cash that could basically support his whole life if he lives on $1 hotdogs... then yes, Niko would be amazing. I try to imagine in my head that.

#34 Posted by Xtrememuffinman (958 posts) -

Roman was definitely the best part of GTAIV. Him and the Playboy X/ Dwayne decision.

#35 Edited by I_smell (3926 posts) -

@Dry_Carton said:

I think you've both completely misunderstood Brucie here. Brucie is very insecure and only wants to present himself as, and wishes he were, a "hyper-confident alpha male". He even unintentionally lets you know how he used to be fat and get bullied.

Oh, yea I know. I didn't wanna make it super long, so I just wrote stuff that was relevant to Roman. TO ROMAN: Brucie is just a super cool guy.

Niko sees through it, so that's why Niko teases Brucie a lot more.

@Gabriel said:

Also Packie sucked because he was apart of that kidnapping mission where I thought the game started to go bad.

The one where Niko punches a girl in the back o the head cos she won't shut up? yyyeeeeaaahhhhhh...

@LordXavierBritish said:

BIG AMERICAN TITTIES

I think you mean BEEEG AMYEREECAN TEETEEEEEZZ! EHEHEHEH!!!

#36 Posted by TheDudeOfGaming (6077 posts) -

Hey, what can i say, us Serbs are likable dudes...if you can get past the swearing and the heavy drinking.

#37 Posted by TeflonBilly (4722 posts) -

@the_OFFICIAL_jAPanese_teaBAG said:

@I_smell said:

Oh I don't think he should be a main character at all, I just think he's got more to him than Niko.

@Witzig said:

I felt bad for Brucie after TBGT.

I forgot to play Ballad of Gay Tony, but now I really want to.

Play it! Its so good.... You know the shotgun in the Expendables? Yeah.

and theres kind of a lesson at the end of the game? I think...

I never managed to get into Ballad Of Gay Tony. Which is a shame cause I was really looking forward to it. The setting and story looked awesome.

It just started off on such a messy and unrefined note. The deficiencies in the handling of everything from the shooting to the driving in the game really stood out after all that time had passed.

I loved The Lost And The Damned though. I thought it was way better than the main GTA IV game in every way, brother

#38 Posted by AngelN7 (2959 posts) -

Brucie was awesome what are you talking about BRO! , in The Ballad of Gay Tony you met his brother Maurie wich is a Big douche to him kinda I felt bad for him , I don´t know if I have any favorites Yusuf from TBOGT was really funny and Little Jacob was cool cat , I like the entire cast of GTA IV all great characters, and the ones in Episodes from LC at least TBOGT were all great I didn´t care much for the Lost in their episode only Jhonny.

#39 Posted by PeasantAbuse (5120 posts) -

@I_smell: I think Niko hit Gracie because she kept trying to crash the car, not because of the talking.

#40 Posted by I_smell (3926 posts) -
@PeasantAbuse: Oh right yeah.
 
Yeah I was more annoyed at the time cos I was havin fun steering around that. Now I remember.
#41 Posted by nintendoeats (5975 posts) -

If Roman was the main character of the game, then he would have been the one shooting a million dudes. Niko was as close as they realistically could have come to a character that was consistent between story and gameplay without coming across as totally psychotic.

#42 Posted by afrofools (1284 posts) -

I liked all the characters, except Niko because in gameplay he would fumble around in combat and end up getting shot. Thankfully in the episodes games the character's didn't really do any fumbling around. If you don't know what I mean nevermind. Randomly losing balance, not aiming the gun etc. Niko was a dull character because he fulfils the role of a vessel for the story, for the other character to talk to.

Playing as Brucie would be more fun, less serious, but overall more fun. His whole act of being the big shot man's-man would provide more comical moments and insane gameplay.

#43 Posted by regularassmilk (1369 posts) -

I think supporting characters kind of had to be spelled out. I had a pretty good sense of Niko as a person by the end of that game. I could basically tell you all about Roman an hour in. Niko is left ambiguous. You can't necessarily completely flush out his character, if the player is making a lot of the moral decisions. Niko has stuff going on, but what you do makes Niko a certain person too.

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