**Spoilers ahead** Did the ending of GTA dissapoint anyone else?

#1 Posted by Psynapse (1064 posts) -

Hi guys, I picked deal for GTA... and i have to say i was a tad disapointed at the ending.. The leading up to the end of the game was really good, until after the wedding... The chase for Dimitri was anything but epic, and the ending was just weird and left me sitting there going.... 'Uhh WTF?'... Now Kate won't even answer the phone the stupid bitch (havn't done the warm coffee achievement yet...)..

Did anyone else kind of find that it was abit less than what they thought the ending would be? Yeah it was sad and whatever... But i would have been so much happier if it ended at the wedding...

Care to comment guys?

#2 Posted by HistoryInRust (6348 posts) -

I mean, it depends on the ending.  Choose to kill Dimitri, and Kate dies. 

Well, now that I write that, I guess it doesn't really depend on the ending.  Aside from Niko's character development, the narrative in GTA IV was pretty lackluster all-around.  Mostly hampered by the repetitive mission design, the storyline as an entity worked on too many cliches and clear plot devices to be truly satisfying. 

So, long story short, yes.  A disappointment.  I liked the game, but man, it could have exceeded in numerous ways.  It felt very much like a "status quo" Grand Theft Auto.

#3 Posted by dankempster (2253 posts) -

I chose revenge, and I was a little bit disappointed by that ending. Given how much we learn about Niko through the game, and how much the player's choices can influence and build on his personality, I didn't feel the ending really offered enough closure. After the events at the wedding, Niko is still a deeply troubled guy and I didn't feel the ending provided a solution for him. Perhaps Rockstar are keeping it open with the intention of adding to the story, though (DLC's on the way).

#4 Posted by Psynapse (1064 posts) -

Well yeah i guess that the DLC is on the way as you said... And after the less than satisfying ending, i'll be probably picking this up to see what happens next... Damn rockstar making me spend all of my money!!

#5 Posted by TEAMHOLT (437 posts) -

The ending where Kate dies was pretty bad, mostly because the game failed to really make her matter too much to you.

Roman's ending kind of had a point, though: Even when Niko tried to do the right thing by burying a grudge and moving on, shit still didn't work out. That's life.
#6 Posted by PufferFiz (1383 posts) -

i didnt think the DLC would really continue the story where it left off but just add more missions and and island or something.
ill never know i have it on the ps3 but i liked the ending i was disappointed that kate died and i thought they could have done something more at the end .

#7 Posted by twenty0ne (3071 posts) -

Nah, I thought it was pretty good. But I haven't played any other GTA games, so I have nothing to base my opinion on.

#8 Posted by SpaceInsomniac (3843 posts) -
TEAMHOLT said:
"The ending where Kate dies was pretty bad, mostly because the game failed to really make her matter too much to you.
Roman's ending kind of had a point, though: Even when Niko tried to do the right thing by burying a grudge and moving on, shit still didn't work out. That's life.
"
No, that's crime.  The whole point of the game is that crime doesn't pay.    And I couldn't agree more about Kate.  They really didn't make her matter very much at all.  I saved, saw both endings, and left my game with Kate dead.  I couldn't have cared less.
#9 Posted by MattBodega (1907 posts) -

I thought it was one of the greatest endings in the history of video games. So much violence, motivated by money and revenge, and for what? What did Nico actually accomplish?
Allowing Nico to understand the futility of his own actions-which, slyly, allows the player to realize the futility of their in-game "choices", and the "lie" of Free-Roaming games(that there is no freedom, and the player is still being led around by the designers at every turn)- was one of the smartest, saddest video game endings. After finishing that game, I couldn't't touch my 360 for weeks. I was shaken up.

#10 Posted by ZombieHunterOG (3530 posts) -
MattBodega said:
"I thought it was one of the greatest endings in the history of video games. So much violence, motivated by money and revenge, and for what? What did Nico actually accomplish?
Allowing Nico to understand the futility of his own actions-which, slyly, allows the player to realize the futility of their in-game "choices", and the "lie" of Free-Roaming games(that there is no freedom, and the player is still being led around by the designers at every turn)- was one of the smartest, saddest video game endings. After finishing that game, I couldn't't touch my 360 for weeks. I was shaken up.
"
your weird :P
#11 Posted by HistoryInRust (6348 posts) -
MattBodega said:
"I thought it was one of the greatest endings in the history of video games. So much violence, motivated by money and revenge, and for what? What did Nico actually accomplish?
Allowing Nico to understand the futility of his own actions-which, slyly, allows the player to realize the futility of their in-game "choices", and the "lie" of Free-Roaming games(that there is no freedom, and the player is still being led around by the designers at every turn)- was one of the smartest, saddest video game endings. After finishing that game, I couldn't't touch my 360 for weeks. I was shaken up.
"
I have to disagree with this entirely. 

That said, hyperbolic interpretations like these are that which compel me to experience the art in question once again.  So, thank you, Matt, because I may just start a new campaign in GTA IV to try and immerse myself in the same feeling.
#12 Posted by Psynapse (1064 posts) -
MattBodega said:
"I thought it was one of the greatest endings in the history of video games. So much violence, motivated by money and revenge, and for what? What did Nico actually accomplish?
Allowing Nico to understand the futility of his own actions-which, slyly, allows the player to realize the futility of their in-game "choices", and the "lie" of Free-Roaming games(that there is no freedom, and the player is still being led around by the designers at every turn)- was one of the smartest, saddest video game endings. After finishing that game, I couldn't't touch my 360 for weeks. I was shaken up.
"

I definitly agree with you there Matt, like i said the ending missions were really good, with Dimitri killing Pegorino etc and that was really good and all the twists and turns in the game was fantastic... But the ending when you killed Dimitri, and then it just stops... It felt like it was missing something... That hole that i have will hopefully be filled in the DLC.
#13 Posted by alexl86 (627 posts) -

I guess the revenge ending depends a little on how many dates you go on. I guess the game expects you to go one three to four dates with her before she's killed. I didn't think it was really missing something, Pegorino was pissed because he lost money and pretty much everything else, so he tried to gun Niko down and hit Kate, Niko takes revenge.

#14 Posted by Balls (525 posts) -

Yeah, it did. I was hoping for more gore especially after all the build up. 

#15 Edited by BiggerBomb (6944 posts) -

No, but it is the closest a video game has ever gotten to making me cry. I was sad about Kate's death for weeks after I finished the story and it made me feel kind of empty inside. I loved the ending and the theme was brilliant, in its expression of the frivolity of revenge and the destruction it can do to you and the ones you love.

Deep, right?

#16 Posted by TheGamerGeek (2499 posts) -

Just to get this straight, if you make a deal with Demitri, UL Paper kill's Roman right?Because I just killed the guy and I was pretty depressed that Kate died.I really was close to tears at the end, some games just do that kinda stuff to me.(I.E. MGS IV,  I cried after I beat that game)

#17 Posted by alexl86 (627 posts) -

I dunno if Kate's death is sad enough to warrant tears, though I can relate. Aeris's death in FFVII messed me up to the point I get choked up whenever I hear her theme.

#18 Posted by HandsomeDead (11863 posts) -

i chose revenge, which thinking about it seems like the right ending in regards to what seems canonical and I thought it was great. Very understated and very dramatic, though I would have preferred it without Little Jacob's helicopter stuff and it has just been a straight up chase to Happiness Island.

Peronsonally, I believe the problem everyone seems to have with this game is they came in expecting more of San Andreas, which in my opinion was just too gimmick heavy, so with all that stuff stripped away, people complain and totally ignore how well done the story is.

#19 Posted by RHCPfan24 (8609 posts) -

I liked the ending.  I chose revenge and the leadup to Pegerino's death was pretty neat.  I feel that GTA4 had a great story and presentation. 

#20 Posted by DavidSnakes (675 posts) -
TEAMHOLT said:
"The ending where Kate dies was pretty bad, mostly because the game failed to really make her matter too much to you."
I really enjoyed this game, and I think it's the best GTA ever, but Kate was definitely not developed enough.
#21 Posted by suneku (2997 posts) -

I enjoyed the ending, it didn't wow me or anything but it wasn't bad.

#22 Posted by Psynapse (1064 posts) -

Yeah well i didn't go on any dates with Kate... I wanted to get the under 30 hours acheivement.. Finished it in 24 hours... So now she won't talk to me at all... (I chose deal).

So i've got no Roman, and no Kate... gay! I didn't even get the warm coffee achievement. Guess i have to go to the internet cafe now to pick up a slut :P

#23 Posted by Boring_Prophet (10 posts) -

I don't like how Pegorino was kinda shoehorned in as the main bad guy. It should've been Dimitri on Happiness Island for the "Deal" ending or it should've ended with Dimitri on The Platypus for the "Revenge" ending. Personally though, despite not being anywhere near as challenging as either ending, I really think the story should have ended with Darko.

#24 Posted by VilhelmNielsen (1738 posts) -

Looking back, I wish the game had more endings with more variations. I wish that the choices that you had made during the game would've made a difference for which ending you got, instead of it just being one choice.

#25 Posted by Brando1788 (25 posts) -

It was greatest story Ive ever seen on a video game although the ending did dissapoint me a bit(I chose revenge)and I was kinda hoping for something else to happen to end it with a bang!

#26 Posted by Joker (675 posts) -
MattBodega said:
"I thought it was one of the greatest endings in the history of video games. So much violence, motivated by money and revenge, and for what? What did Nico actually accomplish?
Allowing Nico to understand the futility of his own actions-which, slyly, allows the player to realize the futility of their in-game "choices", and the "lie" of Free-Roaming games(that there is no freedom, and the player is still being led around by the designers at every turn)- was one of the smartest, saddest video game endings. After finishing that game, I couldn't't touch my 360 for weeks. I was shaken up.
"
I think you read more into the ending that what was really there.
#27 Posted by Bennyishere (1685 posts) -

I liked the ending. I was surprised and a bit sad.

#28 Posted by Mardarkin (85 posts) -
Joker said:
"MattBodega said: I think you read more into the ending that what was really there."

Nope.  That's a pretty legit analysis of the conclusion.  The Land of the Free - and crime - is empty, a facade; the ending reflects that idea very well.
#29 Posted by creamstatic (119 posts) -
Bennyishere said:
"I liked the ending. I was surprised and a bit sad."
the ending really made me think about life. how messed up it really is for so many people. MAde me think, no matter how much good you do, there are people who are less fortunate and or born into a life of pain and are faced with only one choice, to deal with it the best they can. It speaks the story of so many lives, if not on the same gory levels. It really made me sad. It's what made me play through it twice. The story is the best out of all GTA stories so far. So many people go through life losing the ones they love too. And if you've ever lost someone you love or know what love is inside, the lead up to both endings affect you in some way. Bravo to Rockstar.
#30 Posted by MKHavoc (1307 posts) -

I got the ending where Roman dies.  I thought it was pretty sad when I got the phone call that he was having a baby.

#31 Posted by clubsandwich (3795 posts) -

The roman ending really shocked me I was like "nooooooooooooooooooooo!! D: " but then when I thought of it, it was such a crappy miserable death, that I really didn't felt sad, overall GTA IV story was meh and disappointing to me.

#32 Posted by the_OFFICIAL_jAPanese_teaBAG (4308 posts) -

necropost!  i thought it would be better to post in an existing topic rather than making my own.
i beat the game around 2 hours ago and i just felt disappointing all around.  first off, i killed demitri because he kept threatening my family and i just hated him ever since he turned on Mikhail.  I was angry when Kate died because Niko seemed really happy and i had a feeling they wouldve gotten married to be honest.  you know the mobster that killed Kate?  honest to God i forgot that i even interacted with him at some point and i thought he was a new character.  the last episode was pretty solid but the ending just felt...  not right.  i was aimlessly walking around the island for 30 minutes hoping that some crazy secret conclusion was going to happen.  i invested (what felt like) quite a bit of time into the game because of those annoying driving/following/delivery missions.  the fact that almost all the missions were like that made it even worse.  the combination of the jankiness and those repetitive missions really forced me to grind it out.  
 
i found out that there was another ending and i have a save right before the ending-altering decision however i really dont feel like playing anymore of the game.  im just tired of it

#33 Posted by VisariLoyalist (2996 posts) -

I was disappointed that it ended so yes 

#34 Posted by XanderCrews (106 posts) -

I was disappointed with the game, and story a couple hours into it.

#35 Posted by HandsomeDead (11863 posts) -
@the_OFFICIAL_jAPanese_teaBAG said:
i beat the game around 2 hours ago and i just felt disappointing all around.  first off, i killed demitri because he kept threatening my family and i just hated him ever since he turned on Mikhail.  I was angry when Kate died because Niko seemed really happy and i had a feeling they wouldve gotten married to be honest.  you know the mobster that killed Kate?  honest to God i forgot that i even interacted with him at some point and i thought he was a new character.  the last episode was pretty solid but the ending just felt...  not right.  i was aimlessly walking around the island for 30 minutes hoping that some crazy secret conclusion was going to happen. 
GTA IV is just straight up not for you.
#36 Posted by the_OFFICIAL_jAPanese_teaBAG (4308 posts) -
@HandsomeDead
yeah im gonna agree with you.  i think i was expecting too much out of the ending and i was expecting an actual conclusion to Niko Belic's story but its a GTA game so i shouldnt have expected it...
#37 Posted by HandsomeDead (11863 posts) -
@the_OFFICIAL_jAPanese_teaBAG: But there is a conclusion. The end basically says that Niko is a good guy because he doesn't feel any better after killing the last guy even if he did it expecting some revenge high. I don't really remember much else about the game because it's been so long since I'ce played it but it had far more closure than most video games that just lead right into sequel baiting.
#38 Posted by the_OFFICIAL_jAPanese_teaBAG (4308 posts) -
@HandsomeDead:  its just too bad because i really wanted Niko to get out of it and live a normal life but i knew it would never happen...  i guess i became invested in the characters and knowing that i cant really interact with them anymore.  i know i can hang out with them but ive never liked doing those activities.  yeah for my ending Roman was like "we won!" while Niko was all solemn about the whole thing.  i can say i liked how they portrayed the message but i just wasnt satisfied by the ending
#39 Posted by RedneckedCrake (311 posts) -

Sounding like a broken record in this thread because numerous people have said this, but really didn't see why Niko was so attracted to Kate. The first time I played, I chose the money, because I wanted to help support Roman and Mallory and give them a nice wedding. So when Roman got killed, I was pretty fucking pissed. That in itself told me that the ending was pretty effective in making me feel something for Niko after his cousin got killed. I mean, Roman is really all he has in terms of true family. Plus, he got killed at his fucking wedding. That's pretty awful.

Once I found out the other ending had Kate end up dead, I was really glad I chose the ending where Roman dies, or I would have been like "so what? I didn't connect with Kate much anyway"

#40 Posted by GloriousDinosaur (436 posts) -

I rememeber being shattered when Kate got slaughtered

#41 Posted by Xtrememuffinman (958 posts) -

Absolutely, I felt the order of things needed to be changed.
 
After I choose not to kill the main dude (forget his name, it's been awhile), Niko seems much more humanized. Except as I was driving home from that, I was speeding, running traffic lights, crashing into fire hydrants/people, etc. There was then another mission, where Niko is expected to go out on a murdering spree, negating the entire mercy thing. If they put finding the guy as the very last mission, it may have actually kept the impact. But as is, the game immediately contradicts itself as soon as possible. 
 
Also, frustrating GTA gameplay. I missed the jump onto the helicopter like five times and had to repeat the entire mission each time.

#42 Posted by AndyAce83 (118 posts) -

I think the point of the ending, as all GTA games, is that crime doesn´t pay. Your doomed if you do and your doomed if you don´t. Once you get in you can´t get out, and it will hurt the ones you love.

#43 Posted by ABritishNerd (318 posts) -
@AndyAce83 Bit of a late reply isn't it?
#44 Posted by Oldirtybearon (4856 posts) -

Serendipitous that this topic was dug up today, as I'm nearing the end of my second playthrough of GTA IV. As much as I enjoy it, I'm really not looking forward to the bitter ending it leaves on.

#45 Posted by r0k1ll (380 posts) -

If Kate dies, then it sucked. If Roman dies then it was awesome.

#46 Posted by Arker101 (1474 posts) -

@HandsomeDead said:

i chose revenge, which thinking about it seems like the right ending in regards to what seems canonical and I thought it was great. Very understated and very dramatic, though I would have preferred it without Little Jacob's helicopter stuff and it has just been a straight up chase to Happiness Island.Peronsonally, I believe the problem everyone seems to have with this game is they came in expecting more of San Andreas, which in my opinion was just too gimmick heavy, so with all that stuff stripped away, people complain and totally ignore how well done the story is.

I completely agree. I liked Nico so much, when Kate got shot, I felt sorry for the guy. No matter what kind of crime he does, it never pays off. That's the reason I loved the story, it made me like a group of characters who, to say it lightly, were criminals.

#47 Posted by AndyAce83 (118 posts) -

@ABritishNerd: Well... GTA V just made it current ;-) If I was a betting man I would spend good money that GTA V will have a "crime cost morality" at the end to.

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