From what I watched at PAX Prime it looks fantastic, if its no monthly fee I am so down otherwise I may just give it a try for a few months. 

@Benny

I don't understand why anyone would play The Old Republic when you could be playing this.

You know, I'm not trying to start a MMO war or anything but why would people play TOR over this?

@NekuSakuraba said:

@Benny

I don't understand why anyone would play The Old Republic when you could be playing this.

You know, I'm not trying to start a MMO war or anything but why would people play TOR over this?

Because I'm not interested in this, and am immensely interested in TOR? Why should I be super hyped for a game doing things that other games have tried and failed massively at doing? I'll play both TOR and this, but I still prefer the combat in an MMO like TOR over the combat that is apparently in this game.

@CL60

@NekuSakuraba said:

@Benny

I don't understand why anyone would play The Old Republic when you could be playing this.

You know, I'm not trying to start a MMO war or anything but why would people play TOR over this?

Because I'm not interested in this, and am immensely interested in TOR? Why should I be super hyped for a game doing things that other games have tried and failed massively at doing? I'll play both TOR and this, but I still prefer the combat in an MMO like TOR over the combat that is apparently in this game.

Way to support your argument with facts about why TOR will be any better than Guild Wars 2. I'll give you a clue, it won't.

@coakroach said:

Norn can shapeshift into bears.
Rangers can have bear pets.
Norn ranger = two bears.
Every player can potentially command two bears, so a guild of ten people is twenty bears
A modest guild of around twenty five people?
Fifty motherfucking bears No other MMO is offering this many bears per player

I'm sold.

@CL60

@NekuSakuraba said:

@Benny

I don't understand why anyone would play The Old Republic when you could be playing this.

You know, I'm not trying to start a MMO war or anything but why would people play TOR over this?

Because I'm not interested in this, and am immensely interested in TOR? Why should I be super hyped for a game doing things that other games have tried and failed massively at doing? I'll play both TOR and this, but I still prefer the combat in an MMO like TOR over the combat that is apparently in this game.

Way to support your argument with facts about why TOR will be any better than Guild Wars 2. I'll give you a clue, it won't.

@NekuSakuraba said:

@CL60

@NekuSakuraba said:

@Benny

I don't understand why anyone would play The Old Republic when you could be playing this.

You know, I'm not trying to start a MMO war or anything but why would people play TOR over this?

Because I'm not interested in this, and am immensely interested in TOR? Why should I be super hyped for a game doing things that other games have tried and failed massively at doing? I'll play both TOR and this, but I still prefer the combat in an MMO like TOR over the combat that is apparently in this game.

Way to support your argument with facts about why TOR will be any better than Guild Wars 2. I'll give you a clue, it won't.

To be fair, ArenaNet is taking some pretty big risks with GW2 that could potentially result in failure. I find their attempt to revolutionize the MMO genre admirable, and I hope it works out, but I wouldn't put money on GW2 being a better or more popular MMO than TOR.

@NekuSakuraba said:

@CL60

@NekuSakuraba said:

@Benny

I don't understand why anyone would play The Old Republic when you could be playing this.

You know, I'm not trying to start a MMO war or anything but why would people play TOR over this?

Because I'm not interested in this, and am immensely interested in TOR? Why should I be super hyped for a game doing things that other games have tried and failed massively at doing? I'll play both TOR and this, but I still prefer the combat in an MMO like TOR over the combat that is apparently in this game.

Way to support your argument with facts about why TOR will be any better than Guild Wars 2. I'll give you a clue, it won't.

"I'm not trying to start a MMO war or anything"

"someone prefers another MMO, I better insult them"

People have preferences. There are plenty of people that don't have any problems with "click and forget combat" (which, honestly, somehow leveling this as a criticism against other MMOs makes me think those people haven't played past, like, level 10, where after that you're using a skill every cooldown) or the tank/heals/dps system. There are plenty of people that will play TOR and will never give GW2 the time of day simply because TOR is sci-fi/Star Wars and GW2 is medieval/fantasy. There's no reason for you to get offended by this and start throwing insults around.

Also, the game isn't even out yet.

@NekuSakuraba said:

@CL60

@NekuSakuraba said:

@Benny

I don't understand why anyone would play The Old Republic when you could be playing this.

You know, I'm not trying to start a MMO war or anything but why would people play TOR over this?

Because I'm not interested in this, and am immensely interested in TOR? Why should I be super hyped for a game doing things that other games have tried and failed massively at doing? I'll play both TOR and this, but I still prefer the combat in an MMO like TOR over the combat that is apparently in this game.

Way to support your argument with facts about why TOR will be any better than Guild Wars 2. I'll give you a clue, it won't.

I never even said that. I said I'm more interested in the combat that WoW and TOR offers, so I don't care at all about GW2. Especially since all the games who have tried combat like this in an MMO have fallen flat on their face. You're the one who straight up said. 
 
"WHY WOULD PEOPLE PLAY TOR OVER THIS!!" 
 
And I responded with the obvious answer of. "Because I prefer the gameplay in an MMO like TOR." I also said I will play them both, but I know for a fact I will enjoy TOR more because I hate the type of combat that GW2 is offering in an MMO.

as someone thats been playing guild wars for the first time (got it in the steam sale) and thinking its fucking amazing, and questioning myself why i never played it before... im incredibly excited about gw2. will it be the best ever? who knows, but the first is amazing (for a mmo... whatever that means)

@NekuSakuraba said:

@CL60

@NekuSakuraba said:

@Benny

I don't understand why anyone would play The Old Republic when you could be playing this.

You know, I'm not trying to start a MMO war or anything but why would people play TOR over this?

Because I'm not interested in this, and am immensely interested in TOR? Why should I be super hyped for a game doing things that other games have tried and failed massively at doing? I'll play both TOR and this, but I still prefer the combat in an MMO like TOR over the combat that is apparently in this game.

Way to support your argument with facts about why TOR will be any better than Guild Wars 2. I'll give you a clue, it won't.

"I'm not trying to start a MMO war or anything"

"someone prefers another MMO, I better insult them"

People have preferences. There are plenty of people that don't have any problems with "click and forget combat" (which, honestly, somehow leveling this as a criticism against other MMOs makes me think those people haven't played past, like, level 10, where after that you're using a skill every cooldown) or the tank/heals/dps system. There are plenty of people that will play TOR and will never give GW2 the time of day simply because TOR is sci-fi/Star Wars and GW2 is medieval/fantasy. There's no reason for you to get offended by this and start throwing insults around.

Also, the game isn't even out yet.

@CL60

@NekuSakuraba said:

@CL60

@NekuSakuraba said:

@Benny

I don't understand why anyone would play The Old Republic when you could be playing this.

You know, I'm not trying to start a MMO war or anything but why would people play TOR over this?

Because I'm not interested in this, and am immensely interested in TOR? Why should I be super hyped for a game doing things that other games have tried and failed massively at doing? I'll play both TOR and this, but I still prefer the combat in an MMO like TOR over the combat that is apparently in this game.

Way to support your argument with facts about why TOR will be any better than Guild Wars 2. I'll give you a clue, it won't.

I never even said that. I said I'm more interested in the combat that WoW and TOR offers, so I don't care at all about GW2. Especially since all the games who have tried combat like this in an MMO have fallen flat on their face. You're the one who straight up said. 
 
"WHY WOULD PEOPLE PLAY TOR OVER THIS!!" 
 
And I responded with the obvious answer of. "Because I prefer the gameplay in an MMO like TOR." I also said I will play them both, but I know for a fact I will enjoy TOR more because I hate the type of combat that GW2 is offering in an MMO.

Could you elaborate on your hate of similar combat systems? I'm not saying your wrong because an opinion is, well.. Just that, but I am interested to know what you like about WoW's combat system since you seem to be the minority.

@NekuSakuraba said:

@ajamafalous

@NekuSakuraba said:

@CL60

@NekuSakuraba said:

@Benny

I don't understand why anyone would play The Old Republic when you could be playing this.

You know, I'm not trying to start a MMO war or anything but why would people play TOR over this?

Because I'm not interested in this, and am immensely interested in TOR? Why should I be super hyped for a game doing things that other games have tried and failed massively at doing? I'll play both TOR and this, but I still prefer the combat in an MMO like TOR over the combat that is apparently in this game.

Way to support your argument with facts about why TOR will be any better than Guild Wars 2. I'll give you a clue, it won't.

"I'm not trying to start a MMO war or anything"

"someone prefers another MMO, I better insult them"

People have preferences. There are plenty of people that don't have any problems with "click and forget combat" (which, honestly, somehow leveling this as a criticism against other MMOs makes me think those people haven't played past, like, level 10, where after that you're using a skill every cooldown) or the tank/heals/dps system. There are plenty of people that will play TOR and will never give GW2 the time of day simply because TOR is sci-fi/Star Wars and GW2 is medieval/fantasy. There's no reason for you to get offended by this and start throwing insults around.

Also, the game isn't even out yet.

Because I asked for him to elaborate it means I'm insulting him? It's not like I said "fuck your MMO you asshole" I asked him to actually explain why TOR will be better (in his opinion anyway) because I was actually interested to see what he liked about it.

You may have wanted him to elaborate and give you actual reasons, but "Way to support your argument with facts about why TOR will be any better than Guild Wars 2. I'll give you a clue, it won't." doesn't come across as anything but aggressive and hostile.

Also, he totally told you that he prefers the combat in TOR to the combat in GW2 in the post you responded to.

@ajamafalous

@NekuSakuraba said:

@CL60

@NekuSakuraba said:

@Benny

I don't understand why anyone would play The Old Republic when you could be playing this.

You know, I'm not trying to start a MMO war or anything but why would people play TOR over this?

Because I'm not interested in this, and am immensely interested in TOR? Why should I be super hyped for a game doing things that other games have tried and failed massively at doing? I'll play both TOR and this, but I still prefer the combat in an MMO like TOR over the combat that is apparently in this game.

Way to support your argument with facts about why TOR will be any better than Guild Wars 2. I'll give you a clue, it won't.

"I'm not trying to start a MMO war or anything"

"someone prefers another MMO, I better insult them"

People have preferences. There are plenty of people that don't have any problems with "click and forget combat" (which, honestly, somehow leveling this as a criticism against other MMOs makes me think those people haven't played past, like, level 10, where after that you're using a skill every cooldown) or the tank/heals/dps system. There are plenty of people that will play TOR and will never give GW2 the time of day simply because TOR is sci-fi/Star Wars and GW2 is medieval/fantasy. There's no reason for you to get offended by this and start throwing insults around.

Also, the game isn't even out yet.

Because I asked for him to elaborate it means I'm insulting him? It's not like I said "fuck your MMO you asshole" I asked him to actually explain why TOR will be better (in his opinion anyway) because I was actually interested to see what he liked about it.

@NekuSakuraba said:

@ajamafalous

@NekuSakuraba said:

@CL60

@NekuSakuraba said:

@Benny

I don't understand why anyone would play The Old Republic when you could be playing this.

You know, I'm not trying to start a MMO war or anything but why would people play TOR over this?

Because I'm not interested in this, and am immensely interested in TOR? Why should I be super hyped for a game doing things that other games have tried and failed massively at doing? I'll play both TOR and this, but I still prefer the combat in an MMO like TOR over the combat that is apparently in this game.

Way to support your argument with facts about why TOR will be any better than Guild Wars 2. I'll give you a clue, it won't.

"I'm not trying to start a MMO war or anything"

"someone prefers another MMO, I better insult them"

People have preferences. There are plenty of people that don't have any problems with "click and forget combat" (which, honestly, somehow leveling this as a criticism against other MMOs makes me think those people haven't played past, like, level 10, where after that you're using a skill every cooldown) or the tank/heals/dps system. There are plenty of people that will play TOR and will never give GW2 the time of day simply because TOR is sci-fi/Star Wars and GW2 is medieval/fantasy. There's no reason for you to get offended by this and start throwing insults around.

Also, the game isn't even out yet.

Because I asked for him to elaborate it means I'm insulting him? It's not like I said "fuck your MMO you asshole" I asked him to actually explain why TOR will be better (in his opinion anyway) because I was actually interested to see what he liked about it.

He's not referring to your response to me, he's referring to how you said that with GW2 coming out why would anybody play TOR. Which is just stupid and asking for exactly what happened, an argument. You seem hostile towards the fact that anybody would prefer the combat system in TOR over a more active one like in GW2.

@Loose

@NekuSakuraba said:

@CL60

@NekuSakuraba said:

@Benny

I don't understand why anyone would play The Old Republic when you could be playing this.

You know, I'm not trying to start a MMO war or anything but why would people play TOR over this?

Because I'm not interested in this, and am immensely interested in TOR? Why should I be super hyped for a game doing things that other games have tried and failed massively at doing? I'll play both TOR and this, but I still prefer the combat in an MMO like TOR over the combat that is apparently in this game.

Way to support your argument with facts about why TOR will be any better than Guild Wars 2. I'll give you a clue, it won't.

To be fair, ArenaNet is taking some pretty big risks with GW2 that could potentially result in failure. I find their attempt to revolutionize the MMO genre admirable, and I hope it works out, but I wouldn't put money on GW2 being a better or more popular MMO than TOR.

What exactly can fail about it? (I'm not saying it's a sure success, no game is, but are you talking about anything specific?) The things that MMOs do wrong and people complain about are all being fixed. I can sort of see a risk but it would be massively hypocritical of the MMO community to complain about these things, get them fixed, then complain some more.

4. The combat isn't revolutionary, casting while moving has been done before and in a lot of games casters have no auto attack. The whole dodging projectiles is pretty interesting, and its something TERA is playing around with too, but in that regard how do you balance casters if their attacks can be avoided by spam rolling.

Dodging projectiles also sounds like it has the potential to completely break the idea of ranged characters.  "Why would I want to be a ranged character when my 'ranged' attacks can just be side stepped and I become completely useless?"  There may be more to it than that, but, that doesn't sound particularly great to me just with that little bit of info.  And does "projectiles" include magic attacks?  Can I side step a fireball and just laugh at the other person for their pathetic efforts to try and hit me at range?

@WinterSnowblind: That's good to hear, in regards to the casual stuff.  Because, honestly, the only thing I've ever heard anyone talk about in regards to the quests for the game is how "there are no quests, you just have to go out there and find the adventure yourself."  Which sounds well and good, but you look at games like WoW where people almost actively refuse to go out in the world once they hit max level unless they have to, refuse to do world PvP unless there is an immediate reward in it for them, and so on, and it makes me worry about a game where they try to depend so much on your average player wanting to go out and find the adventure themselves.  As long as it actually has some sort of foundation in it to help guide people through the world and towards active spots and what not, that at least gives me more hope for it.  Though, I'd still be curious to see how casual players hand the questing in the game as a whole, as well as how they handle no flying at all in what looks to be a rather large world.  But I imagine as long as they implement other travel systems that make getting from point A to point B not a massive pain in the ass, it won't be a problem.

EVE, for all it's flaws, is still a pretty impressive game that offers a lot of unique stuff no other MMO has managed to date.

I'm still waiting for a fantasy MMO that offers that kind of scale, freedom, and depth.

Doesn't look like Guild Wars 2 is trying to rock that boat, though

Here we go guys, it's been about a year and we are ready for lift off!

YOU HYPED?

One year in anticipation and I can confidently say this is the best MMO I've ever played.

@Deusx: oh man, I got the copy of it sitting here all installed and ready to go but I need to wait at least 2 days before I can play it :( I regret getting it too early now haha

@Loose said:

The reason that I expect TOR to be a more successful game is because it sticks to the traditional core-gameplay format of most MMOs and adds some interesting changes that will likely get enthusiasts of the genre excited. GW2 runs the risk of alienating these enthusiasts by changing so much of the core structure and this could ultimately be the game's undoing. Just look at WoW, it's probably the most successful MMO that's ever been released and it still follows the same gameplay format of traditional MMOs like EQ; Blizzard just streamlined many aspects of the game in order to make it a more compelling experience.

Maaaaaaan. Hind-sight 20/20.

@DanTheGamer32 said:

@Deusx: oh man, I got the copy of it sitting here all installed and ready to go but I need to wait at least 2 days before I can play it :( I regret getting it too early now haha

It's not going anywhere duder. The servers are packed and ready for you lol. Remember to join the guild!

@NekuSakuraba said:

Here we go guys, it's been about a year and we are ready for lift off!

YOU HYPED?

No...

They fucked up and launched in Fall...no way am I even attempting to hop on it now.

@Deusx said:

@DanTheGamer32 said:

@Deusx: oh man, I got the copy of it sitting here all installed and ready to go but I need to wait at least 2 days before I can play it :( I regret getting it too early now haha

It's not going anywhere duder. The servers are packed and ready for you lol. Remember to join the guild!

nooo I mean my code is for the 1 day early release, not the 3 day one :( I will definitely join the guild when I'm on though :)