Foo Fighters reaction to the Kurt Cobain mess.

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#1 Posted by MetalGearSunny (6999 posts) -

I just happened to be on the Foo Fighters site, when I saw a nifty little post.
 

 This is a statement regarding Nirvana, Guitar Hero and the likeness of the late Kurt Cobain.

We want people to know that we are dismayed and very disappointed in the way a facsimile of Kurt is used in the Guitar Hero game. The name and likeness of Kurt Cobain are the sole property of his estate – we have no control whatsoever in that area.

While we were aware of Kurt’s image being used with two Nirvana songs, we didn’t know players have the ability to unlock the character. This feature allows the character to be used with any kind of song the player wants. We urge Activision to do the right thing in “re-locking” Kurt’s character so that this won’t continue in the future.

It’s hard to watch an image of Kurt pantomiming other artists’ music alongside cartoon characters. Kurt Cobain wrote songs that hold a lot of meaning to people all over the world. We feel he deserves better.

Krist Novoselic and Dave Grohl 

It seems that they just want you to be able to use Kurt only for the Nirvana songs, which is totally reasonable.
 
Just wanted to throw this out there.
#2 Posted by natetodamax (19217 posts) -

What's the big deal about this anyway? I don't get it.

#3 Posted by MetalGearSunny (6999 posts) -
@natetodamax: It's not that big of a deal to me, but Cobain is considered "revolutionary" and the fact that Courtney Love freaked out doesn't help anything.
#4 Posted by TooWalrus (13255 posts) -

I lost respect for him when he blew his fucking brains out. He's not here to say no, so I hope people continue to make awesome videos of him singing Bon Jovi songs... If you import Beat It from World Tour... will Cobain moonwalk? Dude, I totally hope so.

#5 Posted by MetalGearSunny (6999 posts) -
@TooWalrus said:
" I lost respect for him when he blew his fucking brains out. He's not here to say no, so I hope people continue to make awesome videos of him singing Bon Jovi songs... If you import Beat It from World Tour... will Cobain moonwalk? Dude, I totally hope so. "
haha. I hope someone does that!
#6 Posted by Coltonio7 (3156 posts) -
@natetodamax said:
" What's the big deal about this anyway? I don't get it. "
I played a Beastie Boys song with everyone as Kurt Kobain.
 
And it was awesome.
#7 Posted by natetodamax (19217 posts) -
@Coltonio7: That sounds amazing
#8 Posted by MetalGearSunny (6999 posts) -
@Coltonio7: You can have multiple Kurts on screen? hmm....
#9 Posted by Teptom (2047 posts) -
@Coltonio7: I'm suddenly interested in Guitar Hero 5...
#10 Posted by TheMustacheHero (6655 posts) -
@natetodamax said:
" What's the big deal about this anyway? I don't get it. "
Because no one else thinks it's hilarious watching a 3d Kurt Cobain sing Flava Flav.
#11 Posted by Crixaliz (782 posts) -

I don't get why this is a big deal either, how was he 'revolutionary'? I never heard his name in the same context of Jimmy Hendrix or someone of that caliber.
 
Which leads me to believe all this up roar is from his wife and some fans, in that case I'm with TooWalrus on this.

#12 Posted by Kiemoe (1058 posts) -

People are upset about it because Cobain and a lot of grunge artists were against the corporate style put into pop music and his music went against everything that that stood for, so when his character is doing the exact opposite of what he believed during his life it's disrespectful. Basically if you died and Activision took your likeness and made you do a bunch of rascist things or something else you were against, that's what everyone's having a problem with

#13 Posted by TheMustacheHero (6655 posts) -
@Crixaliz said:
" I don't get why this is a big deal either, how was he 'revolutionary'? I never heard his name in the same context of Jimmy Hendrix or someone of that caliber.  Which leads me to believe all this up roar is from his wife and some fans, in that case I'm with TooWalrus on this. "
It's revolutionary in the technique he used with the shotgun in his head.
 Jokes.
 
It's just going on like how every 12 year old kid loves MJ because he died. People are just defending him to be "cool".
#14 Posted by MetalGearSunny (6999 posts) -
@Kiemoe said:
" People are upset about it because Cobain and a lot of grunge artists were against the corporate style put into pop music and his music went against everything that that stood for, so when his character is doing the exact opposite of what he believed during his life it's disrespectful. Basically if you died and Activision took your likeness and made you do a bunch of rascist things or something else you were against, that's what everyone's having a problem with "
What that dude said.
But, again, this isn't a big deal for me personally.
#15 Posted by Willin (1284 posts) -

Two Words...
 
YEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHH BOOOOOOOOYY.

#16 Posted by Rowr (5824 posts) -

what would john lennon think about beatles rockband?

#17 Posted by CL60 (16906 posts) -

This is so pointless, why in the hell is it such a big deal? Who gives a shit.

#18 Posted by MetalGearSunny (6999 posts) -
@CL60 said:
" This is so pointless, why in the hell is it such a big deal? Who gives a shit. "
@Metal_Gear_Sunny said:
"Just wanted to throw this out there. "
#19 Posted by BadNews (555 posts) -

I think about it as how others might. What if you played in the same band for years with someone you knew very well, he then committed suicide, with this you band mate and a friend perminantly. Then later in your years you see someone using the likeness of this deceased friend acting out Flavor flav and swinging his arms about. I guess they figured it would be more of a tribute not something that can be used to mock the deceased.
 
As for The beatles rock band, I think that is pretty much how a tribute looks like if I ever saw one.

#20 Posted by MiamiRedHawks (914 posts) -
@Crixaliz: Are you kidding? Do you realize that people were still listening to shitty hair bands like Poison when Nirvana came out? If changing radio from hair metal to grunge, (almost single handedly mind you) isn't revolutionary I don't know what is.
#21 Posted by Willin (1284 posts) -
@Rowr said:
" what would john lennon think about beatles rockband? "
Well if Lennon was singing Flavor Flav I'm sure the Beatles and Yoko would be pissed too. That only works because Lennon only sings Lennon songs.
#22 Posted by EvilNiGHTS (1093 posts) -

Will I be able to use Cobain in MW2 multiplayer? Will he be able to use a shotgun in Last Stand?

#23 Posted by itsmadness (143 posts) -
@Lights_Up_The_Shaft said:
" Two Words...  YEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHH BOOOOOOOOYY. "
Yes.
#24 Posted by MiamiRedHawks (914 posts) -
@EvilNiGHTS: Too soon? No, probably not lol.
#25 Posted by W0lfbl1tzers (1789 posts) -
@EvilNiGHTS said:
" Will I be able to use Cobain in MW2 multiplayer? Will he be able to use a shotgun in Last Stand? "
I did not want to laugh because I don't think it appropriate to make fun of someone who killed themselves but, dammit, that was fucking hilarious.
#26 Posted by ryanwho (12082 posts) -

"  It’s hard to watch an image of Kurt pantomiming other artists’ music" 
...without breaking out and laughing. I agree with Dave, this feature is too hilarious to make the game playable at the same time.

#27 Edited by AvD (288 posts) -

The more I hear about this the more I sympathise with Activision (scary)... why is everyone so damn uptight. 
 
Hendrix, fine - Cash, sure - Cobain, OMFG MY FEALINZ R HURT!!11

#28 Posted by Akeldama (4255 posts) -
@Metal_Gear_Sunny said:
" @natetodamax: It's not that big of a deal to me, but Cobain is considered "revolutionary" and the fact that Courtney Love freaked out doesn't help anything. "
most overrated artist in the genre
#29 Posted by StaticFalconar (4849 posts) -
@Akeldama said:
" @Metal_Gear_Sunny said:
" @natetodamax: It's not that big of a deal to me, but Cobain is considered "revolutionary" and the fact that Courtney Love freaked out doesn't help anything. "
most overrated artist in the genre "
Hey Grunge lived and died with Kurt. 
 
 
As much as I don't like seeing Kurt used this way freaking Courtney Love and her fucking lawyers probably should have looked at what they where signing a little bit closer. So i don't blame activision, i blame Courtney on this one.
#30 Posted by Claude (16254 posts) -

Whatever, that's life bitch. Maybe he should not have pulled the trigger and left his likeness to others to decide.

#31 Edited by lasafrog (124 posts) -

This is nothing real touchy for me, I wasn't a big fan of his or anything. That said, I do see where this whole thing is a bit opposite what people would expect from him. But who knows, if he was alive and still in the scene today, I'm sure he would have evolved not been so anti-estblishment - he would have had to at some point to stay relevant. Either way, I do understand why people are reacting to this. Maybe not the worst idea for Activision to patch and keep Cobain on Cobain songs only, if only out of respect for his fans. 
 
Personally, I want to see him perform Beat It :) 
 
Edit - The Johnny Cash toon bugs me a whole lot more, and I think we can all agree that's a man due a whole lot more respect that most musicians, past or present. I do NOT want to see him perform Beat It.
#32 Posted by Akeldama (4255 posts) -
@StaticFalconar said:
" @Akeldama said:
" @Metal_Gear_Sunny said:
" @natetodamax: It's not that big of a deal to me, but Cobain is considered "revolutionary" and the fact that Courtney Love freaked out doesn't help anything. "
most overrated artist in the genre "
Hey Grunge lived and died with Kurt.    As much as I don't like seeing Kurt used this way freaking Courtney Love and her fucking lawyers probably should have looked at what they where signing a little bit closer. So i don't blame activision, i blame Courtney on this one. "
im so glad Grunge died. 
#33 Posted by Chuggsy (554 posts) -

Wow, I had no idea it was suddenly cool to hate on Cobain. Even if you don't like his music, to deny him being revolutionary in music is just being ignorant. There's a reason everybody knows about him, and  it's not just because he commited suicide. He was huge before that, and he made the grunge genre what it was/is. 
#34 Posted by MetalGearSunny (6999 posts) -

I looks like I started something here. I should've known better.

#35 Posted by TheGreatGuero (9130 posts) -

I think it's lame they're acting this way over it. Truthfully, Cobain was lucky to be in the game. He doesn't really qualify as a guitar hero. It annoys me that people make such a big deal over Kurt Cobain being able to sing other songs, but not any of the other artists, as if Cobain is somehow greater than them. He's built up like he's some sort of God. Dude, seriously, how the heck did Kurt Cobain end up being the voice of our generation?

#36 Posted by innacces14 (736 posts) -

I can take a chuckle at the fact that Krist and Dave must have facepalmed when they saw Courtney's response via Twitter. Other then that I'm okay with the three feeling how they feel.
#37 Edited by Red (5994 posts) -

I think that the staff covered this topic pretty well in the last bombcast. It's just a little weird because Kurt Cobain and Johnny Cash are dead, and weren't the most campy artists. They had absolutely no say in this, which really sucks. Basically the only reason someone would play as Kurt Cobain or Johnny Cash in a song that isn't his would be for the laugh value, which quite frankly, especially to the people that knew him, is a little bit disrespectful. 

#38 Posted by AhmadMetallic (18954 posts) -

im a nirvana fan, not too enthusiastic about kurt and i do not believe in being a big fan of another human being, but seeing kurt on that GH stage did not feel right at all. made me sick in my stomach, savvy?

#39 Posted by L33tfella_H (901 posts) -

Nirvana's music is pretty good i'd say, but it's not at the point where i worship kurt cobain as god or anything, but i guess it's all about experiencing it back then i guess.
 
There's some fault at both ends when it comes to the Cobain deal. Love probably should've read the contract before she signed it(maybe she did and she's fussing just to Cover her ass, or maybe the contract did neglect or tried to sneak past the fine print that said he'd be an unlockable character that could potentially play any song.) and activision probably shouldn't try to capitalize off dead people (they had Matt Bellamy and Shirley Manson, why not other 'living' artists?).
 
I think the biggest thing though, is that he looks so eerily detailed in GH5 which bothers me the most....and that's also why him performing Flava Flav tracks is Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaantastic!

#40 Posted by L33tfella_H (901 posts) -
@Claude said:
" Dick shit motherfucker deserves it for being a coward. Life is hard, fucking get over it. If you leave it to others, your memory is shit. "
i'd probably do myself in aswell if i was married to Courtney Love.
#41 Edited by Asurastrike (2169 posts) -
@Claude said:

" Whatever, that's life bitch. Maybe he should not have pulled the trigger and left his likeness to others to decide. "

I don't have an opinion either way about his likeness being included in the game. But this sentence alone is enough for me to label you are vile, disgusting human being. I don't know if you are trying to be "internet cool" by being completely heartless, but you should stop.
#42 Posted by WilliamRLBaker (4779 posts) -

Kurt created good music or was even revolutionary?

#43 Posted by Claude (16254 posts) -
@Asurastrike said:
" @Claude said:

" Whatever, that's life bitch. Maybe he should not have pulled the trigger and left his likeness to others to decide. "

I don't have an opinion either way about his likeness being included in the game. But this sentence alone is enough for me to label you are vile, disgusting human being. I don't know if you are trying to be "internet cool", but you should stop. "
My brother-in-law committed suicide, what did he leave in its wake, chaos. I'm not cool, I'm just real. You need to get over me. Thankyou.
#44 Posted by TeflonBilly (4713 posts) -

So nobody here can even agree on the simple fact that it's in bad taste that you can defile dead people's likenesses so accurately with no shame?
 
Fine, next Smackdown game I want a Chris Benoit and a Daniel Benoit character and be able to put them in a Submission match.

#45 Edited by W0lfbl1tzers (1789 posts) -
@Claude said:

" Dick shit motherfucker deserves it for being a coward. Life is hard, fucking get over it. If you leave it to others, your memory is shit. "

If things were as simple as that, I would agree with you. I do believe that it is the most selfish thing that you can do in the world. That being said, I lived with and dated someone who attempted suicide. It is really hard to understand what the hell is going on with them. There is something that is deeply wrong with some one that attempts to or commits suicide. You just assume that they can turn off that feeling because someone tells them exactly what you just said. If it were that easy, there would be so many people still alive. Its hard to live with those people and even harder to leave them.
#46 Posted by Asurastrike (2169 posts) -
@Claude said:
" @Asurastrike said:
" @Claude said:

" Whatever, that's life bitch. Maybe he should not have pulled the trigger and left his likeness to others to decide. "

I don't have an opinion either way about his likeness being included in the game. But this sentence alone is enough for me to label you are vile, disgusting human being. I don't know if you are trying to be "internet cool", but you should stop. "
My brother-in-law committed suicide, what did he leave in its wake, chaos. I'm not cool, I'm just real. You need to get over me. Thankyou. "
Someone who commits suicide is obviously suffering from a lot of mental issues. It's not as simple as saying "get the fuck over it". Also, don't respond to my message, I would really rather not hear from you again.
#47 Posted by TeflonBilly (4713 posts) -
@Claude said:
" My brother-in-law committed suicide, what did he leave in its wake, chaos. I'm not cool, I'm just real. You need to get over me. Thankyou. "
Do you feel the same way about mentally ill people who didn't get treatment in time and simply couldn't help themselves?
Suicide isn't just something done by dramawhores or drugged up rockstars bored with life you know.
#48 Edited by Claude (16254 posts) -
@W0lfbl1tzers said:

" @Claude said:

" Dick shit motherfucker deserves it for being a coward. Life is hard, fucking get over it. If you leave it to others, your memory is shit. "
If things were as simple as that, I would agree with you. I do believe that it is the most selfish thing that you can do in the world. That being said, I lived with and dated someone who attempted suicide. It is really hard to understand what the hell is going on with them. There is something that is deeply wrong with some one that attempts to or commits suicide. You just assume that they can turn off that feeling because someone tells them exactly what you just said. If it were that easy, there would be so many people still alive. Its hard to live with those people and even harder to leave them. Don't judge because one day you might have to deal with it. "
I've held a 357 to my head, pulled back the trigger, but did not do the deed. I've been there. I see pain every day. I've seen the aftermath of suicide. I'm selfish and so were they. That's the fight I fight every day. Do you know me? Do you know my wife's pain? My pain? I can judge, it's my right. I fight for my dignity and I fight for my right to live. Death is easy... you just die.
#49 Posted by W0lfbl1tzers (1789 posts) -
@Claude said:
" @W0lfbl1tzers said:

" @Claude said:

" Dick shit motherfucker deserves it for being a coward. Life is hard, fucking get over it. If you leave it to others, your memory is shit. "
If things were as simple as that, I would agree with you. I do believe that it is the most selfish thing that you can do in the world. That being said, I lived with and dated someone who attempted suicide. It is really hard to understand what the hell is going on with them. There is something that is deeply wrong with some one that attempts to or commits suicide. You just assume that they can turn off that feeling because someone tells them exactly what you just said. If it were that easy, there would be so many people still alive. Its hard to live with those people and even harder to leave them. Don't judge because one day you might have to deal with it. "
I've held a 357 to my head, pulled back the trigger, but did not do the deed. I've been there. I see pain every day. I've seen the aftermath of suicide. I'm selfish and so were they. That's the fight I fight every day. Do you know me? Do you know my wife's pain? My pain? I can judge, it's my right. I fight for my dignity and I fight for my right to live. Death is easy... you just die. "
You're right. I don't know your pain but I probably know your wife's.
#50 Posted by Claude (16254 posts) -
@W0lfbl1tzers said:
" @Claude said:
" @W0lfbl1tzers said:

" @Claude said:

" Dick shit motherfucker deserves it for being a coward. Life is hard, fucking get over it. If you leave it to others, your memory is shit. "
If things were as simple as that, I would agree with you. I do believe that it is the most selfish thing that you can do in the world. That being said, I lived with and dated someone who attempted suicide. It is really hard to understand what the hell is going on with them. There is something that is deeply wrong with some one that attempts to or commits suicide. You just assume that they can turn off that feeling because someone tells them exactly what you just said. If it were that easy, there would be so many people still alive. Its hard to live with those people and even harder to leave them. Don't judge because one day you might have to deal with it. "
I've held a 357 to my head, pulled back the trigger, but did not do the deed. I've been there. I see pain every day. I've seen the aftermath of suicide. I'm selfish and so were they. That's the fight I fight every day. Do you know me? Do you know my wife's pain? My pain? I can judge, it's my right. I fight for my dignity and I fight for my right to live. Death is easy... you just die. "
You're right. I don't know your pain but I probably know your wife's. "
That's sad, because you don't. My wife has had Lupus for 27 years. Steroids for all of those years. I've been married for 17 of those. Do you know what Steroids does to a person? The pain it inflicts, the mood swings, the anger. I'm her caregiver. She wishes to die sometimes, but she perseveres. I'm her strength, but sometimes I'm weak. She can say things that a man should not hear. It's not her, it's the drugs that the doctors have her on. Steroids, Oxycontin, Percocet, Klonipin, Valium and many others. This is life for me. She's not dead and we wake up everyday to face the future. I'm sorry if I get angry, but I feel close to the subject at hand.

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