Foo Fighters reaction to the Kurt Cobain mess.

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#51 Posted by TwoOneFive (9459 posts) -

fuck this, its all a publicity stunt. 

#52 Posted by iAmJohn (6127 posts) -
What in the fuck has happened to this thread? 
 
@AvD
said:
" The more I hear about this the more I sympathise with Activision (scary)... why is everyone so damn uptight.  Hendrix, fine - Cash, sure - Cobain, OMFG MY FEALINZ R HURT!!11 "
Here's the difference: Jimi's only useable for his songs in World Tour; in addition, neither him nor Johnny Cash were notorious for being incredibly hostile towards exactly the kind of corporation Activision is, nor were they (more importantly, ultimately) the subject of a goofy, ridiculous video showcasing the absolute insanity of using either of them to play other people's songs in the game that quickly made its way around the internet.
#53 Posted by jakob187 (21691 posts) -
@Crixaliz said:
" I don't get why this is a big deal either, how was he 'revolutionary'?"
Because Nirvana single-handedly killed more careers than any other band in history.  Once Nirvana hit, groups like New Kids on the Block and "artists" like Debbie Gibson, Paula Abdul, Loverboy, etc etc...all that shitty music got destroyed...by shitty music. 
 
Nonetheless, dood blew his brains out.  People can suck it up.  Courtney signed the paper.  Maybe he should've left his estate in the hands of someone who gave a fuck. 
 
Meanwhile, I can't wait to have Kurt singing Iron Maiden and Public Enemy.
#54 Posted by Smersh (228 posts) -

God you guys are harsh in here. Kurt was a musical genius who deserves better than this! 
Shame on you Guitar Hero as you obviously have no respect for the artists which line your silver pockets. 
A lot of you younger guys need to listen to (and learn) some Nirvana songs cause they are pretty fucking amazing. 
 
-imo.

#55 Posted by PureRok (4236 posts) -
@Kiemoe said:
" People are upset about it because Cobain and a lot of grunge artists were against the corporate style put into pop music and his music went against everything that that stood for, so when his character is doing the exact opposite of what he believed during his life it's disrespectful. Basically if you died and Activision took your likeness and made you do a bunch of rascist things or something else you were against, that's what everyone's having a problem with "
I wouldn't mind if they did that to my likeness. Hell, I'd be dead. It's not like I could give a shit.
#56 Posted by jim_dandy (891 posts) -

There's a lot of hate in this thread. 

#57 Posted by RHCPfan24 (8609 posts) -

Back to the original post, as we have strayed far from it, I agree with the message they are giving but, come on, those dudes can't do anything about it! Activision has been lectured by powers much more powerful than the Foo Fighters and they won't change their views just by this.
 
I like Nirvana and I thought they were a very good band. However, my respect for Kurt Cobain isn't as high as others because the guy killed himself! I wish it didn't happen but he, in a pretty cowardly way, ended his life and left his rights with the druggy mess of a human being, Courtney Love. It's her fault that Kurt is in the game in the first place and now she is trying to lash out and say she didn't approve of it. Well you did.

#58 Posted by ieatlions (708 posts) -
@jim_dandy said:
" There's a lot of hate in this thread.  "
#59 Edited by dopeman (387 posts) -

I shouldn't be viewing this thread. Let alone posting

#60 Posted by CarpetRemnant (375 posts) -

I don't like the unspoken implication in all of this that somehow no other artists music has ever been worthy of Kurt Cobain, he was a good musician, a great musician, but he wasn't the second coming.

#61 Posted by c1337us (5751 posts) -

What the fuck should Foo Fighters care? Why should anyone for that matter, I don't find it to be as big a deal as it's being made out to be. Talk about storm in a pennyroyal tea cup.

#62 Posted by ninjakiller (3405 posts) -

Kurt ushered in grunge which killed big hair metal bands, so you show him some respect.  Or would you still like to live in a world where Poison, Ratt, Motley Crue etc still rule the world of music?

#63 Posted by ninjakiller (3405 posts) -
@c1337us:  Maybe cause uh, Dave Grohl founder of Foo Fighters was in fucking Nirvana,  KURT KOBAIN'S BAND, AND MAYBE BECAUSE HE WAS HIS FRIEND?
#64 Posted by guiseppe (2842 posts) -

I don't see what the harm is really. Not him more than any of the other celebrity characters anyway.

#65 Posted by c1337us (5751 posts) -
@ninjakiller: Thats fine. But I don't see way you would release it as a statement of the band (Foo Fighters that is). If he wanted to express his opinion on the matter I am sure there were other methods available for him to do so.
#66 Posted by Kiemoe (1056 posts) -
@PureRok said:
" @Kiemoe said:
" People are upset about it because Cobain and a lot of grunge artists were against the corporate style put into pop music and his music went against everything that that stood for, so when his character is doing the exact opposite of what he believed during his life it's disrespectful. Basically if you died and Activision took your likeness and made you do a bunch of rascist things or something else you were against, that's what everyone's having a problem with "
I wouldn't mind if they did that to my likeness. Hell, I'd be dead. It's not like I could give a shit. "
Well then we should hire you as official speaker for all dudes that ever died ever ;D
#67 Posted by Bucketdeth (8024 posts) -

I could understand what he is saying since he was his friend, but Nirvana and grunge should have died before it started.

#68 Posted by Punchoutman (24 posts) -

Well, I understand why no one cared about Jimi because he wasn't actually "playable". But I'm surprised that there aren't any old people complaining about how Johnny Cash is rapping. It's all about Cobain. I would actually bet money that Cobain would've liked this considering he liked Weird Al's "Smells Like Nirvana." Besides, you don't even have to see him rap Flava Flav or sing Bon Jovi or Megadeth, that's an option, not a required thing you have to see. Ugh, Screw this, I'm going to Nam. (after people complain about my comment) OH COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#69 Posted by lowfatevan (44 posts) -

Eh, the people who are alive, and signed off to be used in the game this way, whatever, that's their choice. Anyone who isn't alive to make a decision shouldn't be used as a puppet to sell activision's games. Cash, Cobain, Hendrix, it doesn't matter. I personally think Johnny Cash is just as disturbing and weird as Kurt Cobain singing Bon Jovi songs.   
 
but then again, Bon Jovi singing Bon Jovi songs is pretty disturbing... 
 
and so what that Cobain committed suicide? Does that mean we have to treat his memory/likeness like shit? Maybe he deserves it, i dunno.

#70 Posted by TheMustacheHero (6655 posts) -
@Chuggsy said:
" Wow, I had no idea it was suddenly cool to hate on Cobain. Even if you don't like his music, to deny him being revolutionary in music is just being ignorant. There's a reason everybody knows about him, and  it's not just because he commited suicide. He was huge before that, and he made the grunge genre what it was/is.  "
Oh please, his music was terrible.
#71 Posted by Gamer_152 (14091 posts) -

Given that the band is fronted by Cobain's old band-mate, Dave Grohl, I think this a statement which should be taken pretty seriously. If it was up to me the Foo Fighters would be allowed what they want because I know how I'd feel if my dead friend was portrayed in a piece of media in a way I found distasteful. I doubt Activision will actually give them what they want but whatever happens the Foo Fighters have sure handled this a million times better than Courtney Love did.

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#72 Posted by ryanwho (12082 posts) -
@iAmJohn said:
" What in the fuck has happened to this thread? 
 
@AvD
said:
" The more I hear about this the more I sympathise with Activision (scary)... why is everyone so damn uptight.  Hendrix, fine - Cash, sure - Cobain, OMFG MY FEALINZ R HURT!!11 "
Here's the difference: Jimi's only useable for his songs in World Tour; in addition, neither him nor Johnny Cash were notorious for being incredibly hostile towards exactly the kind of corporation Activision is, nor were they (more importantly, ultimately) the subject of a goofy, ridiculous video showcasing the absolute insanity of using either of them to play other people's songs in the game that quickly made its way around the internet. "
Cash wasn't opposed to the corporate mechanism? Jimmy Hendrix wasn't? Do you know anything about any musician before the 1990s? What a joke.
#73 Posted by Death_Unicorn (2838 posts) -
@ieatlions said:
" @jim_dandy said:
" There's a lot of hate in this thread.  "
"
Eating lions is pretty hateful, hater! :P
#74 Posted by catpowerd (155 posts) -

Is it just me or is Dave Grohl the most like able guy in the music  business? Every time I see him in a interview or whatever he seems like the coolest dude.

#75 Edited by CL60 (16906 posts) -
@ninjakiller said:

" Kurt ushered in grunge which killed big hair metal bands, so you show him some respect.  Or would you still like to live in a world where Poison, Ratt, Motley Crue etc still rule the world of music? "

Actually yes, those peoples music were a lot better.
#76 Posted by TeflonBilly (4713 posts) -
@c1337us said:

" What the fuck should Foo Fighters care? Why should anyone for that matter, I don't find it to be as big a deal as it's being made out to be. Talk about storm in a pennyroyal tea cup. "

Ignoramus. At the end of the statement it said it was from Krist Novoselic and Dave Groh, you know, THE OTHER TWO GUYS IN NIRVANA
It wasn't a statement from the Foo Fighters, it was a statement from the rest of Nirvana.
 
Oh yeah, Kurt didn't commit suicide. Courtney killed him
#77 Posted by catpowerd (155 posts) -

Guys, guys,guys! Stop all the fuedin and a fightin! Before you post mean shit on the internet think, what would dave grohl do?

#78 Posted by deFacto (54 posts) -

I was part of the generation that had the huge pre-teen Nirvana fase and i must say Kurt was a hero to almost all of my friends. He was a big influence on us. While I'm not as outraged as some people, I think I'm about as dissapointed as Dave and Krist. It's just a dissapointment that Activision would be so insensitive. Anyone who listnened to even one interview of Kurt or one of his albums would know he probably wouldn't even approve of being in the game in the first place. We don't know whether or not he would approve in reality, but why not play it safe. Why make so many people angry just for a little pointless functionality in the FIFTH guitar hero game?

#79 Posted by jakob187 (21691 posts) -
@ninjakiller said:
" Kurt ushered in grunge which killed big hair metal bands, so you show him some respect."
He didn't show his fans respect, so why the fuck would anyone want to show HIM some?  He signed the record deal, he knew what could happen, and yet he still continued forward.  Finally, when his music ended up being something to millions of people...which most artists only get to DREAM of doing...influencing an entire generation...he decides that instead of continuing that legacy, he's just gonna sit in a greenhouse and pop himself with a fucking shotgun? 
 
Fuck that selfish prick.  The minute that dood killed himself, I gave a shit less for him.  I'll continue to feel the same way.  It also makes me realize how pretentious his lyrical content was, thinking he was better than everyone else...then pulling this In Utero bullshit?  "I wanted to make an album to get people to stop listening to our music".  THEN PLAY IN YOUR FUCKING GARAGE!!!  Don't put your ink on a fucking contract, ya dipshit!  I don't give a fuck HOW high someone is - you are fully aware when someone tells you "hey, sign this contract". 
 
MEANWHILE...you look at someone like Brad Nowell, who was also a hardcore heroin addict, and you realize just how much that dood went out of his way to appreciate his fans.  Instead of Brad Nowell...a superior guitar player, superior musician, and superior live performer...being hailed as something, Cobain is fucking recognized.  FUCKING STUPID! 
 
It has nothing to do with "it's cool to hate Cobain".  I've been hating Cobain long before his face showed up in a video game.  It's not like the dood had a mental fucking illness.  He was just a pussy ass junkie.  That's it - plain and simple.  He was selfish, and instead of thinking of the legacy he had helped create, the music he had helped destroy, and the future of his daughter...he decided that a greenhouse floor and a Remington 20 gauge.  As a drug counselor once said to me, "there are just some people that don't want any help, and they never will".  Cobain...was not one of those people.  He was just a selfish prick.  Look at the woman he married and loved for evidence of that...
#80 Edited by L33tfella_H (901 posts) -
@jakob187 said:

 Look at the woman he married and loved for evidence of that... "

i gotta say...out of anything said in this thread, there is nothing more true than that statement.
 
P.S COURTNEY FUCKEEN LOOOOOOOOOOOVE1!!
#81 Posted by AvD (288 posts) -
@ryanwho said:
" @iAmJohn said:
" What in the fuck has happened to this thread? 
 
@AvD
said:
" The more I hear about this the more I sympathise with Activision (scary)... why is everyone so damn uptight.  Hendrix, fine - Cash, sure - Cobain, OMFG MY FEALINZ R HURT!!11 "
Here's the difference: Jimi's only useable for his songs in World Tour; in addition, neither him nor Johnny Cash were notorious for being incredibly hostile towards exactly the kind of corporation Activision is, nor were they (more importantly, ultimately) the subject of a goofy, ridiculous video showcasing the absolute insanity of using either of them to play other people's songs in the game that quickly made its way around the internet. "
Cash wasn't opposed to the corporate mechanism? Jimmy Hendrix wasn't? Do you know anything about any musician before the 1990s? What a joke. "
Thank you ryanwho.  My point was that their presence in the game went against all of their images.  Yeah, playing as Kurt (and Cash, but no one cares about Cash for some reason) takes it a step further, but it's all a video game.  Everyone really needs to loosen up on this "issue".
#82 Posted by Irishjohn (581 posts) -

I'm kind of depressed to see so little sympathy with Grohl and Novoselic's of view.  Nirvana were a hugely important band.  Kurt Cobain didn't believe in compromising art for commercial ideals.  He didn't believe in making music that you didn't stand by 100%.  It's horrible to see a Cobain look-a-like singing Bon Jovi and similarly vacuous bullshit, when Cobain's own inability to compromise his artistic ambitions for the sake of crass commercial expectations drove him to suicide.
 
Cobain clearly had problems.  Courtney Love is clearly a moron.  I don't blame Activision.  I don't blame anyone.  It's just tasteless and I'm surprised that this got to the final game code.

#83 Posted by iAmJohn (6127 posts) -
@ryanwho said:
" @iAmJohn said:
" What in the fuck has happened to this thread? 
 
@AvD
said:
" The more I hear about this the more I sympathise with Activision (scary)... why is everyone so damn uptight.  Hendrix, fine - Cash, sure - Cobain, OMFG MY FEALINZ R HURT!!11 "
Here's the difference: Jimi's only useable for his songs in World Tour; in addition, neither him nor Johnny Cash were notorious for being incredibly hostile towards exactly the kind of corporation Activision is, nor were they (more importantly, ultimately) the subject of a goofy, ridiculous video showcasing the absolute insanity of using either of them to play other people's songs in the game that quickly made its way around the internet. "
Cash wasn't opposed to the corporate mechanism? Jimmy Hendrix wasn't? Do you know anything about any musician before the 1990s? What a joke. "
Not in the same way that it was wrapped up in both his image and a lot of his message.  No need to be a jackass, pal. 
 
Oh and by the way, if you're going to critique my knowledge of music before the '90s, at least get Jimi Hendrix's name right.
#84 Posted by Chokobo (1228 posts) -
@Metal_Gear_Sunny said:
" @natetodamax: It's not that big of a deal to me, but Cobain is considered "revolutionary" and the fact that Courtney Love freaked out doesn't help anything. "
The fact is is that she freaked out and she's the one who signed the contract for his likeness to be used in the game.
#85 Posted by ZombiePie (5708 posts) -

Why do people have a problem with Kurt Cobain but they don't have a problem with Johnny Cash or Jimmy Hendrix being in Guitar Hero 5?

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#86 Posted by ieatlions (708 posts) -
@Death_Unicorn: Objection!
#87 Posted by atomic_dumpling (2474 posts) -
@ZombiePie said:

" Why do people have a problem with Kurt Cobain but they don't have a problem with Johnny Cash or Jimmy Hendrix being in Guitar Hero 5? "

Cobain is Darth Vader, while Cash or Hendrix are closer to Han Solo and Chewbacca. You wouldn't let Darth Vader play a harp sitting in a bed of flowers, would you? 
#88 Posted by addictedtopinescent (3645 posts) -

I agree with the dudes from foo fighters in that Kurt should be only playable on nirvana songs 
but still, this mess is really funny

#89 Posted by TheHBK (5506 posts) -
@Kiemoe said:
"People are upset about it because Cobain and a lot of grunge artists were against the corporate style put into pop music and his music went against everything that that stood for, so when his character is doing the exact opposite of what he believed during his life it's disrespectful. Basically if you died and Activision took your likeness and made you do a bunch of rascist things or something else you were against, that's what everyone's having a problem with "

Yeah, he stood against that.  Except for the fact that his candyass was ok selling millions of copies of his albums.  If these grunge rockers believed in that so much, they would try to live that artist lifestyle, be homeless and just make music.  There is nothing wrong with trying to reach as many people as possible with your music unless you say that is not the point but do it anyway.  Other people could only hope to live on in anyway so that the world would remember them. 
Someone also posted, how would John Lennon or George Harrison feel abou the Beatles Rock Band?  From what I read about Lennon and his feelings about his music, and the beatles and their interviews and their feelings on their music and being "Bigger than Jesus" I am sure they are glad to be reaching more people, younger people.  I actually think lennon would have campaigned for his and Paul's solo songs to go on there as well.
#90 Posted by Claude (16254 posts) -
@atomic_dumpling said:
" @ZombiePie said:

" Why do people have a problem with Kurt Cobain but they don't have a problem with Johnny Cash or Jimmy Hendrix being in Guitar Hero 5? "

Cobain is Darth Vader, while Cash or Hendrix are closer to Han Solo and Chewbacca. You wouldn't let Darth Vader play a harp sitting in a bed of flowers, would you?  "
He always reminded me of Jar Jar Binks. Misunderstood.
 

#91 Posted by clubsandwich (3795 posts) -
#92 Posted by clubsandwich (3795 posts) -
@ninjakiller said:
Or would you still like to live in a world where Poison, Ratt, Motley Crue etc still rule the world of music? "
That'd be sweet so yes, add Bon Jovi and that will be a hell yes.
#93 Posted by Otacon (2209 posts) -

I think it's totally fair, and actually makes sense, to just show Kurt Cobain in the Nirvana songs

#94 Posted by AURON570 (1674 posts) -

We've reached the point where creating a random character can very closely resemble that of a person in real life. There's a reason films and such have the warning in the credits "Characters in this film are entirely fictional and do not represent people in real life..." etc. Maybe games should start having something similar? 
 
here's an article which you guys might find interesting relating to this topic:
 http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_215/6394-Attack-of-the-Uncanny-Valley

#95 Posted by ZombiePie (5708 posts) -
@Claude said:
" @atomic_dumpling said:
" @ZombiePie said:

" Why do people have a problem with Kurt Cobain but they don't have a problem with Johnny Cash or Jimmy Hendrix being in Guitar Hero 5? "

Cobain is Darth Vader, while Cash or Hendrix are closer to Han Solo and Chewbacca. You wouldn't let Darth Vader play a harp sitting in a bed of flowers, would you?  "
He always reminded me of Jar Jar Binks. Misunderstood.
 

"
Okay maybe I'm missing something but are you two seriously comparing musicians to fictional Star Wars characters?
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#96 Posted by Claude (16254 posts) -
@ZombiePie: Yeah, but he compared The Man in Black and Jimi to Han Solo and Chewbacca. He started it.
#97 Posted by Death_Unicorn (2838 posts) -
@ieatlions: I have to hate on the hater of lions, at least lions don't hate you...
 
#98 Posted by ZombiePie (5708 posts) -
@Claude: Well know that I think about it, you both kinda make sense...
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#99 Posted by ieatlions (708 posts) -
@Death_Unicorn:  umm really how do u not know im a lion eating all the other lions
#100 Posted by atomic_dumpling (2474 posts) -
@ZombiePie said:
" @Claude: Well know that I think about it, you both kinda make sense... "
Well, Since people are still asking what's wrong with the whole Cobain thing, I dumbed it down. A lot.

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