The St. Anger Problem

#1 Posted by Everyones_A_Critic (6298 posts) -

So a few days ago I downloaded the rest of St. Anger to give it a fair shake despite everyone condemning it as total drek. The songs I had heard before finishing the download were St. Anger, Frantic, Some Kind of Monster, and Shoot me Again. I liked these songs, particularly the title track, but felt they didn't rank even close to the band's previous material. Having listened to the album in its entirety, I have to say that despite the quality being sub par, I really feel as though it gets a bad reputation.

Before everyone cries fanboy (which you have every right to do) hear me out: you can tell the band (especially James) put their heart and soul into this album. While some of the songs (Dirty Window, Invisible Kid) are pretty shitty all around, others such as St. Anger, Frantic, Sweet Amber, and The Unnamed Feeling have Hetfield singing with such passion and devotion, you end up hearing an album that with a bit more polish could've been a phenomenon. I could've sworn Hetfield was on the verge of tears at the end of "The Unnamed Feeling". The references in the chorus of St. Anger to the band's past "Fuck it all and no regrets I hit the lights on these dark sets" bring the same effect that Johnny Cash's video for "Hurt" did: they showed an icon of the past broken, beat, and scarred (yeah, that's right, I made that reference).

Anyway I think the album is entirely forgivable on the band's part and feels like it had more effort put into it (lyrically) than the new Death Magnetic (not that that album sucks).

#2 Posted by METALM1LITIA91 (259 posts) -

honestly  i think it would have been awesome if Lars wouldn't have screwed up his snare (if you watch them play Anger songs when lars doesn't screw with his drums it sounds good). Everything else wasn't that bad. If it would have been polished the album would have been fantastic. Some Kind of Monster, Frantic, and St. Anger are the best

#3 Posted by HandsomeDead (11863 posts) -

It's best if you just forget St. Anger ever existed. I'd like to but I can't get over actually owning a copy.

#4 Edited by Bucketdeth (8010 posts) -
Everyones_A_Critic said:
 others such as St. Anger, Frantic, Sweet Amber, and The Unnamed Feeling have Hetfield singing with such passion and devotion
Thats like telling me The Jona's brothers sing with passion and devotion, the album was shit, had no feelings and they will never recover, if you think Death Magnetic was a comeback, then your a worthless fanboy, it was an ok album, and only sounds good when comparing to St.Anger, compare it to there older shit and it's down at the bottom of the pit like Load,Reload and St.Anger.
#5 Edited by buzz_killington (3532 posts) -

St. Anger was a mess in my opinion. It didn't sound polished at all, almost like a garage demo tape at times. Gotta agree though, that St. Anger the song has some real feelings to it, and Hetfield is doing his best to make the song work. But my god, Lars and his goddamn snare?
ps Death Magnetic was so awesome I forgave them for St. Anger.

#6 Posted by jakob187 (21670 posts) -

I loved St. Anger after it aged about 5 years.


Also, anyone that wants to complain about the album...how about some criticisms that stem further than "I don't like the sound of Lars' snare" or "it sounded like garage demos"?  I mean, why don't you tell us what music is SUPPOSED to sound like?  Please...do tell.
#7 Posted by METALM1LITIA91 (259 posts) -
jakob187 said:
"I loved St. Anger after it aged about 5 years.

Also, anyone that wants to complain about the album...how about some criticisms that stem further than "I don't like the sound of Lars' snare" or "it sounded like garage demos"?  I mean, why don't you tell us what music is SUPPOSED to sound like?  Please...do tell.
"
thats my thing... they take risks which is good. They don't make the same album a million times over like most metal bands
#8 Edited by Bucketdeth (8010 posts) -
I dont know why there are two st.anger videos.
jakob187
said:
 I mean, why don't you tell us what music is SUPPOSED to sound like?  Please...do tell."


Metallica with feeling and sounding great.
  


Metallica with no feeling and sounding like they need to retire and learn to tune there instruments.
 
#9 Posted by HandsomeDead (11863 posts) -
METALM1LITIA91 said:
"jakob187 said:
"I loved St. Anger after it aged about 5 years.

Also, anyone that wants to complain about the album...how about some criticisms that stem further than "I don't like the sound of Lars' snare" or "it sounded like garage demos"?  I mean, why don't you tell us what music is SUPPOSED to sound like?  Please...do tell.
"
thats my thing... they take risks which is good. They don't make the same album a million times over like most metal bands"
It's a good thing that is sounds like Lars is using a bin lid as a drum?
#10 Posted by buzz_killington (3532 posts) -
jakob187 said:
"I loved St. Anger after it aged about 5 years.

Also, anyone that wants to complain about the album...how about some criticisms that stem further than "I don't like the sound of Lars' snare" or "it sounded like garage demos"?  I mean, why don't you tell us what music is SUPPOSED to sound like?  Please...do tell.
"

They're supposed to sound like: a) High profile band with high production values                       OR
                                                           b) Raw, psychadelic and crazy like the earlier days
#11 Posted by METALM1LITIA91 (259 posts) -
HandsomeDead said:
"METALM1LITIA91 said:
"jakob187 said:
"I loved St. Anger after it aged about 5 years.

Also, anyone that wants to complain about the album...how about some criticisms that stem further than "I don't like the sound of Lars' snare" or "it sounded like garage demos"?  I mean, why don't you tell us what music is SUPPOSED to sound like?  Please...do tell.
"
thats my thing... they take risks which is good. They don't make the same album a million times over like most metal bands"
It's a good thing that is sounds like Lars is using a bin lid as a drum?"
If you would have quoted my earlier words i don't like his snare on the album. I never said I liked everything they ever did but im just saying they don't stay in a rut
#12 Posted by HandsomeDead (11863 posts) -
METALM1LITIA91 said:
"HandsomeDead said:
"METALM1LITIA91 said:
"jakob187 said:
"I loved St. Anger after it aged about 5 years.

Also, anyone that wants to complain about the album...how about some criticisms that stem further than "I don't like the sound of Lars' snare" or "it sounded like garage demos"?  I mean, why don't you tell us what music is SUPPOSED to sound like?  Please...do tell.
"
thats my thing... they take risks which is good. They don't make the same album a million times over like most metal bands"
It's a good thing that is sounds like Lars is using a bin lid as a drum?"
If you would have quoted my earlier words i don't like his snare on the album. I never said I liked everything they ever did but im just saying they don't stay in a rut"
I don't really understand the logic. Surely being average is better than being terrible. And Death Magnetic sounds so generic, it's not like they're really that cutting edge.
#13 Posted by DECA555 (400 posts) -

i like st. anger more than load and re-load. 


But for me, metallica lost it after ...and justice for all
#14 Posted by METALM1LITIA91 (259 posts) -
HandsomeDead said:
"METALM1LITIA91 said:
"HandsomeDead said:
"METALM1LITIA91 said:
"jakob187 said:
"I loved St. Anger after it aged about 5 years.

Also, anyone that wants to complain about the album...how about some criticisms that stem further than "I don't like the sound of Lars' snare" or "it sounded like garage demos"?  I mean, why don't you tell us what music is SUPPOSED to sound like?  Please...do tell.
"
thats my thing... they take risks which is good. They don't make the same album a million times over like most metal bands"
It's a good thing that is sounds like Lars is using a bin lid as a drum?"
If you would have quoted my earlier words i don't like his snare on the album. I never said I liked everything they ever did but im just saying they don't stay in a rut"
I don't really understand the logic. Surely being average is better than being terrible. And Death Magnetic sounds so generic, it's not like they're really that cutting edge."
well a band that has one good album and just does copy and paste doesn't hold my attention. I like Slayer but honestly all of their stuff (other than Seasons in the Abyss) sounds identical.  Metallica at lease tried something new in the 90's. As the expression goes, the first in the fire is always the first to get burned
#15 Posted by buzz_killington (3532 posts) -
HandsomeDead said:
"METALM1LITIA91 said:
"HandsomeDead said:
"METALM1LITIA91 said:
"jakob187 said:
"I loved St. Anger after it aged about 5 years.

Also, anyone that wants to complain about the album...how about some criticisms that stem further than "I don't like the sound of Lars' snare" or "it sounded like garage demos"?  I mean, why don't you tell us what music is SUPPOSED to sound like?  Please...do tell.
"
thats my thing... they take risks which is good. They don't make the same album a million times over like most metal bands"
It's a good thing that is sounds like Lars is using a bin lid as a drum?"
If you would have quoted my earlier words i don't like his snare on the album. I never said I liked everything they ever did but im just saying they don't stay in a rut"
I don't really understand the logic. Surely being average is better than being terrible. And Death Magnetic sounds so generic, it's not like they're really that cutting edge."

How does Death Magnetic sound generic? Sure, it sounds like Metallica, but is that a bad thing? You feel like you've heard it before, but the music is solid enough not to be called generic. Do you say St. Anger is better than Death Magnetic?
#16 Posted by HandsomeDead (11863 posts) -
buzz_killington said:
"HandsomeDead said:
"METALM1LITIA91 said:
"HandsomeDead said:
"METALM1LITIA91 said:
"jakob187 said:
"I loved St. Anger after it aged about 5 years.

Also, anyone that wants to complain about the album...how about some criticisms that stem further than "I don't like the sound of Lars' snare" or "it sounded like garage demos"?  I mean, why don't you tell us what music is SUPPOSED to sound like?  Please...do tell.
"
thats my thing... they take risks which is good. They don't make the same album a million times over like most metal bands"
It's a good thing that is sounds like Lars is using a bin lid as a drum?"
If you would have quoted my earlier words i don't like his snare on the album. I never said I liked everything they ever did but im just saying they don't stay in a rut"
I don't really understand the logic. Surely being average is better than being terrible. And Death Magnetic sounds so generic, it's not like they're really that cutting edge."
How does Death Magnetic sound generic? Sure, it sounds like Metallica, but is that a bad thing? You feel like you've heard it before, but the music is solid enough not to be called generic. Do you say St. Anger is better than Death Magnetic?"
No, but Death Magnetic sounds a lot like they've realised no one liked St. Anger than decided to just try and sound like they did when they were relevant and instead it just sounds like they're clutching at straws.
#17 Posted by buzz_killington (3532 posts) -

HandsomeDead said:

"buzz_killington said:
"HandsomeDead said:
"METALM1LITIA91 said:
"HandsomeDead said:
"METALM1LITIA91 said:
"jakob187 said:
"I loved St. Anger after it aged about 5 years.

Also, anyone that wants to complain about the album...how about some criticisms that stem further than "I don't like the sound of Lars' snare" or "it sounded like garage demos"?  I mean, why don't you tell us what music is SUPPOSED to sound like?  Please...do tell.
"
thats my thing... they take risks which is good. They don't make the same album a million times over like most metal bands"
It's a good thing that is sounds like Lars is using a bin lid as a drum?"
If you would have quoted my earlier words i don't like his snare on the album. I never said I liked everything they ever did but im just saying they don't stay in a rut"
I don't really understand the logic. Surely being average is better than being terrible. And Death Magnetic sounds so generic, it's not like they're really that cutting edge."
How does Death Magnetic sound generic? Sure, it sounds like Metallica, but is that a bad thing? You feel like you've heard it before, but the music is solid enough not to be called generic. Do you say St. Anger is better than Death Magnetic?"
No, but Death Magnetic sounds a lot like they've realised no one liked St. Anger than decided to just try and sound like they did when they were relevant and instead it just sounds like they're clutching at straws."


 

The Metallica "formula" is solid enough that reusing it is not a bad thing. I think if they never release (I hope they won't) anything again, I'll remember them with going out on top.
#18 Posted by HandsomeDead (11863 posts) -
buzz_killington said:
"

HandsomeDead said:

"buzz_killington said:
"HandsomeDead said:
"METALM1LITIA91 said:
"HandsomeDead said:
"METALM1LITIA91 said:
"jakob187 said:
"I loved St. Anger after it aged about 5 years.

Also, anyone that wants to complain about the album...how about some criticisms that stem further than "I don't like the sound of Lars' snare" or "it sounded like garage demos"?  I mean, why don't you tell us what music is SUPPOSED to sound like?  Please...do tell.
"
thats my thing... they take risks which is good. They don't make the same album a million times over like most metal bands"
It's a good thing that is sounds like Lars is using a bin lid as a drum?"
If you would have quoted my earlier words i don't like his snare on the album. I never said I liked everything they ever did but im just saying they don't stay in a rut"
I don't really understand the logic. Surely being average is better than being terrible. And Death Magnetic sounds so generic, it's not like they're really that cutting edge."
How does Death Magnetic sound generic? Sure, it sounds like Metallica, but is that a bad thing? You feel like you've heard it before, but the music is solid enough not to be called generic. Do you say St. Anger is better than Death Magnetic?"
No, but Death Magnetic sounds a lot like they've realised no one liked St. Anger than decided to just try and sound like they did when they were relevant and instead it just sounds like they're clutching at straws."


 

The Metallica "formula" is solid enough that reusing it is not a bad thing. I think if they never release (I hope they won't) anything again, I'll remember them with going out on top."
No, it's not. Death Magnetic is the equivalent of a direct-to-DVD Steven Seagal movie like Against the Dark compared to Under Siege.
#19 Posted by buzz_killington (3532 posts) -
HandsomeDead said:
"buzz_killington said:
"

HandsomeDead said:

"buzz_killington said:
"HandsomeDead said:
"METALM1LITIA91 said:
"HandsomeDead said:
"METALM1LITIA91 said:
"jakob187 said:
"I loved St. Anger after it aged about 5 years.

Also, anyone that wants to complain about the album...how about some criticisms that stem further than "I don't like the sound of Lars' snare" or "it sounded like garage demos"?  I mean, why don't you tell us what music is SUPPOSED to sound like?  Please...do tell.
"
thats my thing... they take risks which is good. They don't make the same album a million times over like most metal bands"
It's a good thing that is sounds like Lars is using a bin lid as a drum?"
If you would have quoted my earlier words i don't like his snare on the album. I never said I liked everything they ever did but im just saying they don't stay in a rut"
I don't really understand the logic. Surely being average is better than being terrible. And Death Magnetic sounds so generic, it's not like they're really that cutting edge."
How does Death Magnetic sound generic? Sure, it sounds like Metallica, but is that a bad thing? You feel like you've heard it before, but the music is solid enough not to be called generic. Do you say St. Anger is better than Death Magnetic?"
No, but Death Magnetic sounds a lot like they've realised no one liked St. Anger than decided to just try and sound like they did when they were relevant and instead it just sounds like they're clutching at straws."


 

The Metallica "formula" is solid enough that reusing it is not a bad thing. I think if they never release (I hope they won't) anything again, I'll remember them with going out on top."
No, it's not. Death Magnetic is the equivalent of a direct-to-DVD Steven Seagal movie like Against the Dark compared to Under Siege."

But thats better than Steven Seagal doing serious dramatic roles, aint it? If you like Steven Seagal enough, you'll like Against the Dark; because its Steven Seagal doing what Steven Seagal does best. The problem is the world has moved on, and stupid action movies and metal bands just can't sell shit...
#20 Posted by jakob187 (21670 posts) -

I will agree that Death Magnetic sounds like they took too much to heart about the critical reception of St. Anger and just tried to rehash their old style.  Nonetheless...that's all you motherfuckers asked for!!!  What do you expect???


Also, again, I will state:  who said that music has to sound perfect every single time?  Who said that someone can't tune their snare drum down?  Who said that a band can't tune down to B?  Who says that shit like that isn't allowed?  You?  Me?  The studio?  The record label?

Fuck that.  Music is music.  I commend Metallica for making a massive statement at a time when bands like Disturbed were becoming popular as Hell for using pitch correction software to make David Draiman sound perfect on every song.  I'm glad that the badasses in black from the Bay Area didn't give into a bunch of overdubbing and bullshit to make an album.  I'm GLAD that they decided to be raw and risky.  Is St. Anger perfect?  Fuck no, and it never tried to be!
#21 Posted by Arkthemaniac (6535 posts) -
METALM1LITIA91 said:
"honestly  i think it would have been awesome if Lars wouldn't have screwed up his snare (if you watch them play Anger songs when lars doesn't screw with his drums it sounds good). Everything else wasn't that bad. If it would have been polished the album would have been fantastic. Some Kind of Monster, Frantic, and St. Anger are the best"
Worst snare sound in history.

Ulrich is by far the shittiest member of Metallica.
#22 Edited by jakob187 (21670 posts) -
Arkthemaniac said:
"METALM1LITIA91 said:
"honestly  i think it would have been awesome if Lars wouldn't have screwed up his snare (if you watch them play Anger songs when lars doesn't screw with his drums it sounds good). Everything else wasn't that bad. If it would have been polished the album would have been fantastic. Some Kind of Monster, Frantic, and St. Anger are the best"
Worst snare sound in history.

Ulrich is by far the shittiest member of Metallica."
Ulrich has stated that he's no master of drumming on many occasions, going so far as to say he is "mediocre" and "knows little about drumming".  So whatever...

Also, here's the best review I ever read about St. Anger.  While I'm not always a fan of Don Kaye's reviewing, I think his review for St. Anger was absolutely marvelous.  The user rating means jack shit to me, as most of the Blabbermouth community are nothing but black metal and death metal dickweeds.  You might even find a comment or two from me in the comment sections.
#23 Posted by WilliamRLBaker (4777 posts) -

I loved St. Anger and death magnetic a free download i got from some metallica headphones was just as good, I've yet to hear a bad metallica song because unlike other people i don't compare my music to other music i take it as it is, and ignore political shit Which is most of the reason alot of people hate metallica, but lars napster blah blah blah.

#24 Posted by Arkthemaniac (6535 posts) -
jakob187 said:
"Arkthemaniac said:
"METALM1LITIA91 said:
"honestly  i think it would have been awesome if Lars wouldn't have screwed up his snare (if you watch them play Anger songs when lars doesn't screw with his drums it sounds good). Everything else wasn't that bad. If it would have been polished the album would have been fantastic. Some Kind of Monster, Frantic, and St. Anger are the best"
Worst snare sound in history.

Ulrich is by far the shittiest member of Metallica."
Ulrich has stated that he's no master of drumming on many occasions, going so far as to say he is "mediocre" and "knows little about drumming".  So whatever...
"
Good. Maybe he can shut the fuck up about piracy then! Get some talented people that are struggling because of it at the head, rather than an untalented person who is fuckin loaded.
#25 Edited by Everyones_A_Critic (6298 posts) -

Bucketdeth said:
Everyones_A_Critic said:  others such as St. Anger, Frantic, Sweet Amber, and The Unnamed Feeling have Hetfield singing with such passion ... [more]

Hetfield should hold his nose while he sings and bitch about the government while overloading his albums with filler and only two truly good songs. I'm gunna go ahead and assume that you're one of those enlightened individuals who think that without Dave Mustaine writing a few Kill 'Em All songs that Metallica would never succeed and anything past Kill 'Em All is shit. For you I have this video:

  

I'll give you that Megadeth has written a lot of great songs over the years, and I'd probably like them a lot more if Dave would stop acting so butthurt over Metallica and stop being such a dick about them.
#26 Posted by Demo (263 posts) -

Production. The drums are loud and the guitars are hardly heard. It's a mess.

I don't like the title track, but there are some decent songs in the album.

#27 Posted by Drebin_893 (2914 posts) -

Wait, what did Lars Ulrich do to his snare, I've never listened to the full album, so I don't know?

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