Apparently there's two maps and then a grifball court. 

It's devided
- open section (sandbox)
- the crypt (grifball/tundra)
- skybubble (basically another section in the air with a grid--> for making stuff like lockout)

so really, who knows how this is going to turn out.
It's guaranteed main sandbox is there
Tundra is another named map
Grifball obviously

and then those other nice looking ones are just to show it off I guess? 
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&cid=17358

Everyone ignore this thread.  Smug would never speak negatively about Halo 3 or Bungie.  It's just a trap.

wait, they made a map specifically for griffball?  what the hell?

^ it's below the surface of sandbox.  It's the demensions of a grifball court, and essentially they decided on doing it for that, but there's also a map they created in that.
They basically stuck it below the surface of sandbox.

Pretty much, sandbox is 3 layers, 2 of which have maps, one being an open outdoor map, the other a warlock type map, and the third layer is essentially lockout without the actual map (or construct/ any map that floats)

Ah, so yet again...Bungie offers nothing more than second-rate maps and rehashes from 4 years ago?

uh, what? 
This is a new map with essentially everything the folks over at bungie.net have asked for (see the ultimate forging map thread)

And then Assembly is a new mutlileveled outdoor arena type map (what people have been asking for- especially on the skirmish side) and Orbital which I don't completely understand yet.  We don't have a map entirely like it yet though.  They've ditched making those traditional maps with the heroic pack (the only true traditional ones in the game are standoff and valhalla)

Meh, don't even know why I'm starting in...

wait...did you think they were remaking grifball?  I think that's it.
lulz.

You realize Bungie will totally flame you now and call you a loser like those "pixel counters" who pointed out that Halo 3 was NOT IN NATIVE HD don't you?

"one being an open outdoor map"

"SmugDarkLoser said:

"one being an open outdoor map"

So basically Blood Gulch or Sidewinder or the likes...

"the other a warlock type map"

Needs no explanation...

"the third layer is essentially lockout without the actual map (or construct/ any map that floats)"

Lockout?  Really?  Didn't they ALREADY do that with Cold Storage???

So...when I say "they do nothing but rehash old shit"...I mean that they rehash nothing but old shit.  At least IW had some original stuff to offer in their map pack for CoD4 rather than just offering up the same maps over and over with a slight tweak.  Only one that was a remake or even an "inspiration" for them was Chinatown.  =  /

"

No, a big open outdoor map means a variety of thigns.  neither blood gulch nor sidewinder are in Halo 3 either. It's more comparable to a split in half tombstone and and sand in between

Warlock type map?  Umm.. when did I say that? And anyway, I'd imagine you're reciting to the crypt--> I was talking about a forge variant I'd expect to see

And your 3rd quote is awful.
First of all, Cold Storage is a remake of Chill Out.  Blackout is the Lockout remake. Thus proving you haven't played halo enough to care about these types of things.
That being said, I said essentially lockout without the actual map.  I'm referencing being able to build a floating map.

Everything in their new map pack is original, I don't understand how you would say otherwise.

This is rather interesting though.  You're quoting my post that didn't show up.  What the heck? 
We do remember that last map pack was essentially the retro throwback? And even then, Bungie isn't willing to do the same crap.  Blackout is pretty much the same fixed for halo 3, Avalanche is based on the same idea (but think a concept--> the map itself is very different) and Ghost Town is not unique in anyway for a halo map (sarcasm)

-- I honestly find it hilarious how you say that any "large outdoor map" is a blood gluch clone and then go on to say chinatown isn't close to bad as it's only an inspiration (hint, hint, it's essentially what lockout is to blackout)

"SmugDarkLoser said:

"one being an open outdoor map"

So basically Blood Gulch or Sidewinder or the likes...

"the other a warlock type map"

Needs no explanation...

"the third layer is essentially lockout without the actual map (or construct/ any map that floats)"

Lockout?  Really?  Didn't they ALREADY do that with Cold Storage???

So...when I say "they do nothing but rehash old shit"...I mean that they rehash nothing but old shit.  At least IW had some original stuff to offer in their map pack for CoD4 rather than just offering up the same maps over and over with a slight tweak.  Only one that was a remake or even an "inspiration" for them was Chinatown.  =  /

"

ALso im not exactly sure what they lied about since nobody ever heard anything on the contrary before

"chinatown isn't close to bad as it's only an inspiration (hint, hint, it's essentially what lockout is to blackout)"

^ are you serious?  Everyone agrees that Halo 3 is less newb friendly than halo 2.  Honestly, you don't know halo if you think othewise.
And the fact that you say you enjoy Epitaph and Guardian because you liked Midship just signals you probably haven't even played the game.  Those maps are NOTHING alike.  Especially epitaph.

Please explain that actually, this should be interesting.  How is Epitaph similar to midship *does lulz*

--- and then you complain about them continually adding to the game to make it crappier (say what?) yet you say you were gone before the second map pack.  (sorry, you've been caught lying.  go to jail.  go directly to jail.  that's all)

"Please explain that actually, this should be interesting.  How is Epitaph similar to midship *does lulz*"

Yeah, a lot of people like Halo 2 more.  That's totally cool, in my book, because that was a good fucking game. 

"Yeah, a lot of people like Halo 2 more.  That's totally cool, in my book, because that was a good fucking game. "

Yeah jakob... you're really just antagonizing Smug without really checking the facts. Not saying it's not fun to do, but still...

Sandbox is a Forge map, and it doesn't really crip off of anything Bungie has done before.

The top tier has nothing on it by default, but is designed to give map makers the ability to make "floating maps" where if you jump off the edge you fall to your death e.g. Boarding Action, Lockout, Geyrophobia, Ascension. It also eliminates the need to box off certain areas, because if you leave the path you'll fall to your death.

The middle tier is a desert floor, probably a little smaller than Valhalla, allowing for open vehicle fights and longer range battles- stuff you couldn't do on Foundry due to it's small size and indoor nature.

The bottom tier is a smaller, more contained area much like Foundry, allowing for you to build inside maps with four surrounding walls.

The closest thing Bungie has done to Sandbox is Foundry, but Sandbox is considerably more advanced. The diversity of Forge maps that we see will undoubtedly hugely increase once Sanbox releases. It contains a huge amount of placeable objects, and maps can utilize all three tiers at once, making for some diverse options. How good it turns out to be is going to depend on how creative Forgers are with it, but it's misinformed to say it's a rehash of something Bungie has done before.

So Sandbox is basically just a Forge thing?  I guess I kind of get it now.  I didn't spend a lot of time with Forge when I played, so yes, I don't know a ton about what it's capable of.  Now that I know it's a Forge map, I can say "sorry" to Smug for being misinformed about that.  Even when I was trying to do some online research, I didn't fully understand what the hell it was supposed to be...much like trying to watch a Noby Noby Boy video.

bungie.net
click on the weekly update (today's)
it explains it all

it's essentially a map of 3 portions.

and don't worry.  You don't have to apologize, I like making people try to argue, very comedical

"bungie.net
click on the weekly update (today's)
it explains it all

it's essentially a map of 3 portions.

and don't worry.  You don't have to apologize, I like making people try to argue, very comedical"