Everyone I know think they are great games. I think people just like to jump on the bandwagon and the internet is full with stupid fanboys and other vermin.

"Everyone I know think they are great games. I think people just like to jump on the bandwagon and the internet is full with stupid fanboys and other vermin."

Well I can't even name something it did that was truly groundbreaking, but that's just me. But the reason people mock Halo is because there isn't much to it besides multiplayer, that's it. You bring up Goldeneye as overrated. I will tell you why you are wrong there. Goldeneye revolutionized console shooters and if it were not for goldeneye, probably would not have played the Halo you know, plus remember, Goldeneye was YEARS before Halo. Graphics and AI mean jackshit when you compare a game of the N64 era to the Xbox era.

I think people just like to jump on the bandwagon and the internet is full with stupid fanboys and other vermin."

As many people I've seen hate on Halo, I've seen the exact same amount that defends it. Same goes for pretty much every other popular game out there.

"Well I can't even name something it did that was truly groundbreaking, but that's just me. But the reason people mock Halo is because there isn't much to it besides multiplayer, that's it. You bring up Goldeneye as overrated. I will tell you why you are wrong there. Goldeneye revolutionized console shooters and if it were not for goldeneye, probably would not have played the Halo you know, plus remember, Goldeneye was YEARS before Halo. Graphics and AI mean jackshit when you compare a game of the N64 era to the Xbox era.

Come back when you understand the gaming significance of Goldeneye.

"

I enjoy halo, but I've just never seen what's special about it. It's fun, but nothing stands out from it as spectacular. It's fine, there's nothing wrong with it. There's plenty right with it. There's just nothing great about it. It's fun, but I don't see why it's got this huge following that it has.

"Snipzor said:

"Well I can't even name something it did that was truly groundbreaking, but that's just me. But the reason people mock Halo is because there isn't much to it besides multiplayer, that's it. You bring up Goldeneye as overrated. I will tell you why you are wrong there. Goldeneye revolutionized console shooters and if it were not for goldeneye, probably would not have played the Halo you know, plus remember, Goldeneye was YEARS before Halo. Graphics and AI mean jackshit when you compare a game of the N64 era to the Xbox era.

Come back when you understand the gaming significance of Goldeneye.

"

Dude, Turok was released before Goldeneye 007 and used the same exact control scheme but Goldeneye was an improvement. Sure Goldeneye was the first FPS to popularize the genre to the console market but it was still inferior to most PC shooters.

Plus, there hasn't been a single revolutionary shooter since Jurassic Park Trespasser. The last innovative first-person shooter that camed out was Boiling Point {a ambitious but buggy as fuck game} and well... that's it. Half-Life is a supeior series than the Halo trilogy but it's not revolutionary considering Trespasser did EVERYTHING Half-Life supposedly innovated, but the difference was that Half-Life was good and Trespasser was an outright bad game."

Not everyone does. I think they are fantastic games, and well worth playing through.

Gamers don't hate Halo.  Assholes hate Halo

"jagt707 said:

"Snipzor said:

"Well I can't even name something it did that was truly groundbreaking, but that's just me. But the reason people mock Halo is because there isn't much to it besides multiplayer, that's it. You bring up Goldeneye as overrated. I will tell you why you are wrong there. Goldeneye revolutionized console shooters and if it were not for goldeneye, probably would not have played the Halo you know, plus remember, Goldeneye was YEARS before Halo. Graphics and AI mean jackshit when you compare a game of the N64 era to the Xbox era.

Come back when you understand the gaming significance of Goldeneye.

"

Dude, Turok was released before Goldeneye 007 and used the same exact control scheme but Goldeneye was an improvement. Sure Goldeneye was the first FPS to popularize the genre to the console market but it was still inferior to most PC shooters.

Plus, there hasn't been a single revolutionary shooter since Jurassic Park Trespasser. The last innovative first-person shooter that camed out was Boiling Point {a ambitious but buggy as fuck game} and well... that's it. Half-Life is a supeior series than the Halo trilogy but it's not revolutionary considering Trespasser did EVERYTHING Half-Life supposedly innovated, but the difference was that Half-Life was good and Trespasser was an outright bad game."

Well know that you can never in any way compare a "Keyboard/Mouse" shooter to either a single analog game or a dual analog game, can't be done.

Know that there were problems with Turok, it was a platformer. Not any regular platformer, but a hard first person platformer with shooting, that is why it lacked a large fanbase. Goldeneye took a simple concept, you have a gun, you can kill people. It is simple, and dammit, those controls were amazing for a single analog controller. Same goes for Perfect Dark.

Also Trespasser sucked because of the controls and it was buggy as hell. They released an unfinished game, and people don't like that.

"

I like playing Halo against people I know but not so much against people I don't.

It's a good game for multiplayer but for single player, it's nothing special.

I can imagine the people that hate on Halo are the people who don't have anybody to play it with.

there are people bashing killzone 2 and it hasnt came out yet and other people are really looking forward to it. maybe if a person didnt like halo 1 then they most likely wouldnt like halo2,3,odst, and wars. people have opinions...

"there are people bashing killzone 2 and it hasnt came out yet and other people are really looking forward to it. maybe if a person didnt like halo 1 then they most likely wouldnt like halo2,3,odst, and wars. people have opinions..."

If someone didn't like a game when it came out, why would they suddenly start liking it?

You won't find many people that hate Halo.

It's just that the series hasn't evolved since then.

"You won't find many people that hate Halo.

 

} but if had the first good controls in a console FPS. You can move and aim in a proper speed , shoot with just right amount of auto-aim to shoot with a nice precision.

"

"Jayge said:

"You won't find many people that hate Halo.

O rly?

  

"

"jagt707 said:

 

} but if had the first good controls in a console FPS. You can move and aim in a proper speed , shoot with just right amount of auto-aim to shoot with a nice precision.

"

Umm no, Halo was not the first...it was the first w/ "press the easy button" controls yes on consoles, but not the first console FPS w/ good controls.  Fuck the PSOne had some good FPS controls in the original 2 MoH games.

Halo 1 is and forever will be a great game.  But halo 2 single player sucked dog ass"

"jagt707 said:

"Jayge said:

"You won't find many people that hate Halo.

O rly?

  

"

He's talking about Halo 3, isn't he?

I am discussing the original Halo."

He talks about the 360 and crap. He's talking about Halo 3.

"Jayge said:

"You won't find many people that hate Halo.

O rly?

  

"

Goldeneye? Nah man. CS is original

Who cares?

If you like it play it, if not, dont.

I cant stand GTA4, but I dont whine about how this site seems to be all rock hard over it.

"jagt707 said:

"Jayge said:

"You won't find many people that hate Halo.

O rly?

  

"

As I said.  Assholes hate Halo"

I don't hate Halo. The game is pretty good - what I hate is the fanboys who go "OMG Halo is teh best FPS EVAR!!!!".

Hating halo makes you kewl apparently

not that i care, it's no secret that it's an amazing game with possibly the best multiplayer ever to be found

Oh no not you, you're the first Halo fanboy I've ever seen.

"jagt707 said:

"Then they bring up Goldeneye 007 as the defining light for console shooters. Really, Goldeneye 007? Sure the game was good for the consoles back in it’s time but compared to Quake II which was released the same year the game was primitive."

I can think of a number of reasons why Goldeneye 007 was better than Quake 2.

• Released months prior to Quake 2 (Goldeneye - August 1997 / Quake 2 - December 1997).
• Quake 2 was basically Quake 1, except not as good imo. Goldeneye was a new experience and didn't use a pre-existing engine.
• Good indoor and outdoor levels, Quake engine doesn't portray environments as realistically.
• Colourful environments and characters, Quake 2 had a weak palette.
• The weapons felt right, they were more fun to use.
• Goldeneye had lots of multiplayer options and cheats, it was generally a more fun and creative game.
• 2D sprites instead of models/particle FX for effects is more appropriate and effective (Try shooting a window in Quake 2, they crumble into rocks instead of glass. Explosions were weak too.)

• Quake 2's models had that horrible shading and wobbly / vertex animation. Goldeneye charcters were flat shaded and motion-captured. Characters could look up down appropriately.
• Better AI and path-finding, Goldeneye's enemies could usually follow you all the way around the maps...Quake 2 path-finding often got the enemies stuck. They'd also crouch, evade, utilize alarms and they had locational damage with appropriate animations.
• Etc, etc...

Many PC shooters like Soldier of Fortune tried to capture the essence and quality of Goldeneye but suffered in many areas because of the Quake 2 engine. Goldeneye falls more in line with less serious games like Duke Nukem 3D and MDK which were imo way more exciting and better designed experiences than Quake 2.

As for Halo, it wasn't really revolutionary...the vehicles were done well though.

"

I loved Halo because AMERICA!

"Oh no not you, you're the first Halo fanboy I've ever seen."

"jagt707 said:

"Oh no not you, you're the first Halo fanboy I've ever seen."

:S

I'm not the one who proclaims killzone 2 will be better than all the halos combined"

"Halo is a good game but it's highly overrated. And the multiplayer is FAR from the best of all time mainly due to all the idiot 5 year olds who play it."

"jagt707 said:

"Miniman said:

"Halo is a good game but it's highly overrated. And the multiplayer is FAR from the best of all time mainly due to all the idiot 5 year olds who play it."

That's not the game's fault. Counter-Strike has more idiots than the multiplayer in GTA IV but I never hear anyone complain about it."

It's easier to get rid of the idiots on Counter Strike then it is on Halo."

"jagt707 said:

"Dude you are portraying Quake II as if it were a Tom Clancyish realistic tactical shooter game. It's a fucking bizzare futuristic/medieval style theme for god sake which explains why there weren't many color palatte and oddly shaped enemies. The weapons in Goldeneye 007 felt weak and unispired. Quake II ran better, had better weapons, better single player, better multiplayer, and it is better than the original."

I didn't say anything Quake 2 being a realistic tactical shooter, all the things I mentioned were regarding the technology/design of the game. I didn't even say the enemies were oddly shaped. I was talking about the way the characters look like they're made out of jelly.

If you want to compare bizzare futuristic games made in 1997, MDK blows Quake 2 out of the water in terms of design!

"

A lot of people are retarded and/or fanboys. Most of the people I know that bash it seem as if they've never even played it. I know one Nintendo fanboy (not here at GiantBomb) who constantly bashes Halo for not being innovative. The game single-handedly set the new standard for console FPS games and totally raised the bar for the genre as a whole. Few games push the envelope as much as the Halo series has.

"I don't hate Halo. The game is pretty good - what I hate is the fanboys who go "OMG Halo is teh best FPS EVAR!!!!"."

I really enjoyed Halo 2 back in the day.

I haven't played Halo 3 but I hear it's sub-720p; which is pretty much unforgivable for a game of it's "calibre".

"jagt707 said:

"Yes it does but Quake II looked amazing for its time. The enemies didn't look jelly too me but they looked liked piles of meat stuck together where the characters in Goldeneye 007 looked like Legos."

I agree, it was great for it's time. I don't hate Quake 2, but what I am trying to say is that it's not that different from Quake because it only came out a year later. Many of the engine enhancements were already introduced in the OpenGL port of Quake that they had made. What makes Goldeneye a better game for me is that it was in development for roughly 3 years and while the PC had a lot of copycat games based on iD's games, Goldeneye introduced just as many revolutionary features to the genre too and on a console no less.

"

Who cares who did what first? Really? Does it really change things if we say who did what first? It doesn't matter. Really, it doesn't.

"jagt707 said:

"Whoa, Goldeneye 007 didn't bring anything revolutionary except for the use on a sniper rifle scope and specific body part damage....oh wait Chasm The Rift did that first."

Oh yeah, you wanna debate this then son?

MDK is the first game recognised for using a sniper rifle mechanic (May 1997)
Chasm The Rift came out AFTER Goldeneye (September 1997)

I thought this was about Halo anyway, I guess your posts prove a certain point in that regard though. People think Halo was more revolutionary than it actually was. It has it's good moments though and was a solid game, but i've never been a fan though. The fact that they half-assed the PC port of the game is partly why i'm not keen on it too.

"

i disagree, everyone i know in real life, enjoys halo and can't wait for it. but then again we only play xbox like an hour a day at most and not every day

"i disagree, everyone i know in real life, enjoys halo and can't wait for it. but then again we only play xbox like an hour a day at most and not every day"