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Halo 3 is a video game that consists of 14 releases

Halo 3's story

Topic started by SmugDarkLoser on June 28, 2009. Last post by L4wz 2 weeks, 6 days ago.
Post by AgentJ (6,531 posts) See mini bio
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Play Halo, then play something like Fallout 3, or even read a good book. Then tell me Halo doesn't have a half-baked story. 


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@AgentJ said:
" Play Halo, then play something like Fallout 3, or even read a good book. Then tell me Halo doesn't have a half-baked story.  "
This is pretty much it. You keep saying that Halo 'doesn't hit you over the head with the story,' but the fact remains that it doesn't matter how many details you throw in when the core exposition is not well written.


Post by primehunter326 (23 posts) See mini bio
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Honestly my biggest issue with the way the story is presented in Halo 3 and to a lesser extent Halo 2 is that it tries too hard to be "epic".  This just has the effect of making it feel really lame.  A lot of this has to do with the music, while being good, never seems to fit the scene with all of the scores coming up at the wrong times.

At least the cutscenes were good.


Post by jNerd (1,146 posts) See mini bio
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I've enjoyed Halo's story thoroughly throughout all the games, I think it's a lot stronger then most other FPS's (i.e. Gears of War)


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@Lies said:
" I love Halo as much as the next guy Smug. But Halo 3's story was shit. "
I have to agree with every word in lie's post. Hell i have a halo avatar

But really, halo 1 was mysterious, alien and exciting, halo 2 was the big unravelling, halo 3 was.... nothing.

You thought that when you got the cortana message about there being another way to sotp the flood through the mysterious portal that you were about to discover something entirely new to the halo universe, but it was just a supersize halo ring.


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Halo 2 has the best story. Aside from the First encounter with the Flood, Halo CE's Story didn't really entice me much. Halo 3 is second in terms of story and in terms of the actual game with Halo CE taking best overall game in my book.

Its just that Halo 2 had such deep insight into the Covenant Political system.


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Heh I didn't realize until after my post that I'd revived a dead topic

Anyways to add on to what I said before, I actually do like the halo universe.  The thing is that the games do a lousy job presenting the events that take place.  I agree that the first game had that kind of mysterious feeling to it as you played, it had a good atmosphere.  The problem is that unless you read the Fall of Reach, the plot seemed like a throwaway.  Halo 2 had the best story, it suffered from poor presentation to a lesser extent than halo 3 and there was lots of depth which made it interesting. 


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I like the stories in all the Halo's, I think they tell a good tale.


Post by iAmJohn (1,455 posts) See mini bio
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The story they tell in the outside fiction might be the greatest thing ever.  It doesn't change the fact that the story told in the games is incomprehensible nonsense that's terrible.


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i thought that the story was well fitting with the end of a loved trilogy


Post by HAMMERCLAW (206 posts) See mini bio

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 As science fiction, the Halo story is pretty ordinary. It hearkens back to the pulps of the thirties and such classics as E.E. (Doc) Smith's Lensman Series (excellent material for a game of it's own, by the way) and Edmond Hamilton's Captain Future.  Even so, it has ten times the story of your average non-japanese game, and that, combine with excellent voice acting and endearing characters--along with the novelizations, has made it an epic that has captivated it's fans for years. Unfortunately the single player experience and the story, took a definite back seat to the online multi-player part of the game, after Halo 2, and the trend culminated in a distinctly brief and painfully truncated single-player conclusion to the story in Halo 3. One can only dream about what the game COULD have been, had less resouces been, in this writer's opinion at least, squandered on the multiplayer aspect.



Post by imhuntad (71 posts) See mini bio
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I have a decent mindset I use while watching Sci Fi, as well as for Anime, but Halo's story just didn't overly impress me. In fact, sadly, it didn't do much to pull me in at all. The cortana story arc/line/whatever could have been really great, if it didn't intrude on the gameplay soooo much. The story about the covenant 'teaming' up with the humans to defeat the flood was alright, but I wish more was placed in the first game to at least hint at it. Overall though, It's a decent story and a great game.

On the youtube video itself, I love when users submit whole collections of cutscenes from games like that. Nice!


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@AgentJ said:
" Play Halo, then play something like Fallout 3, or even read a good book. Then tell me Halo doesn't have a half-baked story.  "
Sorry, but no.  I'd easily take Halo's over Fallout 3's.  Obviously a book is going to have a better story, but in that case I'd recommend the Halo novels.  They really go into the backstory and explain a lot more of the universe.  I have to admit, when I first played Halo, I didn't think much of it, but it's very easy to get caught up in the universe.  The overall plot just works well and the characters are compelling enough to carry it.  I'm looking forward to ODST, because it's always great to see it from another perspective.

Halo will always have its haters, I guess.  But I just tend to laugh, it's clear when they have no idea what they're talking about.  Yes, I'm looking at you Meowayne.


Post by Meowayne (2,840 posts) See mini bio
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WinterSnowblind, I have played all Halo games. I don't hate them. I still play Halo 3 once in a while.  I've had a blast with 3's campaign in 3-player Co-Op. The Halos are good, worthwhile FPS games.

But anyone who has anything positive to say about Halo 3's story, plot, writing or execution needs help. Badly.


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@WinterSnowblind said:
" @AgentJ said:
" Play Halo, then play something like Fallout 3, or even read a good book. Then tell me Halo doesn't have a half-baked story.  "
Sorry, but no.  I'd easily take Halo's over Fallout 3's.  Obviously a book is going to have a better story, but in that case I'd recommend the Halo novels.  They really go into the backstory and explain a lot more of the universe.  I have to admit, when I first played Halo, I didn't think much of it, but it's very easy to get caught up in the universe.  The overall plot just works well and the characters are compelling enough to carry it.  I'm looking forward to ODST, because it's always great to see it from another perspective.

Halo will always have its haters, I guess.  But I just tend to laugh, it's clear when they have no idea what they're talking about.  Yes, I'm looking at you Meowayne.
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I haven't read the books, but going on just the game itself (i did say "Play", not "read" Halo), there are few quality games whose stories are worse than halo. If you have to read a seperate book to get a full experience out of it, then something is very wrong. 


Post by WinterSnowblind (645 posts) See mini bio
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You don't need to have read the books to get anything out of the story, I was just saying they expand on it and help flesh out the universe.

@Meowayne said:
" WinterSnowblind, I have played all Halo games. I don't hate them. I still play Halo 3 once in a while.  I've had a blast with 3's campaign in 3-player Co-Op. The Halos are good, worthwhile FPS games.But anyone who has anything positive to say about Halo 3's story, plot, writing or execution needs help. Badly. "

Inwhich case, I'll assume you've never played any of the Halo games.  There may not be anything overly complex about the Halo story, and it doesn't at any point deteriote into a sappy love story, but that's what I've always liked about it.  If you'd rather play something like Final Fantasy, that's much more story centric, than go ahead.  But that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with Halo's.  Infact, I have to comend them for being able to create such a diverse universe and characters in the games, without having to resort to hours upon hours of dialogue, ala Metal Gear Solid.  And yes, the story, plot, writting and execution of MGS is well below that of Halo.


Post by Meowayne (2,840 posts) See mini bio
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You define the quality of story and storytelling by the number and nature of plot elements and actors. That's very cool. See ya then.


Post by HAMMERCLAW (206 posts) See mini bio

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@AgentJ said:
"Play Halo, then play something like Fallout 3, or even read a good book. Then tell me Halo doesn't have a half-baked story.  "

Fallout 3 has a story? Really? Damn! I must have missed it. Fun to play, though.


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@AgentJ said:
" Play Halo, then play something like Fallout 3, or even read a good book. Then tell me Halo doesn't have a half-baked story.  "
So wait, Saving the wasteland by purifying water sounds pretty epic, right?
 
My favourite authors are sci-fi writers like Assimov, Baxter and Clarke and I love the Halo story and have yet to read a single Halo book.  Don't instantly dismiss a story just because you went into the game with a predisposition.


Post by AgentJ (6,531 posts) See mini bio
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@Vecta said:
" @AgentJ said:
" Play Halo, then play something like Fallout 3, or even read a good book. Then tell me Halo doesn't have a half-baked story.  "
So wait, Saving the wasteland by purifying water sounds pretty epic, right?   My favourite authors are sci-fi writers like Assimov, Baxter and Clarke and I love the Halo story and have yet to read a single Halo book.  Don't instantly dismiss a story just because you went into the game with a predisposition. "
Not at all. It doesn't take a predisposition to realize that Halos story is pretty weak. Lets review: A space Marine has to take out a bunch of evil aliens that want to kill all the humans. If it went into more of the lore within the game maybe my opinion would be different, but the first two games are exceedingly bland, while the third one trys to make some sort of twist out of Chiefs relationship with Cortana while nothing actually happens concerning that relationship until the very last level. 


Post by Vecta (135 posts) See mini bio
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@AgentJ said:

" @Vecta said:

" @AgentJ said:
" Play Halo, then play something like Fallout 3, or even read a good book. Then tell me Halo doesn't have a half-baked story.  "
So wait, Saving the wasteland by purifying water sounds pretty epic, right?   My favourite authors are sci-fi writers like Assimov, Baxter and Clarke and I love the Halo story and have yet to read a single Halo book.  Don't instantly dismiss a story just because you went into the game with a predisposition. "
Not at all. It doesn't take a predisposition to realize that Halos story is pretty weak. Lets review: A space Marine has to take out a bunch of evil aliens that want to kill all the humans. If it went into more of the lore within the game maybe my opinion would be different, but the first two games are exceedingly bland, while the third one trys to make some sort of twist out of Chiefs relationship with Cortana while nothing actually happens concerning that relationship until the very last level.  "
Congratulations, you shorted down a story to a single line and made it sound shallow.... 
"Lets Review:"
 Did you know in The Lord of the Rings that a hobbit takes the evil ring to a volcano and destroys its. Sounds pretty epic right?
How about in Star Wars; The Rebels try to destroy the Galactic Empire. Sounds even more epic. 
Or how about when I said for Fallout 3 "Saving the wasteland by purifying water sounds pretty epic"? I guess you didn't pick up on that.
 
You can make anything sound stupid and shallow by turning it into a One line summary.


Post by AgentJ (6,531 posts) See mini bio
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@Vecta said:
" @AgentJ said:

" @Vecta said:

" @AgentJ said:
" Play Halo, then play something like Fallout 3, or even read a good book. Then tell me Halo doesn't have a half-baked story.  "
So wait, Saving the wasteland by purifying water sounds pretty epic, right?   My favourite authors are sci-fi writers like Assimov, Baxter and Clarke and I love the Halo story and have yet to read a single Halo book.  Don't instantly dismiss a story just because you went into the game with a predisposition. "
Not at all. It doesn't take a predisposition to realize that Halos story is pretty weak. Lets review: A space Marine has to take out a bunch of evil aliens that want to kill all the humans. If it went into more of the lore within the game maybe my opinion would be different, but the first two games are exceedingly bland, while the third one trys to make some sort of twist out of Chiefs relationship with Cortana while nothing actually happens concerning that relationship until the very last level.  "
Congratulations, you shorted down a story to a single line and made it sound shallow....  "Lets Review:" Did you know in The Lord of the Rings that a hobbit takes the evil ring to a volcano and destroys its. Sounds pretty epic right? How about in Star Wars; The Rebels try to destroy the Galactic Empire. Sounds even more epic.  Or how about when I said for Fallout 3 "Saving the wasteland by purifying water sounds pretty epic"? I guess you didn't pick up on that.  You can make anything sound stupid and shallow by turning it into a One line summary. "
Please then, elaborate on Halos story. Honestly nothing related to the story was interesting enough for me to remember. And your synopsises weren't very effective, because the Lord of the Rings and Fallout 3 ones actually do sound pretty epic. That wasn't even the point of my halo summary though. that was just demonstrating how common it was.


Post by HAMMERCLAW (206 posts) See mini bio

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There's no point in arguing with an idiot, Vecta; doesn't mean a thing if you win. My favorite Sci-Fi author, Robert Heinlein, wrote in his novel, "Have Space Suit, Will Travel: "A reverence for life does not require a man to respect nature's obvious mistakes."


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the halo 3 story, and campaign was garbage. Halo Combat Evolved has the best campaign and story out of all the Halo games.


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@Brendan said:
"  what with the overly striking resemblance to Halo 1. "  
I think that was supposed to be the point.


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I feel like in this thread there is a massive confusion between the terms "good story" and "deep story".  Halo has a "deep story" but contrary to what some of you believe, that doesn't instantly make it good.  Infact a simple story can have far more impact on a player than one that requires somebody to do their own digging.  Halo, all of the games, were tecnically well made, anybody who questions that is just trying to start trouble.  The story in the games, although not awful, is far from great.


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I liked the story, weren't mind-blowingly great though. It is better than what people deem to be shit because it's halo, and anti-halo people are just as annoying as people who won't see any flaws in halo either.


Post by killdave (742 posts) See mini bio
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As far as pure Sci-Fi story goes, Halo series is up there with the best of them


Post by Brendan (468 posts) See mini bio
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@Aaox said:
" @Brendan said:
"  what with the overly striking resemblance to Halo 1. "  
I think that was supposed to be the point. "

O yeah I get why they did it, I just think it made the game less fulfilling then it could have been.





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