Shops breaking street date

#1 Posted by SpacePenguin (479 posts) -

I know the shop im goin to is, when I went in to reserve my copy they told me I could pick it up on saturday. 
 
Do you guys think alot of shops are going to break the street date for this?

#2 Edited by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@SpacePenguin said:

" I know the shop im goin to is, when I went in to reserve my copy they told me I could pick it up on saturday.   Do you guys think alot of shops are going to break the street date for this? "

Supposedly they all ready have. Breaking street date is nothing new at all.  
 
If you wanna have some fun. Get your game. Then report them to MS.  
 
Might wanna be careful. MS smacked a few people who pirated the game and where playing early. 
#3 Posted by SpacePenguin (479 posts) -
@The_Laughing_Man:  But MS cant do anything to anyone if they actualy bought it, can they?
#4 Posted by ch13696 (4582 posts) -
@The_Laughing_Man said:
" @SpacePenguin said:

" I know the shop im goin to is, when I went in to reserve my copy they told me I could pick it up on saturday.   Do you guys think alot of shops are going to break the street date for this? "

Supposedly they all ready have. Breaking street date is nothing new at all.   If you wanna have some fun. Get your game. Then report them to MS.   Might wanna be careful. MS smacked a few people who pirated the game and where playing early.  "
Great way to get them pirates, but I feel bad for the people that bought the game and don't know any better.
#5 Posted by ch13696 (4582 posts) -
@SpacePenguin said:
" @The_Laughing_Man:  But MS cant do anything to anyone if they actualy bought it, can they? "
They've done it before. 
#6 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@SpacePenguin said:
" @The_Laughing_Man:  But MS cant do anything to anyone if they actualy bought it, can they? "
These are the people who are raising live 10 bucks for a year. Who knows what they will do. Might wanna be careful. Cause they came out and out right side " we banned these people for having the game early" 
#7 Edited by Helushune (212 posts) -
@SpacePenguin said:

" @The_Laughing_Man:  But MS cant do anything to anyone if they actualy bought it, can they? "

They've banned people in the past who bought games "legitimately" (technically it's not because you're knowingly buying it before its release date) for playing early.  Just don't play it until it actually comes out.
 
EDIT: Breaking street dates is foolish anyway.  It doesn't help anyone and actually hurts consumers.
#8 Posted by SpacePenguin (479 posts) -
@The_Laughing_Man: Wow ... people arnt doing anything wrong if they legally bought it.
#9 Posted by Bionicicide (1213 posts) -

Please post sources of Microsoft banning people who bought and played the game before release. I call bullshit on that.

#10 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@SpacePenguin said:
" @The_Laughing_Man: Wow ... people arnt doing anything wrong if they legally bought it. "
Its sort of the same idea as getting stolen property. You are part of the "crime" 
#11 Posted by ch13696 (4582 posts) -
@Helushune said:
" @SpacePenguin: @SpacePenguin said:

" @The_Laughing_Man:  But MS cant do anything to anyone if they actualy bought it, can they? "

They've banned people in the past who bought games "legitimately" (technically it's not because you're knowingly buying it before its release date) for playing early.  Just don't play it until it actually comes out.  EDIT: Breaking street dates is foolish anyway.  It doesn't help anyone and actually hurts consumers. "
Are we talking about account bans or is this console bans? If it's a console ban then that's really fucked up. Literally keeping your console from playing online because you bought a game early is not the right way to go.
#12 Edited by jimmy5150 (120 posts) -
@The_Laughing_Man said:

" @SpacePenguin said:

" @The_Laughing_Man: Wow ... people arnt doing anything wrong if they legally bought it. "
Its sort of the same idea as getting stolen property. You are part of the "crime"  "
not really....you still legitimately paid for it.  Stepto (director of enforcement at Xbox Live) has gone on record several times saying that only the stores themselves are at fault for breaking street date.  People only get banned if they download the game to play on their modded xbox or play the game without spending any money.  So, if you manage to score a game early, play it and have fun, but dont be surprised if you see a completely different staff the next time you go to that gamestop!
#13 Posted by chris_stranges@yahoo.com (7 posts) -
@SpacePenguin said:
" I know the shop im goin to is, when I went in to reserve my copy they told me I could pick it up on saturday.   Do you guys think alot of shops are going to break the street date for this? "
I guess just don't play it online until Tuesday?
#14 Posted by mazik765 (2316 posts) -
@Bionicicide said:
" Please post sources of Microsoft banning people who bought and played the game before release. I call bullshit on that. "
This. I know when Halo 3 was released a few stores broke street date by a week and they let the people play without any fuss. Now the stores on the other hand I think experienced some legal troubles....
#15 Posted by Ryax (4630 posts) -
@The_Laughing_Man said:
" @SpacePenguin said:
" @The_Laughing_Man: Wow ... people arnt doing anything wrong if they legally bought it. "
Its sort of the same idea as getting stolen property. You are part of the "crime"  "
yep. an accessory. but like laughing man said. get the game. then report the store. then play when its the release day. i think it would be funny/
#16 Posted by Junkerman (284 posts) -

Just play offline until the street date.

#17 Posted by Helushune (212 posts) -
@Bionicicide said:
" Please post sources of Microsoft banning people who bought and played the game before release. I call bullshit on that. "
They purge the account suspension forums every few months but I saw it for Halo3: ODST, Forza 3, Modern Warefare 2, etc.  Provided, not everyone is caught but that's no excuse to do it.
#18 Posted by jimmy5150 (120 posts) -
@mazik765 said:
" @Bionicicide said:
" Please post sources of Microsoft banning people who bought and played the game before release. I call bullshit on that. "
This. I know when Halo 3 was released a few stores broke street date by a week and they let the people play without any fuss. Now the stores on the other hand I think experienced some legal troubles.... "
This man speaks the truth.  When I was a gamestop employee, one of the other stores in our district broke Bioshock's street date, and everybody who sold a copy of Bioshock early was fired.  However, microsoft has no reason to ban you for something that a retailer does wrong.  I guarantee that all of the suspensions you have seen related to prerelease play are people who have torrented a game that leaks to the internet.
#19 Posted by Callumrides (357 posts) -

so just a quick question my halo reach just arrived today in the mail , do you guys reckon its safe to play online or should i just stay unconnect  live till it comes out thanks

#20 Edited by Gamer_152 (14126 posts) -

It seems a bit stupid that shops would break street date when Microsoft are banning those who play the game before the launch date. I think a few retailers may have dropped the ball on this one and not known it.

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#21 Posted by Borodin (417 posts) -

I'm not trying to get anyone into trouble but in the past when this situation has happened, MS have gone out of their way to say that if you bought the game legitimately before the street date, you won't get banned - just because *we* know that Reach's release date isn't till next week it doesn't mean Joe and Mrs. Average do, you can't ban someone for buying a game and playing it.

#22 Posted by Hitchenson (4682 posts) -

What's all this bullshit about getting banned if you're online with a legitimate copy? 
 
Straight from Bungie:   
 
" Some of you are playing Halo: Reach a little bit early. It happens. With millions of copies out of manufacturing quickly making their way into the massive global retail chain, it’s not terribly uncommon for a few discs to “accidentally” slip into a few lucky customers’ hands.   Que sera .

If you count yourself among that lucky few, there are a handful of things you need to be aware of that will likely impact your pre-launch Halo: Reach experience. First, you’re playing in what we consider a test environment. Several key services are disabled, or in various states of fluctuating functionality, and core elements of the game, including big ticket items like matchmaking, credit acquisition, and the daily challenge system are all running at less than optimal levels.

In addition, any Credits you earn during this slim pre-Launch window are going to be summarily and systematically reset prior to launch. Don’t get too attached to any fancy new gear you might have already acquired. Consider any expenditures or investments you’ve made in the Armory the cost of doing business early. It’s nothing personal; we just want to make sure the playing field is kept nice and level upon launch. It's only fair."

#23 Posted by sharma55 (455 posts) -

Just don't go online with the game till the 14th and you should be good.

#24 Posted by Yanngc33 (4461 posts) -
@SpacePenguin:
dont worry buddy im with you just play the game without live on that's what ive been doing for a day now. I hate the Microsoft can ban us. I think we're doing them a favor by playing their game in advance. How many of your friends are you gonna tell that you've been playing reach early and its totally bad ass ? Thats right, most of them ! we're spreading word of mouth for Microsoft, we're marketing the game to our friends. As long as you the buyer the halo fan has paid for it, you should be allowed to play the thing
#25 Posted by Sitoxity (544 posts) -

The place I'd ordered online have dispatched some copies, but I think that's just to ensure it'll arrive by Tuesday here in the UK. If it comes a couple days early, all the best. Microsoft won't ban anyone playing Reach with a legal copy, even if a shop broke street date, so there's nothing to worry about. This same thing happened with ODST, they can't ban you for legally buying their game.

#26 Edited by Ursus_Veritas (383 posts) -

Microsoft aren't banning people who received a legitimate copy and playing it early. They're banning jtagged 360's stupid enough to try and play it online. 
 
The only 'punishment' that's happening is that there will be a day one Credit Reset, so any armour permutations you unlocked during your early play are taken back from you, and your rank is set to zero, to level the playing field. 
 
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=BWU_090310 - Read the section of the latest bungie.net weekly updated entitled 'Steel Yourself':  
 
'If you count yourself among that lucky few, there are a handful of things you need to be aware of that will likely impact your pre-launch Halo: Reach experience. First, you’re playing in what we consider a test environment. Several key services are disabled, or in various states of fluctuating functionality, and core elements of the game, including big ticket items like matchmaking, credit acquisition, and the daily challenge system are all running at less than optimal levels.

In addition, any Credits you earn during this slim pre-Launch window are going to be summarily and systematically reset prior to launch. Don’t get too attached to any fancy new gear you might have already acquired. Consider any expenditures or investments you’ve made in the Armory the cost of doing business early. It’s nothing personal; we just want to make sure the playing field is kept nice and level upon launch.'
 
 
Edit: Ah, beaten to it! Thanks @Hitchenson

#27 Posted by RobbieMac (535 posts) -
@Callumrides:  If you are worried it is better to be safe than sorry.
 
Also the place I go to never break street date.  The guy who runs it is a huge tight ass about release dates.
#28 Posted by flufflogic (289 posts) -

A ton of UK stores have done so. 
 
Things is, with credits getting reset on the eve of release, why do it? It'll lose you the ones you earned finishing Campaign even!

#29 Posted by TheGreatGuero (9130 posts) -

It comes out on the 12th, right? I ordered it with Free Super Saver Shipping on Amazon, because I'm not in that much of a hurry. Hopefully I'll get it by next Friday.

#30 Posted by jkz (4068 posts) -

Any idea what stores are breaking the street-dates (major chains?). I'm just sitting at home this weekend (a bit sick), so if I could pick it up it'd be nice.

#31 Posted by MrKlorox (11209 posts) -

fuck man... I hate halo but LOVE getting early releases. What the fuck is wrong with me? I'm tempted to go to my local shops and see if they have it.

#32 Posted by Helushune (212 posts) -

@Hitchenson said:

"What's all this bullshit about getting banned if you're online with a legitimate copy? 
 
Straight from Bungie:   
 
" Some of you are playing Halo: Reach a little bit early. It happens. With millions of copies out of manufacturing quickly making their way into the massive global retail chain, it’s not terribly uncommon for a few discs to “accidentally” slip into a few lucky customers’ hands.   Que sera . If you count yourself among that lucky few, there are a handful of things you need to be aware of that will likely impact your pre-launch Halo: Reach experience. First, you’re playing in what we consider a test environment. Several key services are disabled, or in various states of fluctuating functionality, and core elements of the game, including big ticket items like matchmaking, credit acquisition, and the daily challenge system are all running at less than optimal levels. In addition, any Credits you earn during this slim pre-Launch window are going to be summarily and systematically reset prior to launch. Don’t get too attached to any fancy new gear you might have already acquired. Consider any expenditures or investments you’ve made in the Armory the cost of doing business early. It’s nothing personal; we just want to make sure the playing field is kept nice and level upon launch. It's only fair." "


 

Xbox LIVE is not Bungie's service, it's Microsoft's.  Just because Bungie says it's OK doesn't mean Microsoft will be as lenient.
#33 Edited by Fattony12000 (7632 posts) -

You will NOT be banned for BUYING and playing any X360 game online, except by mistake (which MS can, of course, make). They know if you have a legitimate or ripped copy (unless you're fully up to date on your stealthing, even then, they will probably get you at some point) in your drive. I have played nearly every big release on the X360 for the past couple of years AT LEAST a day before the proper date, GoW 2 was five days in fact, and never had a problem. 
 
Unless, as I say, they make a mistake. 
 
But it's never happened with any of my 25 or so release-date-broken games.

#34 Posted by JackColt (88 posts) -

Bungie has already said there will be no repercussions against those who obtained the game early through legitimate means, including shops breaking street date. Buying a game from store is not the same as pirating a copy (obviously) and they can tell the difference between which version you are playing.  The only "negative" to buying early: They will be wiping ALL stats on Monday night before the actual release, so any online play will not count towards your rank or unlocks.  

They could not start banning people for playing retail early. The average consumer is not responsible for knowing whether or not a game has officially released. That is the job of the retailer. If someone walks into a store, and something is for sale there, and they buy that something with no reasonable means to know whether or not that something should be on sale or not yet, it is the fault of the retailer, and reprisals against the consumer would be pointless.  
 
If you find a store that is breaking the street date, good for you and have fun! I will be patiently waiting for Monday night. 

#35 Posted by Fattony12000 (7632 posts) -
@TheGreatGuero said:

" It comes out on the 12th, right? I ordered it with Free Super Saver Shipping on Amazon, because I'm not in that much of a hurry. Hopefully I'll get it by next Friday. "

14th of September 2010 
 
http://www.xbox.com/en-GB/games/h/haloreach/
#36 Posted by twstd4lfe (3 posts) -

It happens all the time in major cities with Mom & Pop chains....not to mention that Gamestop employees have been playing games early for YEARS....things were better back in the day when if you got it you sold it...not this distribution system crap tied with marketing that prevents games from selling early

#37 Posted by Renahzor (1003 posts) -
@Helushune said:
"

@Hitchenson said:

"What's all this bullshit about getting banned if you're online with a legitimate copy? 
 
Straight from Bungie:   
 
" Some of you are playing Halo: Reach a little bit early. It happens. With millions of copies out of manufacturing quickly making their way into the massive global retail chain, it’s not terribly uncommon for a few discs to “accidentally” slip into a few lucky customers’ hands.   Que sera . If you count yourself among that lucky few, there are a handful of things you need to be aware of that will likely impact your pre-launch Halo: Reach experience. First, you’re playing in what we consider a test environment. Several key services are disabled, or in various states of fluctuating functionality, and core elements of the game, including big ticket items like matchmaking, credit acquisition, and the daily challenge system are all running at less than optimal levels. In addition, any Credits you earn during this slim pre-Launch window are going to be summarily and systematically reset prior to launch. Don’t get too attached to any fancy new gear you might have already acquired. Consider any expenditures or investments you’ve made in the Armory the cost of doing business early. It’s nothing personal; we just want to make sure the playing field is kept nice and level upon launch. It's only fair." "


 

Xbox LIVE is not Bungie's service, it's Microsoft's.  Just because Bungie says it's OK doesn't mean Microsoft will be as lenient. "
 
At this close to release, you're pretty unlikely to get a console ban for playing.  As Bungie points out, they're well aware people get the game 'early', an so is MS.  If you got a ban for playing a full purchased game on a legit system you could appeal it and have the ban lifted, although it depends how many hoops you wanna go through including producing receipts etc...  MS wouldn't want the bad publicity from banning legit consoles for playing an actual retail pressed copy of a game.  Im certain the vast majority of bans are for pirate activity, and a good number of those will play stupid and clog the system for people who may have gotten a real, honest mistaken ban for playing a retail copy early.  
 
Super safe mode:  Dont play it till Tuesday.  Up to each person to decide the risk, for those who got it early. 
#38 Posted by SimbaDoozle (45 posts) -

Yeah, supposedly a lot of shops over here in the UK have broken street date. I've heard Amazon have shipped some early as well.

#39 Posted by Damien (1384 posts) -
@Renahzor said:
" @Helushune said:
"

@Hitchenson said:

"What's all this bullshit about getting banned if you're online with a legitimate copy? 
 
Straight from Bungie:   
 
" Some of you are playing Halo: Reach a little bit early. It happens. With millions of copies out of manufacturing quickly making their way into the massive global retail chain, it’s not terribly uncommon for a few discs to “accidentally” slip into a few lucky customers’ hands.   Que sera . If you count yourself among that lucky few, there are a handful of things you need to be aware of that will likely impact your pre-launch Halo: Reach experience. First, you’re playing in what we consider a test environment. Several key services are disabled, or in various states of fluctuating functionality, and core elements of the game, including big ticket items like matchmaking, credit acquisition, and the daily challenge system are all running at less than optimal levels. In addition, any Credits you earn during this slim pre-Launch window are going to be summarily and systematically reset prior to launch. Don’t get too attached to any fancy new gear you might have already acquired. Consider any expenditures or investments you’ve made in the Armory the cost of doing business early. It’s nothing personal; we just want to make sure the playing field is kept nice and level upon launch. It's only fair." "


 

Xbox LIVE is not Bungie's service, it's Microsoft's.  Just because Bungie says it's OK doesn't mean Microsoft will be as lenient. "
 At this close to release, you're pretty unlikely to get a console ban for playing.  As Bungie points out, they're well aware people get the game 'early', an so is MS.  If you got a ban for playing a full purchased game on a legit system you could appeal it and have the ban lifted, although it depends how many hoops you wanna go through including producing receipts etc...  MS wouldn't want the bad publicity from banning legit consoles for playing an actual retail pressed copy of a game.  Im certain the vast majority of bans are for pirate activity, and a good number of those will play stupid and clog the system for people who may have gotten a real, honest mistaken ban for playing a retail copy early.    
 
Super safe mode:  Dont play it till Tuesday.  Up to each person to decide the risk, for those who got it early.  "
This is right.
#40 Posted by flufflogic (289 posts) -

Let's just say if you preordered with Zavvi in the UK, you're not reading this, you're playing.

#41 Posted by WinterSnowblind (7617 posts) -
@flufflogic said:
" Let's just say if you preordered with Zavvi in the UK, you're not reading this, you're playing. "
Which is surprising, because they're usually horrible with deliveries!
It took them over a month just to process my order for Monster Hunter Freedom 2.
#42 Posted by TheSpartanDon (158 posts) -

I thought Zavvi was one of the unlucky stores to get shut down during the recession? 
 
Play.com sent out my Reach on Thursday, so here's hoping to getting it on Monday :D :P

#43 Posted by ry0wn (170 posts) -

I've bought a bunch of games before release, and Ive never got in trouble for doing so. I remember last year when Modern Warfare 2 came out, the only thing anybody worried about was Infinity Ward resetting the leaderboards upon release.
 
For everybody who's saying to not play it online until the game comes out, I hope you mean not being connected to the internet, because even if you're playing something alone like campaign, they still know you're on. The only way for them not to know is to not be connected to Live.

#44 Posted by Empirepaintball (1397 posts) -

Just have to play the campaign and set yourself as offline or something

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