The DLC Maps - Peoples Opinions

#1 Posted by Sitoxity (551 posts) -

Recently in my Halo: Reach outings, I've been playing almost exclusively in the Premium Playlists, as I feel the new maps they added are severely underused. There's only ever a couple hundred people playing in these playlists (compared to the thousands in others) and I made me wonder why.

Is it that people don't like these maps? Or is it just the fact that the other playlists have more people? Maybe people don't like the gametypes in these lists?

I'd really love to know any of you guys opinions, if you're still playing.

I personally think they're some of the best map designs in the game, and Tempest in particular is not only fun but spectacular looking. I have a great amount of fun playing on all of the Noble and Defiant Maps, I just think it's a shame not many other people seem to play them.

So, opinions?

#2 Posted by big_jon (5709 posts) -

They were good, though damnation is my least favourite so far, I don't like the flow of that map.

#3 Posted by big_jon (5709 posts) -

Oh and installation 04 is really amazing, ODSTs and set pieces being dropped are just awesome.

#4 Posted by Sitoxity (551 posts) -

Pretty sure neither of those are Noble or Defiant, let alone being in the game at the moment.

#5 Posted by MideonNViscera (2257 posts) -

I love Tempest and Breakpoint is pretty good too. It just sucks that they didn't make any DLC Required playlists to go with them. I got Noble maps a few times in regular playlists, but that never, ever happens with the Defiant ones. It feels like nobody bought that pack. Having DLC Required playlists "encourages" people to buy them, and gives the people who already bought them a way better way to play them.

#6 Posted by Sitoxity (551 posts) -

@MideonNViscera: They do have those playlists, but they're just solely for the DLC (even though I've seen a couple of Forge World/Invasion maps on there with different game modes)

I really wish they did it like Halo 3 and added them into the normal playlists. It would be great to play them more often.

#7 Posted by FajitaBoss (43 posts) -

@Sitoxity said:

I really wish they did it like Halo 3 and added them into the normal playlists. It would be great to play them more often.

I like both Noble and Defiant maps, this is my only complain not being able to play them more.

#8 Posted by Green_Incarnate (1788 posts) -

This is the same shit that happened in Halo 2, and Reach is nowhere near as popular as that game. Only when people are forced to download the maps, are when they become relevant. People only care about playing their favorite playlist, and if the new maps aren't part of that playlist, then you're boned.

#9 Edited by believer258 (11629 posts) -
@big_jon said:
 

They were good, though damnation is my least favourite so far, I don't like the flow of that map.

 Oh and installation 04 is really amazing, ODSTs and set pieces being dropped are just awesome.  

It would be great to know how you already have access to those maps. 
 
OP, I do wish they would be integrated into the normal playlists. However, a lot of people who didn't buy Halo 3's DLC complained about only having like 1 playlist to get on, so now they've changed it to where if you want to play on a new map, you have to pick one of the two playlists that feature them. So they're pretty much just screwing a different crowd. Which is wrong, because now they're sticking it right into the paying customers... 
 
 
...metaphor gone wrong. Anyway, say what you will about Call of Duty but at least its matchmaking allows anyone to play in any playlist regardless of whether or not they own DLC (I guess it just checks if you have it or not and checks the people you're playing with). I like Halo's multi better, but I wish they would throw the DLC maps into the mix. I want to play Infection and Team Deathmatch on some of the newer ones. 
 
EDIT: Also, I know this isn't going to happen, but it would be awesome if all of the maps across the entire series that weren't already ported to Halo Reach were completely reworked and put into Reach, similar to how some Halo 1 maps are getting placed into the Anniversary edition. This includes ODST's Firefight maps, by the way, which I found myself not playing as much due to the lack of options. I really didn't like all the skulls that were added. 
 
Also the PC exclusive maps. And I wish we could play Firefight on the multi maps and regular gametypes on the Firefight maps, just for the hell of it... 
 
...sorry, got off topic there for a bit.
#10 Posted by Sitoxity (551 posts) -

Yeah, the way the CoD games did the whole DLC problem was good, it's a shame that Reach hasn't had that implemented yet.

I'm okay with not having all the old maps back, though there are some I wish we had. Chrion couldn't work purely because the amount of teleporters they can have in the engine is a lot smaller than they'd need. (I'm sure I heard someone at Bungie talk about wanting to make it at some point...) but I would have loved a new version of Boarding Action.

I'm fine with the Firefight maps as they are, though I wouldn't mind having the ODST ones to play around with. As for MP in FF maps and vice versa, they're designed completely differently, so I doubt they'd work well as their opposites.

#11 Posted by big_jon (5709 posts) -
@believer258: PAX
#12 Posted by Rawrz (590 posts) -

I loved both DLC packs. I just tend to think those premium playlists arnt more played since they only have those DLC maps and it kinda gets boring to play the same few maps over and over. Ill occassionally get those maps to come up in normal playlists but its rare and sadly it usually ends up being Anchor 9 which is probably my least favorite of all the DLC maps.

#13 Posted by DonPixel (2585 posts) -

Both are good, great maps in both - They should fix the rotation, having them in the DLC premiun list is clearly not helping.

#14 Posted by Captain_Felafel (1552 posts) -

I have a feeling that after Anniversary comes out, the DLC map playlists will get a ton more foot traffic. That said though, it is a shame that they're underpopulated right now cause a lot of those maps are positively superb. Certain Affinity knows them some Halo maps!

#15 Posted by Slaker117 (4835 posts) -

I don't know if I've ever played a real game on it, but I love Highlands just for the way it looks, so I'm going to say that should be in the rotation more, if only because I think it's pretty.

#16 Posted by DonPixel (2585 posts) -

@Slaker117 said:

I don't know if I've ever played a real game on it, but I love Highlands just for the way it looks, so I'm going to say that should be in the rotation more, if only because I think it's pretty.

At peak hours there is arround 1k players in the premium DLC list - Getting constant games on those maps is NP

#17 Posted by TaliciaDragonsong (8698 posts) -

Might be just me, but I simply don't see the value in the map packs.
And cutting me off because I don't throw my cash down? Yeah, I'll be here enjoying Firefight matchmaking then.
I still think DLC is too expensive.

#18 Posted by Sitoxity (551 posts) -

@TaliciaDragonsong: I think we don't want to cut people off who don't buy the maps, because hey, that's your choice if you don't want them. It's just been proven that there is a way to have the DLC maps in these playlists without splintering the community, as was mentioned in CoD games.

Honestly, the map packs for Halo have always been good value to me. You get a decent number of them, they add in some achievements and they're always top quality. (Unlike the CoD DLC, which I do think is way overpriced, and why I never bought them)

The firefight map they added in one of the map packs (I forget which one) was actually pretty damned neat. Very fun.

#19 Posted by TaliciaDragonsong (8698 posts) -
@Sitoxity
I hear ya, its just quite silly to see a "You need DLC to play this playlist" etc.
I understand why and how, I just don't like the concept!
 
Can't speak for any Reach or CoD map packs, I only got the Halo 3 ones for free on the ODST disc ( right?) but I dislike it in general.
I was actually doubting to buy that map pack just for the Firefight map, I love firefight.
#20 Posted by ShaneDev (1696 posts) -

Halo Reach does integrate all the DLC maps into other non premium playlists. If everyone in a match has the maps they will be available to play the same as COD. I haven't bought any DLC maps so I don't know how often they come up but I remember it being a thing Bungie had stated since lots of people complained about not being able to play in popular playlists without DLC. 
 
I haven't bought any maps because I don't have the spare cash laying around and although the default maps in the game aren't great I still find them enjoyable. I might get them some day but Halo 4 is out next year and I might be better saving the money till then.

#21 Posted by Sitoxity (551 posts) -

@ShaneDev: Even if this is the case, they are extremely uncommon to the point where they just do not come up. I've never played a regular playlist on a DLC map.

#22 Posted by Mr_Skeleton (5137 posts) -

Some of them are cool but the fact that they aren't integrated in the main modes kind of ruins them to me, because I rarely play on premium slayer.

#23 Posted by DonPixel (2585 posts) -

@TaliciaDragonsong said:

@Sitoxity: I hear ya, its just quite silly to see a "You need DLC to play this playlist" etc. I understand why and how, I just don't like the concept! Can't speak for any Reach or CoD map packs, I only got the Halo 3 ones for free on the ODST disc ( right?) but I dislike it in general. I was actually doubting to buy that map pack just for the Firefight map, I love firefight.

Considering Reach is going to be the main Halo multiplayer hub for at least a couple of years more. DLC has more value than CoD ones.

Black ops just release a new DLC like a week ago... who's going to buy that with Mw3 coming in a couple of months?

#24 Posted by TaliciaDragonsong (8698 posts) -
@DonPixel
If you say so, I'm not up to date on Reach's community.
I'm still waiting for more Firefight maps or options.
 
Forge Firefight, it needs to happen.
Hell, import the ODST firefight maps, I'd pay for them ( I know, ironic).
#25 Posted by left4doof (286 posts) -

They did to little to late

#26 Posted by DonPixel (2585 posts) -

@left4doof said:

They did to little to late

They took to long to deliver balance updates yup, I still play it thou. There is no other multiplayer like it.

#27 Posted by davidinwrofy (71 posts) -

I want more map variety in Reach! I can count on my fingers the number of times a DLC map has come up in the regular playlists. And even if they come up, that's no guarantee they'll be selected. My biggest gripe with Reach that, having paid for two DLC packs, I hardly ever get to play on them. They're good maps, but largely ignored. Because Reach divides its (limited number of) maps into "big" and "small", if you play the "core" playlists (TD, Infection, Squad Slayer) you end up playing the same "small" maps over and over again. And, before anyone makes the point, the Forge maps (though some are pretty good) are no substitute for proper maps! I've played on the DLC-specific playlists a couple of times, but they are dominated by the very best players, making it quite hard for me to find competitive games. As has been pointed out above, COD does integration of DLC maps far better.

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