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    Heroes of the Storm

    Game » consists of 1 releases. Released Jun 02, 2015

    Heroes from Warcraft, StarCraft, Diablo, Overwatch, and other universes are summoned to the Nexus for five-on-five combat in Blizzard's take on the MOBA genre.

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    Fredchuckdave

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    #1  Edited By Fredchuckdave

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    So I've been playing a lot of Heroes of the Storm lately. You may ask, didn't you say Dark Souls II is the greatest shit ever? Well not quite, it is merely the 7th or 8th greatest shit ever; but I think if you find something truly brilliant it's in your best interest not to overplay it so that you cherish the times when you do play it. I've only played Vagrant Story 3 times through or so for example, and even a short game like Super Metroid I've only played 5 or 6 times. Yes, I do eventually have to write a review for Dark Souls II and ideally another couple miscellaneous blog posts; but I could write them in several months instead of immediately and do just as well.

    Back to the point, Heroes of the Storm is a lot of fun. A bit of history here: I played Brood War for 10 years and played all sorts of custom maps, the vast majority of which were awesome and unique. Then Warcraft 3 comes along with DoTA and that's all anyone played or made maps of (well that and just garbage or TDs), in essence DoTA killed mapmaking, so I passionately hate it for that. I don't care how good DoTA is it doesn't justify killing off over a thousand genres of maps; that shit's just stupid. Yes, eventually mapmaking would have died because of indy games but that's not how it went down.

    However I did enjoy the predecessors to DoTA and even Temple Siege in Brood War; Aeon of Strife was reasonably fun and I even talked to the mapmaker at some point; as I talked to all mapmakers in Brood War over the course of a decade. Sure Aeon of Strife didn't have the amazing depth of some of the other genres (which had more depth than DoTA as well), but it was a fun, relaxing game to play. Star Wars: AoTR was the best rendition of this type of map, as it had 3 factions and fairly radically different heroes. The troops in the game were so balanced that given no human intervention it took over 36 hours for the game to conclude; in favor of the most frequently doomed faction in regular games.

    So, DoTA was popular and a lot of developers thought "Hey let's make the exact fucking same thing and call it something else" because there's so little creativity in this genre (in sharp contrast to the UMS scene in Brood War). That's why they're DoTA clones and will always be DoTA clones. For a long time people just called them DoTA clones; but then some incredibly smart genius superman heroic majestic wordsmith came up with the term MOBA instead. What the fuck does that shit mean? Multiplayer Online Battle Arena? You mean like every game ever that has online multiplayer? How descriptive. No it's just an acronym that sounds like DoTA.

    Anyway basically every company has to make either one of these or a mobile game and Blizzard is no exception. Full disclosure: I played Guardians of Middle Earth when it was on PS+ and *gasp* enjoyed it (actually has more depth than Heroes of the Storm at present), but it did largely eliminate the needless obfuscation elements of DoTA. This is to some extent a relic from the UMS days in Brood War; a huge bias to people who had already played the game. It never really made games better it just made them inaccessible for no reason. Heroes of the Storm also eliminates the needless obfuscation; and thus is on the right track to actually doing something with this genre while still keeping true to the same format (there's plenty of examples of Non-DoTA Clone DoTA clones that exist in other genres and perform admirablly).

    For whatever reason the game is just not popular at all on twitch, which is basically the kiss of death for DoTA clones. But that also means that the vast majority of people playing the game are just straight up awful at it; so no matter what class I play the game is fun as shit because you can just massacre everyone. Note: I do think that approximately half of the players playing are actually just bots since they don't speak and don't act like humans. Not the Elite AI bots mind but lesser difficulty ones.

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    I've played a lot of Nova in this game, and as you might expect done well with her. But strangely it feels almost exactly the same as Warhammer Online did with a stealth character, the creeps are basically the zergling players; the other players are still quite stupid and require herding. So there's zerg-herding masterminds in Heroes that tell people what to do even if they don't have much of a conception of the game themselves. Most importantly almost no one knows how to use stealth effectively and frequently just pops and dies instantly; so being one of a scarce handful that do know how to use stealth makes you a mastermind or something.

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    But I've also played other characters, and while Nova is the most fun for ridiculous scorecards you can still dominate with a support hero or a specialist; just work at it a little. Groups are very rarely of the super suffocating kind in this game and you've pretty much always got an open shot at winning easily. It's basically like the incompetence of players in Battlegrounds in WoW combined with the mechanics of Warhammer. In a stroke of utter brilliance Blizzard actually made more than one map; sacrilege for DoTA clones; they've been using that same fucking not even as good as AoTR map for decades. And having more then one map; Surprise! makes the game more interesting. So 3 out of 4 matches will be different and interesting relative to the map you just played; and they'll probably eventually add more maps.

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    Put simply this is a great game to play if you want to destroy a bunch of mediocre-poor players. And since there is literally no popular streamer playing it if you're a competent player I'm sure you could start having a large following on twitch. I actually have a job for the time being and despite having a magnificent voice am not overly interested in playing video games as a job; but I'm sure someone else out there is. Just get good with a few different heroes and you're set; takes like 3-4 matches with a hero to get better than say 95-99% of the people playing right now.

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    It's in Beta currently? Do I need to apply to it, or is it open to everyone already?

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    #3  Edited By Fredchuckdave

    @seppli: It's in "Alpha" which is blizzard's new term for Beta (Beta being pre-release, open beta being release, and release being "here have a World of Warcraft mount"). Judging from how unpopular the game is (166 viewers at present) there's probably 100k invites out or so right now (there were 25k or so a few weeks ago) and there will be many more in the near future. Just apply in the beta checkbox screen in your battlenet account; I'm sure before long everyone will have an invite. At some point the game will get boring because of people actually playing vaguely correctly and overusing the OP heroes etc. but until then it's a blast. Probably won't get popular unless someone good takes advantage of the lack of streamers as mentioned or Blizzard has million dollar tourneys a la DoTA 2 (since that's originally what got more competitive people playing that).

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    @fredchuckdave: I think saying that it not having viewers already is the kiss of death might be jumping the gun a little, considering that it's super closed right now and most people don't have access to it. Then again, when Hearthstone was like that it was blowing up on Twitch, so who knows.

    Anyway, fuck MOBAs. I'll probably try this when I can and it'll remind me why the 100+ hours of LoL I played were a waste of my life.

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    #5  Edited By Fredchuckdave

    @bollard said:

    @fredchuckdave: Then again, when Hearthstone was like that it was blowing up on Twitch, so who knows.

    Yeah this is the main point, when Hearthstone had fewer keys out than Heroes of the Storm does now there were 20k twitch viewers.

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    #6  Edited By Corevi

    I might try it when I get a key but for someone who has played as much videogames as I have I am hilariously bad at most of them. My Dota 2 Win Ratio is somewhere at 1:4.

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    So I got my alpha key probably around the same time as your original post but didn't play any until this last weekend. I must say that this game does a lot of things that appeal to me that normal MOBA's don't. My background comes from being a heavy Smite player and got to the level 30 beta level cap prior to the game launching. I loved it and it was probably the game I spent the most time playing in the last 12 months. the thing I disliked about it was it was always a rush to select the character you wanted to play and tank and support classes were almost never selected first. Being the team player I almost always inevitably played one of the those two classes but not by choice but simply due to wanting to actually have a fighting chance in the game.

    The thing that HotS does right is letting you select your character prior to going into matchmaking. That is pretty effing brilliant if you ask me. No more fighting on the character select screen for the character you want. No more having to adhere to being the team player just simply playing who you want to play as.

    The other big thing I like is the team leveling system. It easy for a bad team to get behind still but its less likely that one player is going to drag a moderately decent team down. The biggest thing I find that drags teams down is not defending when Mercenaries are roaming or not capturing or defending objectives when the spawn in the environment. I do find the swings less drastic then a typical MOBA and if a dominating team gets wiped or was careless they aren't completely out of the game. that is especially true late game.

    Most of my games have been fairly close with either both teams beating on the Core prior to one winning or at least something relatively close. I've very rarely been beaten so bad that I wondered what was going on. I've also run into very few trolls who complain about people not doing things right. They are there but for the most the small community feels very welcoming to new comers.

    I'm really liking what I've played so far and honestly can't wait to keep playing some more. I do feel like there are some balance issues that need to be sorted out but that's true for any MOBA.

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    #8  Edited By Fredchuckdave

    @zirilius: People are actually getting sort of good at the game now, so it takes effort kind of. Definitely not a ton of blowouts in general though, which is what the team leveling solves. Maybe you lose because of a stupid hero like Murky but it takes a while and you kill more of the other team than they do of your team and so on. A whopping 75 twitch viewers for HoTS at present.

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    #9  Edited By Zirilius

    @fredchuckdave: Yeah I notice how quickly I get dominated when I'm playing a really good team of players or a really good person who knows their abilities

    It does have an incredibly small following on twitch compared to just about every other game in existence. I learned a lot about Smite from watching the SmiteGame and SmitePro channels. Would definitely watch something catered to that level of play.

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    @zirilius: I do think it's a good game but it's just in another in a sea of very similar games; they need maybe 10 maps (since that's probably the best part of the game) and another few dozen characters at least; so we're talking maybe 1.5-2 years before it goes into open beta/release at this rate.

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    @fredchuckdave: I do agree that its a long ways off and definitely needs more heroes. I find the Warcraft heroes very bland compared to the SC and Diablo characters. Would like to see Sylvanas and Thrall up in there along with some Deckard Cain. I'll play it here and there for now the time and being. I'm mostly playing it right now due to the lack of anything really substantial keeping my interest. Should keep me interested until Destiny and Dragon Age come out.

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