I dont understand all the hate?

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#1 Posted by scottp (231 posts) -

I have been playing this game for a hour and I like it quite a bit. What is everyone's beef?

#2 Edited by LassieME (229 posts) -

It has zombies in it. (Just for the record, I like WarZ quite a bit)

#3 Posted by Kraznor (1578 posts) -

Judging by perpetual outrage on reddit, seems people don't like the fact its in Alpha/Beta and they feel the description on Steam misrepresents the game's list of features.

#4 Posted by McGhee (6094 posts) -

Apparently, the developers are complete liars and the game plays like shit.

#5 Posted by Omega (828 posts) -

@McGhee said:

Apparently, the developers are complete liars and the game plays like shit.

You heard it here first folks, Game of the Year 2012.

#6 Posted by Cronus42 (274 posts) -

Its the shady things being done by the company more than anything. Its a fairly obvious ripoff of Day Z, down to the fact they started calling a big patch their "foundation" update. The Day Z team has been referring to the standalone as the foundation release since it was announced. This and other money grabbing strategies along with several accounts from former company members has made everything surrounding the game really frowned upon.

#7 Posted by Fredddi43 (316 posts) -

Well there's this thread on reddit from an ex moderator of the forum and he spilled quite a bit of dirt on the devs and their methods (random banning to sell more copies, missing features, etc...) and if that's true it sure is really bad. Then there's the issue of missing skills and small maps in the "final" version on Steam, and that many people (including me) feel like it's a ripoff of DayZ.

#8 Posted by CaLe (3909 posts) -

I'm bothered by the fact that this is topping Steam sales simply because it's a zombie game. This really needs to stop.

#9 Posted by Imsorrymsjackson (855 posts) -

My beef is that it is a shitty game that I regret buying.

#10 Posted by Nadril (523 posts) -

It's just not fun. You wander around for hours in a bland, ugly world looking for gear. You hope that your 30+ minute trek to that town will be met with finding some sort of item, but more often than not you don't. After a while your new characters don't even start with a flashlight, so you literally have to run from every zombie while trying to find a fucking weapon. (apparently it's too tough to pick up a piece of fuckin wood or a stick or something).

Once you find an item, usually after several hours of mindless walking around, you can then start playing. You can kill zombies... except that they are painfully boring to fight and absolutely no challenge. There is no real reward for killing them either , although they will drop money every now and then to use in the store. (rarely).

You can also take part in the PvP aspect of the game. Now, despite how absolutely awful this game is PvP can always be enjoyable just due to the nature of the full loot rules. However, chances are your PvP in this game will be camping in a small town, on a small server waiting for some sap to walk by so you can gank them really quick and take their stuff. Actual Fire fights are a rare happening. What is not so rare are hackers. Chances are if you wander into any slightly larger city on a slightly larger server you will just get headshot from across the map from a hacker. You'll lose your hours of mindless work (and I goddamn well mean work) to a hacker that the War-Z devs give zero fucks about.

And that really is the War-Z experience. Hell, most of the time I would wander around, finally find a melee weapon only to get shot in the back from some guy. Or I'll spawn with just a flashlight (or nothing, even) and get killed just as I get to an actual city. I fucking love PvP, and I love full-loot, but War-Z is a fucking pathetic excuse for a game. It's ugly, runs poorly, is infested with hackers and is just no fun to play. I've never played Day-Z so I don't know how similar the two are, but you should stay the fuck away from War-Z. I honestly don't know how people can defend this game at all.

#11 Edited by EpicSteve (6471 posts) -

I haven't played it and can't attest to the game's quality. But mainly from an outsider's perspective, it's the description of the game doesn't match what it actually is. For instance, it sells itself on fighting against "waves of undead", when in fact zombies are few and far between and the main opponents are other players. Another instance is the land mass is much smaller than how it was sold. All this is me just regurgitating info from a Kotaku article, so take this info with a grain of salt.

#12 Posted by SirOptimusPrime (1938 posts) -

The false advertisement seems pretty egregious.

Also, even though I find TotalBiscuit kind of grating at times, his video pretty much explains everything bad about the game.

#13 Posted by YOU_DIED (702 posts) -

@Omega said:

@McGhee said:

Apparently, the developers are complete liars and the game plays like shit.

You heard it here first folks, Game of the Year 2012.

awful unbalanced game, not fun, 10/10 would play again

#14 Posted by connerthekewlkid (1803 posts) -

@Fredddi43 said:

Well there's this thread on reddit from an ex moderator of the forum and he spilled quite a bit of dirt on the devs and their methods (random banning to sell more copies, missing features, etc...) and if that's true it sure is really bad. Then there's the issue of missing skills and small maps in the "final" version on Steam, and that many people (including me) feel like it's a ripoff of DayZ.

the mod came out awhile ago and confesed

#15 Posted by canucks23 (1087 posts) -
#16 Posted by WarlockEngineerMoreDakka (432 posts) -
  • False advertising
  • Shady business practices
  • They copied the League of Legends Terms of Service.
  • The product is being marketed and sold as a finished product- when its still an alpha at best

And then some.

And also- the being (or beings) that made Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing are at least partially behind this project.

That alone should prove to you that these developers are not humans- they are MONEY GRUBBING DEMONS WHO MUST BE PURGED FROM EXISTENCE. D:

>_>

<_<

:P

#17 Posted by connerthekewlkid (1803 posts) -

@canucks23: well the part about it being cheaper isnt true i guess true but they gave people $25 of in game money last patch

#18 Posted by zeekthegeek (381 posts) -

@connerthekewlkid said:

@Fredddi43 said:

Well there's this thread on reddit from an ex moderator of the forum and he spilled quite a bit of dirt on the devs and their methods (random banning to sell more copies, missing features, etc...) and if that's true it sure is really bad. Then there's the issue of missing skills and small maps in the "final" version on Steam, and that many people (including me) feel like it's a ripoff of DayZ.

the mod came out awhile ago and confesed

Here's the thing about that: 90 percent of the things he claimed were already well known facts about the devs. Also his 'retraction' seems really half-hearted, like doesn't mean it. I'd put money on Sergey - already a shady piece of shit developer, as shown in his condescending responses to peoples complaints - bribing or threatening him.

#19 Posted by Jrinswand (1695 posts) -
@Nadril said:

It's just not fun. You wander around for hours in a bland, ugly world looking for gear. You hope that your 30+ minute trek to that town will be met with finding some sort of item, but more often than not you don't. After a while your new characters don't even start with a flashlight, so you literally have to run from every zombie while trying to find a fucking weapon. (apparently it's too tough to pick up a piece of fuckin wood or a stick or something).

Once you find an item, usually after several hours of mindless walking around, you can then start playing. You can kill zombies... except that they are painfully boring to fight and absolutely no challenge. There is no real reward for killing them either , although they will drop money every now and then to use in the store. (rarely).

You can also take part in the PvP aspect of the game. Now, despite how absolutely awful this game is PvP can always be enjoyable just due to the nature of the full loot rules. However, chances are your PvP in this game will be camping in a small town, on a small server waiting for some sap to walk by so you can gank them really quick and take their stuff. Actual Fire fights are a rare happening. What is not so rare are hackers. Chances are if you wander into any slightly larger city on a slightly larger server you will just get headshot from across the map from a hacker. You'll lose your hours of mindless work (and I goddamn well mean work) to a hacker that the War-Z devs give zero fucks about.

And that really is the War-Z experience. Hell, most of the time I would wander around, finally find a melee weapon only to get shot in the back from some guy. Or I'll spawn with just a flashlight (or nothing, even) and get killed just as I get to an actual city. I fucking love PvP, and I love full-loot, but War-Z is a fucking pathetic excuse for a game. It's ugly, runs poorly, is infested with hackers and is just no fun to play. I've never played Day-Z so I don't know how similar the two are, but you should stay the fuck away from War-Z. I honestly don't know how people can defend this game at all.

The problem with The War Z is that you just perfectly described DayZ.
#20 Posted by Azteck (7449 posts) -

So many things. So, so many things.

#21 Posted by zeekthegeek (381 posts) -

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/12/19/the-war-z-no-longer-available-on-steam/

Valve have pulled the game.

#22 Posted by WarlockEngineerMoreDakka (432 posts) -

Well well, against all odds, Valve has actually stopped selling The WarZ. :O

I'm actually shocked Valve took action against it- given how well it was selling. >_>

#23 Edited by Trilogy (2645 posts) -

I've never played the game, but the other day a friend of mine linked me the steam page for WarZ as if to say "hey check this out". I was immediately put off, because it seems like it's a game that charges you up front, and then also has micro transactions. I told him it looked shady and by reading what you guys have to say about the game, it seems like I wasn't far off from the truth. Maybe I have good gaming instincts.

#24 Posted by MrKlorox (11203 posts) -
@Jrinswand said:
@Nadril said:

It's just not fun. You wander around for hours in a bland, ugly world looking for gear. You hope that your 30+ minute trek to that town will be met with finding some sort of item, but more often than not you don't. After a while your new characters don't even start with a flashlight, so you literally have to run from every zombie while trying to find a fucking weapon. (apparently it's too tough to pick up a piece of fuckin wood or a stick or something).

Once you find an item, usually after several hours of mindless walking around, you can then start playing. You can kill zombies... except that they are painfully boring to fight and absolutely no challenge. There is no real reward for killing them either , although they will drop money every now and then to use in the store. (rarely).

You can also take part in the PvP aspect of the game. Now, despite how absolutely awful this game is PvP can always be enjoyable just due to the nature of the full loot rules. However, chances are your PvP in this game will be camping in a small town, on a small server waiting for some sap to walk by so you can gank them really quick and take their stuff. Actual Fire fights are a rare happening. What is not so rare are hackers. Chances are if you wander into any slightly larger city on a slightly larger server you will just get headshot from across the map from a hacker. You'll lose your hours of mindless work (and I goddamn well mean work) to a hacker that the War-Z devs give zero fucks about.

And that really is the War-Z experience. Hell, most of the time I would wander around, finally find a melee weapon only to get shot in the back from some guy. Or I'll spawn with just a flashlight (or nothing, even) and get killed just as I get to an actual city. I fucking love PvP, and I love full-loot, but War-Z is a fucking pathetic excuse for a game. It's ugly, runs poorly, is infested with hackers and is just no fun to play. I've never played Day-Z so I don't know how similar the two are, but you should stay the fuck away from War-Z. I honestly don't know how people can defend this game at all.

The problem with The War Z is that you just perfectly described DayZ.
I was going to say just this.
#25 Edited by Canteu (2821 posts) -

False Advertising, along with being all the way illegal, has the ability to piss people off quite easily.

And, pay for items, that you lose upon death. Nope. Noooooooope.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPE.

@WarlockEngineerMoreDakka: Well Valve love money, but they don't like bad publicity.

#26 Posted by DrSwank (442 posts) -

@scottp said:

I have been playing this game for a hour and I like it quite a bit. What is everyone's beef?

If you like it, keep playing it. I'm sure by now you've gotten your money's worth. :)

People on the internet like to feel consoled by convincing others to believe what they believe... for some reason.

#27 Edited by SirOptimusPrime (1938 posts) -

@WarlockEngineerMoreDakka said:

Well well, against all odds, Valve has actually stopped selling The WarZ. :O

I'm actually shocked Valve took action against it- given how well it was selling. >_>

They've got some not-terrible business people then, 'cause anyone could tell you that getting #1 on the Steam charts now and losing all face for selling a hunk of incomplete shit is a bad risk to take.

#28 Posted by ch3burashka (5004 posts) -

Kotaku summed it up pretty well - the game and the drama surrounding it has mostly been a shitshow.

#29 Posted by Empirepaintball (1389 posts) -

I love the concept, but the execution is not good at all. I've had some good experiences playing with a couple of my buddies, us all sitting in our dorm rooms and yelling, but if you ever try and play it solo, it's zero fun at all.

#30 Posted by connerthekewlkid (1803 posts) -

@zeekthegeek said:

@connerthekewlkid said:

@Fredddi43 said:

Well there's this thread on reddit from an ex moderator of the forum and he spilled quite a bit of dirt on the devs and their methods (random banning to sell more copies, missing features, etc...) and if that's true it sure is really bad. Then there's the issue of missing skills and small maps in the "final" version on Steam, and that many people (including me) feel like it's a ripoff of DayZ.

the mod came out awhile ago and confesed

Here's the thing about that: 90 percent of the things he claimed were already well known facts about the devs. Also his 'retraction' seems really half-hearted, like doesn't mean it. I'd put money on Sergey - already a shady piece of shit developer, as shown in his condescending responses to peoples complaints - bribing or threatening him.

your saying you don't trust the developer of big rigs to make a quality product?

#31 Posted by fisk0 (3849 posts) -

@WarlockEngineerMoreDakka said:

And also- the being (or beings) that made Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing are at least partially behind this project.

That alone should prove to you that these developers are not humans- they are MONEY GRUBBING DEMONS WHO MUST BE PURGED FROM EXISTENCE. D:

Sergei Titov was listed as co-founder and owner of Stellar Stone (developer of Big Rigs), and seems to have been the main spokesperson or community manager for War Z. Seems like he had a major development role as well, when reading through the official forums for that game. Quite a fascinating story.

#32 Posted by TheSlothKing (329 posts) -

This sums up most of it.

#33 Posted by Residentrevil2 (431 posts) -

What are the chances it'll be back on steam next year? I wanted to see Patrick play the game...too bad.

#34 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -

There is a 11 page thread on their forums with a dev arguing that the screen shots on steam are real. But he has no way to prove it. No videos nothing at all.

#35 Posted by idBloc (126 posts) -

@TheSlothKing: my ears are bleeding; this video was awful

#36 Posted by Barrabas (325 posts) -

@Residentrevil2: The game is still out there, just not on steam. There's nothing stopping him from playing it right now if he really wanted to. I doubt he does though.

#37 Edited by Green_Incarnate (1788 posts) -

Ok, the real reason everyone hates this game: DayZ is a slightly better game. That's it. All this other crap about it still being in beta and false advertising are just fuel for everyone to take in and regurgitate back out. And that TotalBiscuit vid is total garbage. He's complaining about the graphics of a budget game. Meh.

#38 Posted by JoeyRavn (4947 posts) -

@SirOptimusPrime said:

Also, even though I find TotalBiscuit kind of grating at times, his video pretty much explains everything bad about the game.

No matter how hard I try, I will never be able to tolerate this TotalBiscuit guy. While he's right about this game being shit, his anti-Steam pro-Apple rant was extremely retarded. A lenghty, thorough approval process on iOS? Yeah, sure. How does he explain cases like this? And what the fuck does taking a jab at Dear Esther for being "boring" (hint: you didn't play the game right) benefit any part of his review?

Yeah. Can't stand him.

Online
#40 Posted by SlashDance (1803 posts) -

@JoeyRavn: Not to derail the subject, but how can you play Dear Esther wrong when all you have to do (all you can do, for that matter) is walk in a straight line ?

#41 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -

The new claim is thy the reason the screen shots that are on steam do not match the game because the screen shots where taken on another version of the game that was not releases becuase it was not optimized.

#42 Edited by connerthekewlkid (1803 posts) -

@PollySMPS said:

@JoeyRavn: I have a problem with anybody naming themselves "The Angry" The Cynical" or anything along those lines. Just what the internet needs! More faux-cynicism and anger. Yes, we totally believe you're SO ANGRY AT ALL THESE GAMES YOU TOTALLY JUST HAVE TO BE FORCED TO PLAY!

Today im announcing my new game channel guys The Angry Cynical Video Game Geek or ACVGG for short

#43 Posted by living4theday258 (678 posts) -
#44 Edited by Hawkerace (274 posts) -

-cough-

#45 Posted by august (3826 posts) -

Professionalism!

#46 Posted by Corvak (883 posts) -

It's become less a question of game quality (lots of games release as beta, especially Minecraft, beloved by the gaming community in general. Valve's own Dota 2 comes to mind as well) and more about the ethics surrounding marketing and managing a community.

The bannings, how they deal with criticism, and the features list on Steam, and copying directly from League of Legends are the big issues, even more than the fact that it's a DayZ clone. Valve considered the inconsistent and often straight up false feature list grounds for de-listing, for example.

#47 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -

Love how Sergey now says he is all depressed and wants to stop developing games.

Course you want to stop when you are called out on your bullshit.

#48 Posted by connerthekewlkid (1803 posts) -

@The_Laughing_Man said:

Love how Sergey now says he is all depressed and wants to stop developing games. Course you want to stop when you are called out on your bullshit.

your still on this? even reddit has stopped caring now

#49 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@connerthekewlkid

@The_Laughing_Man said:

Love how Sergey now says he is all depressed and wants to stop developing games. Course you want to stop when you are called out on your bullshit.

your still on this? even reddit has stopped caring now

And your still here as well. Also who cares about reddit?

Sergey got caught trying to pull some bullshit and now he is trying to play a pity card. But then opens his stupid mouth about the patent thing and shows everyone he doesn't know what he is talking about at all.
#50 Posted by Ravenlight (8040 posts) -

@The_Laughing_Man said:

Sergey got caught trying to pull some bullshit and now he is trying to play a pity card. But then opens his stupid mouth about the patent thing and shows everyone he doesn't know what he is talking about at all.

I seriously hope he's faced with legal action for his part in the War Z debacle. There has to be some sort of repercussions when somebody is that much of a failure at being a decent human being.

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