The War Z Pulled from Steam Amid Torrent of Complaints by Players

#151 Edited by Zatoichi_Sanjuro (945 posts) -

@Buckaroosamurai:

I don't think you're providing enough background information on the things you are saying, and as such, trying to spin what has occured in a different direction. From the beginning Sergey has been pretending the War Z was made before Day Z, promoting his game by disparaging Day Z continually. Even going so far as to create multiple sockpuppet accounts on the Day Z forum to promote it. The fact that it was so mind-numbingly obvious that this game was not in development years before Day Z, and was simply a cheap mod of War INC hurried to market to captialize on Rocket's success, was also a large part of the negativity felt toward War Z.

As for Devin, the former War Z forum mod, that incident only occured recently. And was a very minor one at that, contrary to what you stated. It didn't "turn out" he was disgruntled, It was known he had been banned, and had his privileges taken away. Sergey, the PR dunce that he is, had embroiled himself in a public war with a youtuber who made a negative video on War Z. Devin specifically went to that youtubers blog page, to try and entice him to make a video on his obvious nonsense. That's where the post originated. The youtuber didn't fall for it, and most other people didn't fall for it either.

The game itself is exactly what you would expect from a mediocre CoD clone repurposed to be a "zombie survival MMO". With a 50 player cap it's hardly an MMO. And when you can buy food/water/medicine when ever you need it, it's hardly a survival game.

#152 Posted by NoXious (1338 posts) -

The game obviously was in Beta, they should've treated it as such with a proper Store page warning the consumers that what was given wasn't even close to what is being promised. Shame it slipped through Stream, shame the Developer sought no need to warn it's potential fans.

@Buckaroosamurai:

I honestly wonder about all of your comments considering the last paragraph written...

Hacking for FPS games has been the norm for PC gamers for ages now. Stating that it is because people dislike the game is petty and makes me wonder your motives. Especially considering the article "One Shot, One Kill, No Skill" which is clear on trying to figure WHY people hack.

#153 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -
#154 Posted by Green_Incarnate (1788 posts) -

Well, many people bought Arma II just to play DayZ. I guess they thought their product was comparable.

#155 Posted by T00L (10 posts) -

Alex Navarro -> Quick Look -> WarZ

#156 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -

The official forums for the game are just sad. It really is.

#157 Posted by Undeadpool (4920 posts) -
#158 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

@Undeadpool said:

@Video_Game_King said:

@Alex said:

Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing, otherwise known as the worst goddamn game ever made.

I think this is what you're referring to.

Trust me, he's not.

(Because I've posted that other Simpsons clip far too many times.)

#159 Posted by Karkarov (3056 posts) -

@Alex said:

For what it's worth, if The War Z does end up back on Steam, I'll definitely check it out and report back on just what the hell is going on with this thing.

And thus the old adage is proved, "There is no such thing as bad publicity." Now when the game relaunches a bevy of people will buy it who never would have otherwise just to see how bad it really is.

#160 Posted by Mumrik (1077 posts) -

@fargofallout said:

I'd like to point out that the video review of Big Rigs done by is still up at GameSpot - he seems incredibly thrilled to be playing it.

This is why I smiled when was an Alex newsstory, and not a Patrick one.

#161 Posted by Undeadpool (4920 posts) -

@Video_Game_King:

No you're not!

And It's only about 2-3 minutes.

#162 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

@Undeadpool said:

And It's only about 2-3 minutes.

The video, Big Rigs, or War Z?

#163 Posted by Viking_Funeral (1757 posts) -

@MikeGosot said:

Ouch. I thought they wouldn't do that because they would lose money. Also, a bunch of one-word comments? Seriously guys?

You're... not familiar with the quest system here?

#164 Posted by Undeadpool (4920 posts) -

@Video_Game_King: The video I linked to.

#165 Posted by Homelessbird (504 posts) -

@Buckaroosamurai said:

Hey ,

So far this is some of the better reporting I've seen on this incident. I have a feeling that WarZ woes is a two way street. There has been what appear to be a lot of dodgy dealings by this developer when it comes to saying whats in the game, however there has been a lot of slanderous outright lies spread about this game. Specifically an instance where a forum mod (who was eventually dismissed from that position) claimed to know the inner workings of what was going on, and how it was all a giant scam. It turned out he was a disgruntled mod who had no knowledge of anything other than what goes on in forums and actually playing the game and was essentially committing slander. He retracted all his statements as I am guessing he was facing legal action.

The reddit community at r/games however ate it up with almost no fact-checking or questioning, and those that did were in an extreme minority. Lots of vitriol even before the game was released to 'steam' that basically boiled down to people not liking the F2P model and complaining about stuff not being in the game when it was in beta. Also complaining about charging for a game in beta, which was funny considering there are tons of games doing this right now, Don't Starve for instance which is a great game but still being worked on. It also appears that a lot of DayZ fans have either been spreading outright lies or at least are the ones with the most vitriol about the game. I've seen legitimate commentors that get ranted on and slammed just because they don't see what all the fuss is about and actually enjoy the game. It really seems like a vocal minority/and some bad decisions by the developer are tainting this game more than anything else.

On a side note just because he made one of the worst games ever really says nothing about him as a developer. Look at Howard Scott Mcgrew who was one of the godfathers of gaming creating Yar's Revenge, he also created E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial probably and most famously the worst game ever made.

Would really like to see some real hard info on what is going on with this game. Would like to see someone with hopefully no knowledge of any of this stuff play the game and see if they like it. So far people's perception of the game seem so tainted by preconceived notions or biases that the game isn't really being evaluated fairly. Yeah those features weren't there, but how much does it matter, and it was dodgy to sell the game on those merits, but is the game fun with what it is or at least do people seem to be enjoying themselves.

Another example of bad behavior on the gamers end is that some of the people who do not like or really hate the game have decided to hack it and do their best to make other player's experiences bad. This is a bad sign on the developer side that their game is so easily hacked, but it is a stark example of the immaturity and pettiness of some gamers. If you don't like a game fine, if you feel like you got ripped off try and get a refund, but don't try and actively make other gamers experience miserable because you are. Oh wait I'm talking about the gaming community where griefing is a thing.

I think it's pretty far-fetched to assume that a large part of the response to War Z comes from either Day Z "fanboys," some forum post that was shared on /r/ gaming, or anything of that sort. The fact that they had a product description up that didn't represent the game at all is a much more likely culprit (and has been most of what I have seen being complained about). Occam's Razor, bro. And if people having unreasonable expectations because of that product description didn't like the game, well, you can hardly blame them - that's the fault of the misleading description, and therefore, the developers.

I'm all for a fair, evenhanded look at the game when it actually "comes out," whenever that may be. It might be good. But at the moment, literally all the evidence points to this developer being a shady gent who was attempting to sell a hack job through (what he thought was) clever promotion.

Your readiness to ignore the available evidence and to exchange it with suppositions about the motivations of those complaining makes me question your motives.

#166 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

@Undeadpool:

Well, I was already aware of Alex's review. I just posted my video because I've used another one far too many times.

#167 Posted by Undeadpool (4920 posts) -

@Video_Game_King: Haw! Fair dues, hence my initial reply, I love that episode.

#168 Posted by Edmundus (265 posts) -

@MjHealy said:

PUT BIG RIGS ON STEAM GREENLIGHT

#169 Posted by VibratingDonkey (873 posts) -

Bears mention that Hammerpoint is still selling the game on the official site. Not sure what's up with the deceit to honesty ratio there.

@TooWalrus said:

What is the name "The War Z" even supposed to mean, other than being shockingly close to "World War Z?" This game seems like it's in the same category as Transmorphers or Rock Revolution, and other shit products designed to confuse idiots and grandparents.

They do have some degree of proper justification for it since their previous game was called WarInc. The "The" is flummoxing though. I can only assume it's a superstretchy way of also creating a link to The Walking Dead. Or it's just Sergey Titov being derpy with his English as usual. He's winner.

#170 Posted by BestUsernameEver (4825 posts) -

@BisonHero said:

@BestUsernameEver

@PosableActionFigure said:

@Djnuttty said:

Crazy.

Cray Z

Cray cray

Z Z

Zay Zay

#171 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@VibratingDonkey said:

Bears mention that Hammerpoint is still selling the game on the official site. Not sure what's up with the deceit to honesty ratio there.

@TooWalrus said:

What is the name "The War Z" even supposed to mean, other than being shockingly close to "World War Z?" This game seems like it's in the same category as Transmorphers or Rock Revolution, and other shit products designed to confuse idiots and grandparents.

They do have some degree of proper justification for it since their previous game was called WarInc. The "The" is flummoxing though. I can only assume it's a superstretchy way of also creating a link to The Walking Dead. Or it's just Sergey Titov being derpy with his English as usual. He's winner.

Ya. They have just removed the ability to BUY the game on steam. You can still buy it. But from what I heard there are some lawsuits lined up for fraud for Hammerpoint 
#172 Posted by Neonie (438 posts) -

You could say this one was, DEAD on arrival.

#173 Edited by DeathTrap (244 posts) -

@Neonie said:

You could say this one was, DEAD on arrival.

...No. Just...no.

#174 Posted by DassoBrother (15 posts) -

Beyond the blatant lies listed on the Steam Store Page I don't think there was anything inherently wrong with the game. Not any worse than your typical monetized gameplay model similar to something implemented by Zynga. If you're drawing comparisons to Zynga though maybe something is terribly, terribly wrong.

I retract my previous statements.

#175 Posted by Crysack (301 posts) -

@Buckaroosamurai said:

Hey ,

So far this is some of the better reporting I've seen on this incident. I have a feeling that WarZ woes is a two way street. There has been what appear to be a lot of dodgy dealings by this developer when it comes to saying whats in the game, however there has been a lot of slanderous outright lies spread about this game. Specifically an instance where a forum mod (who was eventually dismissed from that position) claimed to know the inner workings of what was going on, and how it was all a giant scam. It turned out he was a disgruntled mod who had no knowledge of anything other than what goes on in forums and actually playing the game and was essentially committing slander. He retracted all his statements as I am guessing he was facing legal action.

The reddit community at r/games however ate it up with almost no fact-checking or questioning, and those that did were in an extreme minority. Lots of vitriol even before the game was released to 'steam' that basically boiled down to people not liking the F2P model and complaining about stuff not being in the game when it was in beta. Also complaining about charging for a game in beta, which was funny considering there are tons of games doing this right now, Don't Starve for instance which is a great game but still being worked on. It also appears that a lot of DayZ fans have either been spreading outright lies or at least are the ones with the most vitriol about the game. I've seen legitimate commentors that get ranted on and slammed just because they don't see what all the fuss is about and actually enjoy the game. It really seems like a vocal minority/and some bad decisions by the developer are tainting this game more than anything else.

On a side note just because he made one of the worst games ever really says nothing about him as a developer. Look at Howard Scott Mcgrew who was one of the godfathers of gaming creating Yar's Revenge, he also created E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial probably and most famously the worst game ever made.

Would really like to see some real hard info on what is going on with this game. Would like to see someone with hopefully no knowledge of any of this stuff play the game and see if they like it. So far people's perception of the game seem so tainted by preconceived notions or biases that the game isn't really being evaluated fairly. Yeah those features weren't there, but how much does it matter, and it was dodgy to sell the game on those merits, but is the game fun with what it is or at least do people seem to be enjoying themselves.

Another example of bad behavior on the gamers end is that some of the people who do not like or really hate the game have decided to hack it and do their best to make other player's experiences bad. This is a bad sign on the developer side that their game is so easily hacked, but it is a stark example of the immaturity and pettiness of some gamers. If you don't like a game fine, if you feel like you got ripped off try and get a refund, but don't try and actively make other gamers experience miserable because you are. Oh wait I'm talking about the gaming community where griefing is a thing.

The reality is that no one knows the truth about the 'disgruntled mod' situation so I'll leave it there. As for the game itself, having tried it out at a friend's place, I can tell you that it certainly smells like an enormous scam. Everything about the game is just lazy, from the God-awful textures, to the terrible animations to the fall damage incurred when walking down hills (you can quite literally kill yourself from walking down a shallow incline) to the fact that you can't even swim despite the existence of large bodies of water to the fact that, for whatever reason, new characters spawn on top of each other. Add on to this the cash shop where you can not only buy items that are lost upon death but you can also buy a respawn for your character so you don't have to wait 4 hours for your character to respawn - and believe me, you will die quickly, and generally not even to zombies, and the game and the dev team behind it seem pretty damn scummy. If you want a general indication of the cash-grab nature of the War Z and the amount of corner-cutting the devs have done when (let's be honest) they just added a bunch of zombie assets to WarInc, just have a look at this picture - notice anything strange? (apologies if someone has already posted this)

I also think this is pretty funny:

#176 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@Crysack said:

@Buckaroosamurai said:

Hey @Alex ,

So far this is some of the better reporting I've seen on this incident. I have a feeling that WarZ woes is a two way street. There has been what appear to be a lot of dodgy dealings by this developer when it comes to saying whats in the game, however there has been a lot of slanderous outright lies spread about this game. Specifically an instance where a forum mod (who was eventually dismissed from that position) claimed to know the inner workings of what was going on, and how it was all a giant scam. It turned out he was a disgruntled mod who had no knowledge of anything other than what goes on in forums and actually playing the game and was essentially committing slander. He retracted all his statements as I am guessing he was facing legal action.

The reddit community at r/games however ate it up with almost no fact-checking or questioning, and those that did were in an extreme minority. Lots of vitriol even before the game was released to 'steam' that basically boiled down to people not liking the F2P model and complaining about stuff not being in the game when it was in beta. Also complaining about charging for a game in beta, which was funny considering there are tons of games doing this right now, Don't Starve for instance which is a great game but still being worked on. It also appears that a lot of DayZ fans have either been spreading outright lies or at least are the ones with the most vitriol about the game. I've seen legitimate commentors that get ranted on and slammed just because they don't see what all the fuss is about and actually enjoy the game. It really seems like a vocal minority/and some bad decisions by the developer are tainting this game more than anything else.

On a side note just because he made one of the worst games ever really says nothing about him as a developer. Look at Howard Scott Mcgrew who was one of the godfathers of gaming creating Yar's Revenge, he also created E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial probably and most famously the worst game ever made.

Would really like to see some real hard info on what is going on with this game. Would like to see someone with hopefully no knowledge of any of this stuff play the game and see if they like it. So far people's perception of the game seem so tainted by preconceived notions or biases that the game isn't really being evaluated fairly. Yeah those features weren't there, but how much does it matter, and it was dodgy to sell the game on those merits, but is the game fun with what it is or at least do people seem to be enjoying themselves.

Another example of bad behavior on the gamers end is that some of the people who do not like or really hate the game have decided to hack it and do their best to make other player's experiences bad. This is a bad sign on the developer side that their game is so easily hacked, but it is a stark example of the immaturity and pettiness of some gamers. If you don't like a game fine, if you feel like you got ripped off try and get a refund, but don't try and actively make other gamers experience miserable because you are. Oh wait I'm talking about the gaming community where griefing is a thing.

The reality is that no one knows the truth about the 'disgruntled mod' situation so I'll leave it there. As for the game itself, having tried it out at a friend's place, I can tell you that it certainly smells like an enormous scam. Everything about the game is just lazy, from the God-awful textures, to the terrible animations to the fall damage incurred when walking down hills (you can quite literally kill yourself from walking down a shallow incline) to the fact that you can't even swim despite the existence of large bodies of water to the fact that, for whatever reason, new characters spawn on top of each other. Add on to this the cash shop where you can not only buy items that are lost upon death but you can also buy a respawn for your character so you don't have to wait 4 hours for your character to respawn - and believe me, you will die quickly, and generally not even to zombies, and the game and the dev team behind it seem pretty damn scummy. If you want a general indication of the cash-grab nature of the War Z and the amount of corner-cutting the devs have done when (let's be honest) they just added a bunch of zombie assets to WarInc, just have a look at this picture - notice anything strange? (apologies if someone has already posted this)

I also think this is pretty funny:

My brain wont process that first image...it...just wont. 
#177 Posted by Crysack (301 posts) -

@The_Laughing_Man said:

My brain wont process that first image...it...just wont.

Hahaha, that was my reaction too. It looks like they just haven't bothered to mirror the world and have instead just flipped the FoV. Corner-cutting at its finest.

#178 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -

@ Buckaroosamurai 
 
 
Just sent me a PM about the art copying. He for some reason does not udnerstand that taking images that are not yours and using them for your benefit is illegal. Can someone explain to him please. 

#179 Posted by Reasonableman (14 posts) -

I am completely tired of hearing about this already. The game isn't great, but it isn't outright terrible either. It's a pretty shameless ripoff of Day Z, but that's not inherently evil. Just kinda scummy, like most of the game's practices. Not worth making such a huge stink over. Perhaps I'd feel differently if I had spent any money on it.

#180 Posted by MikeGosot (3227 posts) -
@Viking_Funeral said:

@MikeGosot said:

Ouch. I thought they wouldn't do that because they would lose money. Also, a bunch of one-word comments? Seriously guys?

You're... not familiar with the quest system here?

I am, that's why i asked "Seriously?". It's the short version of "I can't believe there are people who still care for that quest, i mean, holy shit."
#181 Posted by Hailinel (24272 posts) -

@MikeGosot said:

@Viking_Funeral said:

@MikeGosot said:

Ouch. I thought they wouldn't do that because they would lose money. Also, a bunch of one-word comments? Seriously guys?

You're... not familiar with the quest system here?

I am, that's why i asked "Seriously?". It's the short version of "I can't believe there are people who still care for that quest, i mean, holy shit."

Not to mention that the quest system will be deactivated in the site redesign. There's no point.

#182 Posted by MikeGosot (3227 posts) -
@Hailinel said:

@MikeGosot said:

@Viking_Funeral said:

@MikeGosot said:

Ouch. I thought they wouldn't do that because they would lose money. Also, a bunch of one-word comments? Seriously guys?

You're... not familiar with the quest system here?

I am, that's why i asked "Seriously?". It's the short version of "I can't believe there are people who still care for that quest, i mean, holy shit."

Not to mention that the quest system will be deactivated in the site redesign. There's no point.

I wonder if this means more people will say "First!"
#183 Posted by ShiftyMagician (2129 posts) -

@Hailinel said:

@MikeGosot said:

@Viking_Funeral said:

@MikeGosot said:

Ouch. I thought they wouldn't do that because they would lose money. Also, a bunch of one-word comments? Seriously guys?

You're... not familiar with the quest system here?

I am, that's why i asked "Seriously?". It's the short version of "I can't believe there are people who still care for that quest, i mean, holy shit."

Not to mention that the quest system will be deactivated in the site redesign. There's no point.

Serious? Thank god then. You bear me great news this day friend!

#184 Posted by CaptRocketblaze (173 posts) -

Change it to "Ghost Rigs" & it's accurate.

#185 Posted by wubwoo (1 posts) -

Giant scam

#186 Posted by Kazona (3063 posts) -

There is no way anyone can make me believe that they were unaware that the description of their game did not match the actual product.

#187 Posted by Cyrix (7 posts) -

i find this whole situation kinda funny, i mean i feel bad for anyone that got screwed on this game but man the fallout has been entertaining.

#188 Posted by AndrewB (7567 posts) -

@Cyrix said:

i find this whole situation kinda funny, i mean i feel bad for anyone that got screwed on this game but man the fallout has been entertaining.

Also, I kind of want the game now. I know... that would make me a part of the problem.

#189 Posted by fisk0 (3983 posts) -

@Reasonableman said:

I am completely tired of hearing about this already. The game isn't great, but it isn't outright terrible either. It's a pretty shameless ripoff of Day Z, but that's not inherently evil. Just kinda scummy, like most of the game's practices. Not worth making such a huge stink over. Perhaps I'd feel differently if I had spent any money on it.

The quality of the game isn't the issue, it's the false advertising. Claiming the game supports "up to 100 players per server", when the actual limit is 50, claiming there are several areas, all between 100 and 400 square kilometers in size, when there is in actuality only one area, which is at most 70 square kilometers (one site calculated it was only about 20-30 square kilometers of that which was actually accessible to the player). Claiming there is not and never will be any hidden charges, and then add microtransactions in a launch day patch. The game could very well be great when taken for what it is (what I've seen of it looked like it wasn't. Not terrible, but at best pretty mediocre), but it most certainly does not have the features they advertised on the Steam store page, and in most countries that is very much illegal. Can't say if it is in the US or Ukraine (where it was developed), but it is in the EU, where it was available for sale.

#190 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -

Game spy did a review. Half a star and one of the pros is that there is a refund option.

#191 Posted by indieslaw (339 posts) -

A friend bought this game and it came with additional keys, so I grabbed one. I played it, withholding judgment because I figured it was just an early/alpha release, in the vein of Minecraft. But since there's no such thing as a beta (according to the Gamespy IM interview), I guess I can judge this as a fully complete initial product. And as such, here's a review:

*

One star. Don't buy this game. It looks, feels, and plays like an alpha release. No benefit of the doubt should be given in anticipation of future content.

#192 Posted by IcyEyes (215 posts) -

@Doctorchimp:

People should always be careful, but if you bought this based completely on the false information in it's page description then I think you have a right to be enraged (at Valve). A scam is a scam no matter the price. It also has micro transactions by the way.

The Bore Z

#193 Posted by Maurdakar (74 posts) -

Meh it's just okay, when compared to DayZ.

Why wasn't everyone up in arms about DayZ reusing ARMA assets or being complete ass.

#194 Posted by DougQuaid (1274 posts) -

@The_Laughing_Man said:

Game spy did a review. Half a star and one of the pros is that there is a refund option.

Seems pretty spot on.

@Maurdakar said:

Meh it's just okay, when compared to DayZ.

Why wasn't everyone up in arms about DayZ reusing ARMA assets or being complete ass.

Currently, Day Z is just a free mod for ARMA2.

#195 Posted by m2cks (579 posts) -

@CaptRocketblaze said:

Change it to "Ghost Rigs" & it's accurate.

If there was a mod that changed the zombies into killer trucks and popped up the YOU'RE WINNER screen when you died, then (and only then) would I consider buying it.

#196 Posted by anonymus (1 posts) -

Yeah and Obama gonna give me free phone.

#197 Posted by CaptRocketblaze (173 posts) -

@m2cks: What if they went the extra step by misspelling it as "YOUR WINNER" & gave you a bloody filter over the screen, which was only supposed to display when you lost? That's the kind of game you make you sucker your friends into buying just to make fun of it.

#198 Posted by Oginam (447 posts) -

@ShiftyMagician said:

@Hailinel said:

@MikeGosot said:

@Viking_Funeral said:

@MikeGosot said:

Ouch. I thought they wouldn't do that because they would lose money. Also, a bunch of one-word comments? Seriously guys?

You're... not familiar with the quest system here?

I am, that's why i asked "Seriously?". It's the short version of "I can't believe there are people who still care for that quest, i mean, holy shit."

Not to mention that the quest system will be deactivated in the site redesign. There's no point.

Serious? Thank god then. You bear me great news this day friend!

It'll still happen though, except there will be literally no point.

Should lock people out from commenting on an article for 5 minutes after its posted just to fuck with people...I mean, make sure they read the article...

#199 Posted by Maurdakar (74 posts) -

@DougQuaid: Free? Ya sure...

But no one gives 2 shits about ARMA.

How many people actually owned ARMA2 and then got into DayZ compared to how many people purchased ARMA2:CO JUST to play DayZ?

ARMA2 isn't sitting in a top sellers list on STEAM because people find it entertaining, it's because they want to play the delicious excellence that is DayZ. I don't buy the idea that it's a free mod, when you have to pay for the base game, and that goes doubly in this case since no one cares for the base game and are all picking it up to play DayZ. Hopefully DayZ will increase peoples notice of ARMA as a franchise. Isn't the standalone DayZ gonna cost $$$ as well?

WarZ is buggy and glitchy but while playing it I was comparing it to DayZ, which is also buggy and glitchy and re-uses many assets from the base game.

People acknowledging it with this hate? The game just isn't worth it. A passing glance and to be forgotten is what this C+ game amounts too.

#200 Edited by Sunjammer (910 posts) -

There is no defending a broken and incomplete game with microtransactions this aggressive. If it was properly F2P, perhaps, but the initial cost plus the absolutely ludicrous game economy all but ensures this game will be thrown to the wolves. It simply has no reason to survive.

I reckon anyone who thought The War Z wasn't a cash in on Day Z, or think TWZ measures up in any way to the buggy mad thing that is Day Z, are out of their little minds. Is Day Z broken? Yes. But it's still a generous, intense, vivid game that all but embodies emergent gameplay, while TWZ is simply the opposite of those things.

4 hour respawns or you pay. Fuck you, developer. Fuuuck you.

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