European 'Trench' Trademark Owner Responds to Trenched Name Change

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#51 Posted by chilibean_3 (1635 posts) -

European 'Trench' Trademark Owner Unhappy He Didn't Get "Pizzaid"

#52 Posted by DanielJW (4915 posts) -

Board games are stupid! Who gives a fuck about them! Video games are for refined, artistic souls like myself! No childish board game should stand in the way of the release of art!

#53 Posted by Rocospi (262 posts) -

"We had no intention in creating any delay to this game, especially since I personally would like to try the game out too," 
Bullshit. Have fun with your dumbass board game, and good luck when the internet trolls the shit out of your product if it even releases.

#54 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19331 posts) -
@AuthenticM said:

turneched

Indeed.
#55 Posted by PJ (1144 posts) -

Well this wont be a problem when the sequal comes out. Drenched.

#56 Posted by GaspoweR (2961 posts) -

DRENCHED

#57 Posted by White_Silhouette (472 posts) -

Trenched is coming out in Europe! This is awesome for those who haven't had a chance to play it.

#58 Posted by onan (1285 posts) -

I'm still surprised anyone is able to hold a trademark for a word synonymous with WWI. Do they own rights to WWI as well?

By this logic, Activision should sue everyone because they made and trademarked a game called "Gun", and 90% of games released today have guns in them that are referred to as "guns".

#59 Posted by knightlyknave (118 posts) -

Am I the only one who's dying to play the board game now?

#60 Posted by 234r2we232 (3181 posts) -
@Rocospi said:
"We had no intention in creating any delay to this game, especially since I personally would like to try the game out too," Bullshit. Have fun with your dumbass board game, and good luck when the internet trolls the shit out of your product if it even releases.
Giant Bomb community, ladies and gents :/
#61 Posted by probablytuna (3627 posts) -

@edgefusion said:

"Turneched" Throw this article on the ever growing mountain of articles by Patrick Klepek that haven't been proof-read properly.

I'm starting to believe that Patrick is trolling us, or that's how he likes to leave his mark so we know exactly who wrote the article.

#62 Posted by YukoAsho (2033 posts) -

While he had every right to bring up his trademark, Microsoft did exactly the right thing.  This was clearly a move for a payoff on the Trenched name, probably to help with his own endeavors, and his video game was only announced to establish the potential for consumer confusion should Trenched actually come out under that name.  MS denied the troll his publicity, dodged a legal hurdle and ensured the safe passage of the game into European territories by changing the name.  It's sad that the game won't have the same name globally, but that's trademark law.

#63 Posted by benu302000 (213 posts) -

"We had no intention of creating a delay"... We simply wanted loads of money.

Fuck Rui Alípio Monteiro. Fuck him to hell.

#64 Posted by Aas (603 posts) -

Eh, I live in Norway and I have been able to purchase Trenched for weeks...

#65 Posted by Brendan (7780 posts) -

@whatisdelicious said:

Oh lord. I'm just going to avoid the comments on this one. I don't feel like reading another 150 comments on why Double Fine is our new lord and savior and Trenched is so awesome and HOW DARE this guy who legally owned the trademark for the name over a year before Trenched even existed try to stop Trenched from being released in Europe? Because that's totally his fault, and not Microsoft and Double Fine's fault for picking a super generic name without taking 5 minutes to do their jobs and check to see if it was taken first. YEAH. FUCK THAT PORTUGESE GUY. VIDEO GAMES. TIM SCHAFER. WOO.

You gotta know by now that internet people become so biased towards sides that they have an emotional attachment to that they stop thinking rationally and just throw vitriol at others.

#66 Posted by sthusby (382 posts) -

Well, I'm Norway, which is part of Europe. And I have Trenched on my 360. What's up with that?

#67 Posted by RedRocketWestie (381 posts) -

I really don't think anyone has enough information to take anyone's side on this. What we see can be explained by a misunderstanding (between a language barrier and a cautious corporation, it's conceivable), or careful maneuvering by the "little guy" trying to get paid off by the big corporation, then salvaging the bad PR with a cooked-up story later. Since the big corporation won't weigh in (and really shouldn't from their perspective), all we have is speculation.

I'll say it again: All we have is speculation. No matter how sensible that speculation seems, no matter how likely it is that you're right, you probably shouldn't be investing the emotional energy in it to get so upset about something that is, ostensibly, resolved.

#68 Posted by Cincaid (2956 posts) -

@sthusby said:

Well, I'm Norway, which is part of Europe. And I have Trenched on my 360. What's up with that?

Norway is not a part of EU.

#69 Posted by Deusoma (3006 posts) -
@Rocospi said:
"We had no intention in creating any delay to this game, especially since I personally would like to try the game out too," Bullshit. Have fun with your dumbass board game, and good luck when the internet trolls the shit out of your product if it even releases.
Do you need a hug, friend Roco? It'll make you feel better. :)
#70 Posted by eulogize_my_baked_goods (137 posts) -

@Aishan said:

After-all: My Toy is More Important Than Your Toy.

This.

#71 Posted by wickedsc3 (1046 posts) -

@whatisdelicious said:

Oh lord. I'm just going to avoid the comments on this one. I don't feel like reading another 150 comments on why Double Fine is our new lord and savior and Trenched is so awesome and HOW DARE this guy who legally owned the trademark for the name over a year before Trenched even existed try to stop Trenched from being released in Europe? Because that's totally his fault, and not Microsoft and Double Fine's fault for picking a super generic name without taking 5 minutes to do their jobs and check to see if it was taken first. YEAH. FUCK THAT PORTUGESE GUY. VIDEO GAMES. TIM SCHAFER. WOO.

You didn't avoid commenting very well. You really should have though.

On topic, I wonder why he did not disclose what the terms were that would have made this process so easy. Sounds like he just wanted to make him self look good so it does not hurt his game. I'm sure if it was a reasonable offer Microsoft would have easily got the deal done as soon as possible.

#72 Posted by McGhee (6094 posts) -

@jozzy said:

"We are really [saddened by] Microsoft's lack of direct communication," he said over email. "Had there been an open line of communication, the delay would have been solved in no time and all player would have been able to enjoy both games earlier."

He should have at least mentioned in this quote what kind of agreement they could have reached so easily and quickly. Sum of cash, promise to publish or advertise their Trenched game, ...?

This is exactly what I thought. It sounds like he was whining, "Oh why didn't Microsoft offer to pay us a bunch of money to use the name?"

#73 Posted by RobertOrri (1121 posts) -

@sthusby said:

Well, I'm Norway, which is part of Europe. And I have Trenched on my 360. What's up with that?

You are Norway? Wow. Pleased to meet you!

#74 Posted by Brackynews (4065 posts) -

I was hoping for "Riot Act".

#75 Posted by artgarcrunkle (970 posts) -
@akiz_jack: Looking like a hack is a cool way to troll people.
#76 Posted by SgtGrumbles (1024 posts) -

I'm a big fan of Trenched and somebody who doesn't irrationally hate Portuguese men I've not met so I'm glad this is coming to an end.

Everyone saying 'fuck this guy' should probably take a little step back and think about how ridiculous they're being.

#77 Posted by shenstra (163 posts) -

@YukoAsho said:

While he had every right to bring up his trademark, Microsoft did exactly the right thing. This was clearly a move for a payoff on the Trenched name, probably to help with his own endeavors, and his video game was only announced to establish the potential for consumer confusion should Trenched actually come out under that name. MS denied the troll his publicity, dodged a legal hurdle and ensured the safe passage of the game into European territories by changing the name. It's sad that the game won't have the same name globally, but that's trademark law.

All this if fine and well if he actually is a trademark-troll. The thing is, he doesn't appear to be one. He's had this trademark for some time and has clearly been developing a product to go with it for even longer. Long before anyone outside of developers and publishers new about Trenched. In fact, he filed his claim before Double Fine's Amnesia Fortnight which resulted in the concept for Trenched.

Another thing to keep in mind: once you own a trademark, you have to protect it. If this guy hadn't protected his trademark on "Trench" and variations (which, granted, is a broad trademark to award; but that's an entirely different problem) , he would've lost his trademark. That usually doesn't happen, unless another company uses the mark and gains notoriety that the owner must have been aware of. Clearly this guy was aware of Trenched and realized that it would be, or rather that it already was, more notorious than his little game-to-be. Had he not taken legal action, which was provoked by Microsoft not doing its research, he could have lost his trademark.

Why didn't he just give up on the trademark and come up with a new name? Well, because he picked this name, took the trouble to apply for a trademark, was granted the trademark, paid for the trademark and owns the trademark. You wouldn't expect me to give my car to Carlos Slim if he couldn't find his own. Why should this guy just give up his trademark when Microsoft decides it wants to release a game which violates said trademark?

Perhaps Microsoft would've had to part with a tiny bit of money in an agreement. Entirely reasonable, if you're going to let someone violate a trademark you own. Or perhaps they would've only had to add a subtitle, or a pre-title of some sort. Or maybe all they'd have to do is ask. It would be mighty nice of this Portuguese guy to let someone violate his trademark without compensation, but it's not quite the same as giving up your trademark. Microsoft could've published under the name Trenched, without paying him anything, but with his permission, which would've left him with a strong trademark claim against all future challengers.

#78 Posted by Skooky (475 posts) -

How dare this company in Portugese delay the release of Turneched.

#79 Posted by SeriouslyNow (8534 posts) -

@whatisdelicious said:

YEAH. FUCK THAT PORTUGESE GUY. VIDEO GAMES. TIM SCHAFER. WOO.

What fucking annoys me is that most the pipsqueak children with such opinions don't even really know who Tim Schafer is beyond a few smaller Double Fine games and possibly that Jack Black vehicle. Tim Schafer wouldn't support this kind of corporate silent war malarkey (or least he supposedly wouldn't) and I'm really disappointed that he hasn't said a thing about it.

#80 Posted by Kujel (25 posts) -
@SeriouslyNow: You're right Tim probably wouldn't support such a corporate  war but I still say fuck this Portuguese guy, board games suck shit and always have.
#81 Posted by AlexW00d (6240 posts) -

@Kujel said:

@SeriouslyNow: You're right Tim probably wouldn't support such a corporate war but I still say fuck this Portuguese guy, board games suck shit and always have.

I wish for a community free of people like this.

#82 Posted by Mars_Cleric (1593 posts) -

@shenstra: well said

#83 Posted by shinluis (428 posts) -
@benu302000 said:

"We had no intention of creating a delay"... We simply wanted loads of money.

Fuck Rui Alípio Monteiro. Fuck him to hell.

This.
#84 Posted by DeadMonkeys (825 posts) -

"BAWW I DIDN'T GET MY TRUCKLOADS OF MONEY. WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU MICROSOFT?"

#85 Posted by Beforet (2920 posts) -

I'm glad that the internet is full of people who are so willing to do God's work by defending the multibillion dollar corporations like Microsoft who are only trying to disregard the rights of those smaller than themselves. God bless, God bless all of you!

#86 Posted by kobudo (3 posts) -

We're all crazy? It is clear that the responsibility is Microsoft ! It remains absurdly quiet , without regard to Europe and we are protecting it ? Microsoft has no respect for the work of others or by their European customers ! It is cowardly because it allows Mr. Monteiro to be crucified !
#87 Posted by Wuddel (2092 posts) -

@MrKlorox said:

And of course the internet is full of bitter, biased people, so his comments are falling on (mostly) blind eyes.

QFT.

Also I probably would play a turn based WWI themed board game...

#88 Posted by buft (3316 posts) -

I'm going to buy his board game, unrelated to thid though. have you seen the trailer? it has ze multiplayer

#89 Posted by Nomin (973 posts) -

Has anyone tried this board game, is it actually fun? 
As for the name change, I half expected 'Hats and Salutes Forever' or something like that. 

#90 Posted by defraction (1 posts) -

  @shenstra: Stop making sense, please. 

 
Also, last time I checked, Microsoft has a Portuguese division, so the language barrier can't be used as an excuse (I'm not referring to shenstra, but someone else who used that argument). And I'm really glad they do, because everyone knows that Portuguese people can't speak proper English even if they really try. God knows I've tried :( We also HATE corporations.
 
But it's great to finally have a release date for the game. Looks pretty good.
#91 Posted by echelon11 (49 posts) -

"We had no intention in creating any delay to this game, especially since I personally would like to try the game out too,"

No, your intention wasn't to delay the game, it was to get a huge payday from an out of court settlement. I'm glad that Microsoft didn't back down, but then I'm not one of those that were subject to the delay.

#92 Posted by xaveri (154 posts) -

Runadrake and Moringer can suck donkey balls. Go Iron Brigade, go go go! [ salute ]

#93 Edited by Lotus (205 posts) -

¡Caralho! dude, i don't get what all the fuss is about, the guy owns the trademark "Trench" and the double fine game is name Trenched right... so, i don't know anything about this lawyer shit, i'm majoring in mathematics but, what gives here?

#94 Posted by SeriouslyNow (8534 posts) -

@Kujel said:

@SeriouslyNow: You're right Tim probably wouldn't support such a corporate war but I still say fuck this Portuguese guy, board games suck shit and always have.

Of course you can. You're a nobody. What you say only affects you.

#95 Posted by SeriouslyNow (8534 posts) -

@AlexW00d said:

@Kujel said:

@SeriouslyNow: You're right Tim probably wouldn't support such a corporate war but I still say fuck this Portuguese guy, board games suck shit and always have.

I wish for a community free of people like this.

Hagrid.

#96 Posted by Dark_Lord_Spam (3255 posts) -

Eurodouches strike again.

#97 Posted by gosukiller (2324 posts) -

Regardless of werther Mr.  Moringer is speaking the truth, it seems a lot of people just don't read the article and go all like "yeah fuck this guy im with doublefine BOOHAA!".  
 
You guys need to take in mind that neither MS nor Double Fine has said anything on this issue, while the other side HAS offered an explanation that seems quite fair. I wouldn't be suprised if it's INDEED a bitch to talk to Microsoft directly in a legal issue, even if you want to 'help' them out.

#98 Posted by CraigAA1028 (546 posts) -

Yay they used one of my images. I'm so honored

#99 Posted by Driadon (2997 posts) -

Ah the internet, where everyone is opinionated about everything, including copyright laws they know nothing about. It's funny too, you can really recognize which users are more likely to give off that level of arrogance versus the ones that actually use their noggin.

#100 Posted by perilator666 (443 posts) -

Iron Brigade is a pretty good name.

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