Man I don't think I've ever been more excited and disappointed by a game than Killzone 3. While playing the beta I was having a lot of fun with the game. Everyone was running around shooting each other, trying out different classes and guns and it was a fun chaotic mess. Now that the game's release has been in full swing for a couple of weeks I find every Warzone match is ruined by camping invisible Marksman with Assault Rifles. Due to the Medic's revive and cool down sucking and the Engineer having such crappy guns and weak turrets, Warzone is filled with Marksmen and Infiltrators. My whole problem with the game is the awesome tactical squad based play that Killzone 2 had are completely missing here. No spawning on squad leader anymore, no separate squad based systems (Alpha, Bravo, etc) from KZ2 and the game is reduced to lone wolf camping. Compared to a tactical team based shooter like Battlefield Bad Company 2, I'm not having any fun playing this online. It constantly leaves me filled with rage and frustrated about it's potential that was squandered to cater to the Call of Duty audience. I'm hoping that upcoming patches will fix the gameplay and push it more towards team based play like it's supposed to be, but I'm not holding my breath.

A patch later this week is changing the cooldown on the medic tool from 25 seconds to 10 seconds. I'd say the game is more tactical than KZ2 because in KZ2 there would be 4 spawn grenades thrown down in a 15 meter radius and everyone would just throw a grenade and then die from someone else's grenade and they'd repeat. At least now map control is implemented with capturable spawns.

While there are some things that I preferred from Killzone 2 multiplayer, K3 is not even close to online multiplayer at it's worst. It's actually pretty good.

SOCOM 4 you're so close. Take me back to a time when ppl knew how to work as a team.

" While there are some things that I preferred from Killzone 2 multiplayer, K3 is not even close to online multiplayer at it's worst. It's actually pretty good. "

I am a huge fan of how Killzone 2 did things for multiplayer, it was fresh and innovative. I feel Killzone 3 is a great game and is still a blast to play online but is missing a lot of features the game should have had in the first place.
 
But I still think Killzone 3 is now where near close to multiplayer at it's worst.

I've been playing a medic since day one (and in beta) I've only run into a horrible match one time. It had a variety of factors, camping marksman cloaked, idiot over headset and unbalanced teams. Once I found out where the marksman camped I lobbed a grenade up there and took him out. I muted the idiot over headset. The team imbalance persisted but was adjusted on the next map. KZ3 is very good multiplayer.

i wish it had the classes unlocked by level progression instead of having all classes by  level one.

" While there are some things that I preferred from Killzone 2 multiplayer, K3 is not even close to online multiplayer at it's worst. It's actually pretty good. "

I find I'm always frustrated by the lack of Medics doing revives when I'm not playing one, and frustrated by the rampant X button mashing to respawn when I am playing one. Either side of the coin, I'm getting pissed off when I play. I think the reason I hate it so much is because it's not as team work oriented as I was expecting, far too many people worrying about their K/D and not working together going after objectives. It's good if you like lone wolf CoD style gameplay, it's bad if you were expecting it to be team based and innovative. I'm sure clan matches would be much better and more team focused, I haven't tried any of those yet. I'm just speaking about my experiences playing Warzone and Guerrilla Warfare in public matches. I do know the Killzone boards are flooded with complaints and frustration over the game, much of the same as I've been experiencing. Those that loved Killzone 2 for the vast majority view Killzone 3 as a step backward, as do I.

I too enjoy the upgrade system, new controls, graphics, and single player campaign.

" I too enjoy the upgrade system, new controls, graphics, and single player campaign. "

" i wish it had the classes unlocked by level progression instead of having all classes by  level one. "

" SOCOM 4 you're so close. Take me back to a time when ppl knew how to work as a team. "

That's a hell of an idea lead_farmer. Playing with people that actually work as a team would increase my enjoyment of the game a ton.

" SOCOM 4 you're so close. Take me back to a time when ppl knew how to work as a team. "

There two things that kinda bother me
 
Marksman is the all around deadly class 
Range they got the sniper rifle, machine pistol, and cloak suit is great  and For medium range they got the assault rifle and scrambler which negates tactician ability while engineer get nothing but repair and place turret that i swear are out to get me -_-

Killzone 3's MP is basically a worse version of Killzone 2 but with better controls. 
 
It's not bad, just not as good.  I've actually went back and bought Killzone 2 just to play it again because I feel like I'm playing an inferior version of it with Killzone 3.  
 
The main detraction is the maps.  I just simply don't like them.  There is only 1 i like and a couple okay ones;  Bilgarsk Boulevard and a little bit of Pyrrhus Crater and Frozen Dam.   I played the Jetpack map a couple times and thought it was terrible.  You touched on the classes...I dislike some of the changes made.  I agree the sniper class shouldn't have a machine gun; dunno why they do.  I end up doing 2 primary weapon perk and holding a sniper rifle and a machine gun.   
 
And then I just nitpick other things like I thought KZ2 has some nice visual effects here and there that seem to be gone...for comparison sake, tho, this isn't major you can look at the default rifle.  In Killzone 2 the sights had a nice reflective effect going on that is almost completely gone in KZ3.  And I'm all for color but it almost bothers me in KZ3; I liked KZ2's darkness on everything....KZ3 feels like a completely different world.
 
SP side of things the I can't compare because I haven't beaten KZ3 but that may say something in itself....I beat KZ2 within the week it came out and haven't felt compelled to do so with KZ3.  KZ3, for me, is the perfect example of 1 step forward; 2 steps back.  Fix the controls majority of people complained about and then change a lot of good things about the game.

" That's a hell of an idea lead_farmer. Playing with people that actually work as a team would increase my enjoyment of the game a ton. "

Yeah, come play with us:) We played yesterday and lost to an Italians clan obsessed with sentry bots and rocket launchers;p

I have to say that most of the times I play, there tend to be a group of people playing it as it`s supposed to be played, and I stick to them. Covering and reviving. I play only as a medic and couldn’t care less about K/D ratio. I absolutely hate games like COD and play this solely because of the team aspect. Probably half of my death`s is related to exposing myself to revive. Can`t wait for the revival distance to be increased.

All I know is that half the games I play are complete clusterfucks.

you've obviously never played the online in GTA4

" That's a hell of an idea lead_farmer. Playing with people that actually work as a team would increase my enjoyment of the game a ton. "

I have to call bullshit on this one.  Killzone 3 has some problems, but there is almost always a nice diversity of classes in Warzone.  It's a very rare occasion when I can't find a usable ammo crate and I find myself getting revived often enough (sometimes by myself) for my tastes.  There are too many marksman, but that can be said of any game with a sniper class.

I would say that KZ3 is a much better game than its predecessor.

killzone 3 is the most fun i've had with multiplayer on PS3.  second is uncharted 2, mostly because of the co-op horde mode stuff. 
my only beef with it is it's not QUITE as customizable as it should be (like you cant do all kinds of specific stuff with the way the matches go, like the sequence in warzone) 
 
and i kinda wish the engie and marksman should swap their middle class guns, like the marksman gets the SMG, and the engie gets the assault rifle.

The only thing I've been unhappy with so far are Infiltrators on Frozen Dam. 

People tend to work together more in operations, unfortunately there are only 3 fucking scenarios in that gametype. I like that one the most. I don't agree about with KZ 3 being called the worst but I do agree about the rampant camping by bitch ass marksman. Also grenade spamming is still a problem.

" @SocialistNinja said:

" i wish it had the classes unlocked by level progression instead of having all classes by  level one. "

Really? I thought that was the worst part of KZ2. I played it quite a bit and never got to see 3 classes. "

ive had fun with the engineering class.  in my experience ive had more people using the Helghan smg which pissed the shit out of me cause they were using it so effectively

" SOCOM 4 you're so close. Take me back to a time when ppl knew how to work as a team. "

" A patch later this week is changing the cooldown on the medic tool from 25 seconds to 10 seconds. I'd say the game is more tactical than KZ2 because in KZ2 there would be 4 spawn grenades thrown down in a 15 meter radius and everyone would just throw a grenade and then die from someone else's grenade and they'd repeat. At least now map control is implemented with capturable spawns. "

" @X19 said:

" SOCOM 4 you're so close. Take me back to a time when ppl knew how to work as a team. "

cannot wait dude.  "

The classes aren't balanced properly. Think of what Team Fortress 2 did to constrain class behaviour. That's what Killzone 3 is missing.

" @TwoOneFive said:

" @X19 said:

" SOCOM 4 you're so close. Take me back to a time when ppl knew how to work as a team. "

cannot wait dude.  "

Be prepared to be disappointed........ "

" I've ordered Killzone 2 again ;p.  Gonna head back to that game cuz I can't get into Killzone 3's MP.  I think I actually prefer some of the abilities they removed/changed.  Remember one class had a sprint ability; that helped greatly when doing search and retrieve."

Snipers ruin games, and life in general. 
 
I'm a Sniper racist, killing should be up close and personal.  
 
SWORDS.

While I'm glad they got rid of the spot and mark ability on snipers which REALLY promoted camping, giving them an assault rifle is just BS and having that scramble ability which basically says "I'm nearby, be on your guard" is useless. Some maps like Snowdrift, Boulevard and the jetpack map flat out suck, Crater is decent, Graveyard's cool but they pick horrible maps for KZ3. 
 
I mean, mechs AND missile launchers on Salumun? This game reminds me of Battlefield: it's doable solo but it's also more frustrating while I'm sure it's a blast in a team because holy shit, randoms suck in this game

" SOCOM 4 you're so close. Take me back to a time when ppl knew how to work as a team. "

 Killzone 3: Online Multiplayer at its Worst 
 
You're welcome.

" @handlas said:

" I've ordered Killzone 2 again ;p.  Gonna head back to that game cuz I can't get into Killzone 3's MP.  I think I actually prefer some of the abilities they removed/changed.  Remember one class had a sprint ability; that helped greatly when doing search and retrieve."

They didn't remove the sprint ability, it's one of the Saboteurs secondary abilities. "

" While I'm glad they got rid of the spot and mark ability on snipers which REALLY promoted camping, giving them an assault rifle is just BS and having that scramble ability which basically says "I'm nearby, be on your guard" is useless. Some maps like Snowdrift, Boulevard and the jetpack map flat out suck, Crater is decent, Graveyard's cool but they pick horrible maps for KZ3.  I mean, mechs AND missile launchers on Salumun? This game reminds me of Battlefield: it's doable solo but it's also more frustrating while I'm sure it's a blast in a team because holy shit, randoms suck in this game "

" @TwoOneFive said:

" @X19 said:

" SOCOM 4 you're so close. Take me back to a time when ppl knew how to work as a team. "

cannot wait dude.  "

Be prepared to be disappointed........ "

" i wish it had the classes unlocked by level progression instead of having all classes by  level one. "

I just got Killzone 2 in the mail...wooo! lol... 
 
I forgot you start out in MP only playing against other noobs that dont have classes unlocked...I'm surprised I was able to find games playing.  God, this game is so much better than Killzone 3 it makes me depressed to think what GG did to Killzone to appease to the masses....Killzone 3 feels so much more Call of Duty-esque than I realized.  I played Salumn Market first and didn't realize how much they changed it in Killzone 3 (for the worst).  Still stand by, graphically, Killzone 2 even looks better in the MP at least. There is more effects going on in the maps...wind, things blowing around, smoke popping up from your footsteps, shadows, reflective effects on your weapons, and more objects in the environment that are destructible.

Infiltrators and cloaked snipers are probably the reason i get killed the most; with infiltrators i'll just shoot at anyone just to make sure, but some of those snipers really frustrate the hell out of me! If i'm running along and get sniped or standing somewhere for a little to long, good job, no problem with that. But the times i've been killed by some asshole sitting in a corner cloaked...  
 
I agree with the OP in that the engineers weapons are shit; he could really use a assualt rifle, even if its the burst medic rifle. At short range the LMG and SMG are fine but at medium to long range you'll probably die trying to get that kill. The turrets are to easy to take out and are "looking" the other way most of the time. And i hate the fact that you get damage when you run into a friendly turret, especially when someone put up a turret behind you... 
 
I still haven't seen the patch that fixes the cooldown time on the medics heal, so i'm not using him as often because the medic class as it is; is also underpowered.  
 
So for now i'm sticking with my tactician while i'm upgrading my infiltrator.

" Infiltrators and cloaked snipers are probably the reason i get killed the most; with infiltrators i'll just shoot at anyone just to make sure, but some of those snipers really frustrate the hell out of me! If i'm running along and get sniped or standing somewhere for a little to long, good job, no problem with that. But the times i've been killed by some asshole sitting in a corner cloaked...   I agree with the OP in that the engineers weapons are shit; he could really use a assualt rifle, even if its the burst medic rifle. At short range the LMG and SMG are fine but at medium to long range you'll probably die trying to get that kill. The turrets are to easy to take out and are "looking" the other way most of the time. And i hate the fact that you get damage when you run into a friendly turret, especially when someone put up a turret behind you...  I still haven't seen the patch that fixes the cooldown time on the medics heal, so i'm not using him as often because the medic class as it is; is also underpowered.   So for now i'm sticking with my tactician while i'm upgrading my infiltrator. "

operations 
 
and as long as u play with friends, it cant be bad