That Quickplay was awful.

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#1 Posted by Molomar (2 posts) -

It was so incredibly obvious that neither of them gave a fuck about the game and that harmed it. I know it may not be their type, and they aren't into the Kingdom Hearts universe, but still. When Totalbiscuit does his "WTF is..." series, which he based off of quickplays, even if he doesn't have interest in the game he still sounds excited about it if its good. He hates platformers or puzzlers, but it still sounds like he has fun with them if they're good. Kingdom Hearts 3D is a great game. Not the best in the series, but the combat is incredibly fun, if you play it right. Brad just didn't give a fuck... He skipped all the cutscenes and tutorials, had no idea how to use the combat system. Like what was up with him wondering if he could use flowmotion in that area? You can use flowmotion anywhere in the game! Also, they complained about there not being enough Disney or Square, which is a bunch of bullshit. The first level is ALL Square characters. The World Ends With You and Kingdom Hearts characters, which is Square. Right after that all the worlds you choose from are Disney! This was just an awful quickplay. It showed very little new things of the game, it was obvious they didn't give a shit about doing their job, and it was all just a big bunch of blah. Usually the quickplays are great, but this one was pathetic.

#2 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19388 posts) -

"Look"

#3 Edited by Canteu (2821 posts) -

@Molomar said:

It was so incredibly obvious that neither of them gave a fuck about the game and that harmed it.

Them making a video of them playing a game you like actively made the game worse? That's some impressive power they seem to have.

And it's pronounced "SlowBrowse"

#4 Posted by htr10 (351 posts) -

@FluxWaveZ said:

"Look"

Crap, where? What is it? Everybody get down!

#5 Posted by doobie (605 posts) -

shit game though... what do you expect from a shit game. a shit quickview is obvious

#6 Posted by falserelic (5407 posts) -

This isn't going to end well......

#7 Posted by Petiew (1360 posts) -

A lot of quick looks, jrpgs in particular, are filled with a feeling of disdain. If you're interested in getting a better look at these games just check out some coverage on a different site. The guys aren't particuarly knowledgeable about more niche genres and their content is generally meant to be more entertaining or to give a casual player not used to the genre a look into it.
 
Just don't take their content as seriously, I just skip through most of their fighting game and jrpg coverage these days.

#8 Posted by jonnyboy (2920 posts) -

It's almost as if you haven't watched any Quick Plays Looks on this site?

#9 Edited by Willtron (243 posts) -

@Molomar said:

It was so incredibly obvious that neither of them gave a fuck about the game and that harmed it. I know it may not be their type, and they aren't into the Kingdom Hearts universe, but still. When Totalbiscuit does his "WTF is..." series, which he based off of quickplays, even if he doesn't have interest in the game he still sounds excited about it if its good. He hates platformers or puzzlers, but it still sounds like he has fun with them if they're good. Kingdom Hearts 3D is a great game. Not the best in the series, but the combat is incredibly fun, if you play it right. Brad just didn't give a fuck... He skipped all the cutscenes and tutorials, had no idea how to use the combat system. Like what was up with him wondering if he could use flowmotion in that area? You can use flowmotion anywhere in the game! Also, they complained about there not being enough Disney or Square, which is a bunch of bullshit. The first level is ALL Square characters. The World Ends With You and Kingdom Hearts characters, which is Square. Right after that all the worlds you choose from are Disney! This was just an awful quickplay. It showed very little new things of the game, it was obvious they didn't give a shit about doing their job, and it was all just a big bunch of blah. Usually the quickplays are great, but this one was pathetic.

Fair enough if you're really butt-hurt. And yes, the Giant Bomb guys have been accused of phoning it in. Andddddd yes, Brad and Ryan readily admitted that they don't like Kingdom Hearts.

But as far as the 'Square' argument, it's a matter of choice of words. It's obvious that Brad and Ryan were referring to dudes like we'd seen in Kingdom Hearts and Kingdom Hearts II--Final Fantasy dudes all up in your face. The World Ends With You? Fair enough. But you can't consider Kingdom Hearts characters to be 'Square' in a crossover sense, because it's a fucking Kingdom Hearts game. I'd hope that Kingdom Hearts characters would be in a Kingdom Hearts game.

#10 Posted by Adaurin (187 posts) -

@Petiew said:

A lot of quick looks, jrpgs in particular, are filled with a feeling of disdain.

The quick look of Xenoblade is pretty damn positive.

#11 Edited by believer258 (12184 posts) -

...no. I really think Brad wanted to like it, he seemed to me like he did, but it's been so long since he's played a KH game that he doesn't know what's going on, and he was probably also trying to figure out the battle system.

And, frankly, at this point the game's stories are indecipherable to anyone who hasn't really kept up with the fiction, and they're not easy to keep up with if you have. Apart from that, the camera in that game was swinging around wildly, almost sickeningly, which is enough to make a lot of people want to not play a game at all.

So, yeah. Opinions, bro.

#12 Posted by killacam (1278 posts) -

man, that quickpeek was off the chain!

#13 Edited by drac96 (673 posts) -

@Molomar: I like Kingdom hearts a lot, but you're blowing this out of proportion.

First of all it's a quicklook. Second, of course they don't care about it. It's a completely story driven game and neither of them have played any of the others. Brad mentioned on the bomcast that he had only previously played around six hours of the original.

The "job" of a quicklook is to show a bit of the game and they did that.

#14 Posted by Petiew (1360 posts) -
@Adaurin: Sure, I didn't mean they irrationally hate all jrpgs and you're right the xenoblade QL was positive. But overall it's a genre they aren't very interested in and this translates fairly obviously to a lot of the quick looks or conversations on the bombcast that take place.
#15 Posted by starrjack1 (91 posts) -

This guy talking about "Quickplays" reminds me of my grandma talking about "That Nintendo PlayBox you kids like so much"

#16 Posted by Landon (4164 posts) -

Who gives a shit.

#17 Posted by Phatmac (5726 posts) -

YEAH MAN THAT "QUICKPLAY" SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 oh wait..

#18 Edited by GrantHeaslip (1681 posts) -

I at least got a sense of what the game was like, but I had the feeling that if I had any knowledge of the game at all, it would probably have been infuriating to watch Brad fumble his away around it. Whenever they've talked about the game, I've gotten the impression their minds were made up about it the second it was announced.

I get that it's not their kind of game, but I'm not sure that excuses making (what appeared to be) no attempt whatsoever to understand the mechanics, acting as if their lack of knowledge of the series is somehow a knock against the game, and constantly complaining about Disney characters not being present at all times.

I say this as someone who knows fuck-all about KH, so take this all with a grain of salt. It was mostly just the sense of closed-mindedness that rubbed me the wrong way.

#19 Posted by Huey2k2 (492 posts) -

@Molomar said:

It was so incredibly obvious that neither of them gave a fuck about the game and that harmed it. I know it may not be their type, and they aren't into the Kingdom Hearts universe, but still. When Totalbiscuit does his "WTF is..." series, which he based off of quickplays, even if he doesn't have interest in the game he still sounds excited about it if its good. He hates platformers or puzzlers, but it still sounds like he has fun with them if they're good. Kingdom Hearts 3D is a great game. Not the best in the series, but the combat is incredibly fun, if you play it right. Brad just didn't give a fuck... He skipped all the cutscenes and tutorials, had no idea how to use the combat system. Like what was up with him wondering if he could use flowmotion in that area? You can use flowmotion anywhere in the game! Also, they complained about there not being enough Disney or Square, which is a bunch of bullshit. The first level is ALL Square characters. The World Ends With You and Kingdom Hearts characters, which is Square. Right after that all the worlds you choose from are Disney! This was just an awful quickplay. It showed very little new things of the game, it was obvious they didn't give a shit about doing their job, and it was all just a big bunch of blah. Usually the quickplays are great, but this one was pathetic.

You obviously like the game, so who gives a shit if the QuickLook wasn't great?

This could be a generalization, but I feel like most people already know whether they want the game or not. Either you like KH or you don't. That QL was probably not going to sway anybodies opinion either way regardless.

#20 Posted by the_OFFICIAL_jAPanese_teaBAG (4284 posts) -

Lol quickplay

#21 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

Should I start a video series of Quickplays, which is just me and some other unfortunate user doing Quick Looks of obscure-ass games, only with purposefully bad quality video and shitty Russian accents?

#22 Posted by CptPanda29 (191 posts) -

Someone has a different opinion on the internet!

Also with an obvious typo this could be the most cliche'd forum thread of all time...

#23 Posted by Cloudenvy (5891 posts) -

I want all that quickplay.

#24 Edited by Thanatos3 (84 posts) -

who cares? If you like the series you will buy it. The only thing i disagreed with was the story that they complained about, you don't play say MGS 1 and go strait to MGS 4 and complain that everything is different and you cant make sense. I see it as unfair. I wish i could bring up a better example like LOTR but someone else did in the QL. Other than that the QL was pretty fair.

#25 Posted by zyn (2591 posts) -

Quick! Someone copyright "Quick Play"!

#26 Posted by redefaulted (2826 posts) -

While I think you completely over-reacted, I agree with you. The problem is the breadth of the game and I think it is a flaw Giantbomb needs to consider. It would be nice to maybe see a Quick Look that is actually pieced together content of the game from several different areas. That way we are not seeing such a tiny bit of the game and can actually here the guys' opinion on the content over-time.

I don't know, just my two cents. Your raging is going to cause the Devil's Advocates here to roll over in their grave, so be careful and just ignore the bullshit replies.

#27 Posted by President_Barackbar (3474 posts) -

@Video_Game_King said:

Should I start a video series of Quickplays, which is just me and some other unfortunate user doing Quick Looks of obscure-ass games, only with purposefully bad quality video and shitty Russian accents?

Don't tread on Gamebomb.ru, those guys will call in the Russian mafia on your ass.

#28 Edited by Willtron (243 posts) -

As a few others have pointed out, too, this is a game that is deep and entrenched in its story. Brad readily admitted he was warming up to the game, but the story is a fucking impenetrable mess to someone who doesn't keep up with it. And Brad and Ryan, whether they aren't exactly fans of J-RPGs or not, are basically paid not to keep up with franchises. Their jobs demand they play a shit-load of games.

And it's a quick look, a quick look where Brad was only level five. Sometimes people aren't going to understand all of the game's mechanics right away. Yes, it can be annoying when the dudes don't have everything down. It's more annoying when they miss blatant tips in games. But, again, these guys kinda have to play a shit-ton of games as a job. It's kind of hard to be a master at a game, especially one with so many systems in place like Kingdom Hearts in so little time.

And honestly, their J-RPG coverage is like their sports coverage, to me. Sports games are iterative, generally. The coverage isn't warranted. Especially when there's sites dedicated to sports games that can figure out the nuances from year-to-year. Generally, bigger sites like Gamespot or IGN have shit sports game coverage because they don't know how to play the fucking games. Or, sometimes, maybe said games really are iterative and have nothing worthy to offer. Just like sometimes J-RPGs can be iterative. These dudes are a small team. They aren't Gamespot. Jeff has said several times over that Giant Bomb's mentality is not to try to appeal to everyone for everything. They can't. And that's smart. So because of that, they aren't going to have a 'J-RPG guy' like sites might have in the old days of video games journalism. They aren't interested in J-RPGs. And Kingdom Hearts had a lot stacked against it with a mess of a story, deep systems, disinterest, and a busy schedule that's counter-intuitive to a game like Kingdom Hearts.

But again, Brad was warming up to it. Just like Patrick warmed up to Xenoblade and gave it a fair quick look. Like Alex gave NBA 2K11 a glowing review because it deserved attention. As much as Giant Bomb is a small team, they still do need to appeal to niche games and the masses sometimes, to grow. It's a hindrance and it's also completely necessary. I think that's why they covered Kingdom Hearts. They felt like they needed to. And Brad tried. Did it do the game a disservice? Maybe. It especially would to a die-hard. Just like watching these guys fumble through Football Manager wouldn't be fun for me if I took the video too seriously. But then again, I consider myself a die-hard racing dude, and I still enjoy the racing sim quick looks. Because I know they're trying, and shenanigans always occur. Maybe that's a bit harder with Kingdom Hearts, but I hope you get my point.

You want coverage of a game like Kingdom Hearts? Go to a dedicated site for that shit where you KNOW they'll do it 'properly'. That simple.

You've got a point, but you've went about it in a shit way. The guys maybe do need to figure out things with how they present quick looks. But you want quick looks of big-ass games like this right away? Then you'll have to live with a few fuck-ups. Or expect quick looks to come a bit later than a few days after the game's been out--you know, when no one cares anymore and the guys have another game to cover, because the games industry moves so fast.

It's a problem of KH being shit at presenting an accessible story and being very hard to quick-look well for these guys as much as it is on these guys as much as it is on the process of how they do quick-looks and how the video games industry works.

#29 Posted by august (3866 posts) -

Stupid bakka gajins with their big hands and rap music.

#30 Posted by Superkenon (1506 posts) -

I say this as a hopeless Kingdom Hearts fan -- the series is completely fucking impenetrable.

I can't blame either of them for getting lost in the sea of madness. The only way anything makes sense is if you've played, like, every game in the series -- which is a ridiculous demand since they're scattered across so many platforms -- and even then, it's so goddamn convoluted unto itself, and yes, way up its own ass.

With that said, I dig all that, personally. I have an odd respect for this series in its willingness to go nuts with its lore over and over. But I also understand how unapproachable it has become. And also how the Disney pieces, while maintaining in obligatory presence, are becoming increasingly irrelevant. Kingdom Hearts 1 had a plot that was carried about largely by Disney villains... nowadays it's more that the places you visit just happen to be Disney worlds. I think they could serve to back up on that, but whatevs.

Brad is clearly trying to like it, and seems to enjoy how it's played to an extent... but it's not pulling him in, because he's not a Kingdom Hearts fan and isn't up on all the wacky details. That's the fault of the series.

#31 Posted by NathHaw (2802 posts) -

@GrantHeaslip: From your avatar, I can tell you're a fan.

I am also disappointed that KH has never been a thing for the GB guys. The ones I've played are great.

#32 Posted by CL60 (16906 posts) -
#33 Posted by wjb (1696 posts) -

Hmm, that's weird. A Kingdom Hearts fan is upset about something...

#34 Posted by casper_ (908 posts) -

man, did you make an account just to unleash your weeaboo rage?

#35 Posted by Make_Me_Mad (3114 posts) -

Never watch a quick look of a game you like, especially if it's of a genre or series the guys typically don't enjoy. All that'll happen is that you'll get pissed at all the misinformation and want to comment about their dickishness, but then you'll look like an asshat too. Best thing to do is to take a breath and remember that they were never going to like certain games anyways.

Also, be aware that they have a weird selective blindness/deafness/inability to read or put two-and-two together when it comes to certain games, and will flail like helpless children while complaining about the game not giving them enough information or guiding them well enough. They may also quip about excessive hand holding if it dares to teach them something about how to play. They may even go from complaining about one aspect of a game and then go on to praise the same aspect in a totally different game months later. Again, just breathe, don't bother complaining.

The guys are going to mess up while covering games. Sometimes it feels like they mess up more than they get it right! Just remember, if you don't enjoy the way they represent a game, it's (probably) not personal. They missed something blindingly obvious? Mention it in the comments, but don't be an ass about it. They fucked up and then blamed it on the game? Let people know where, how, and how badly they fucked up, but do it without the vitriol.

All that said, someone on the staff still deserves to lose a hand for that Shadow of the Colossus quick look.

#36 Posted by zudthespud (3284 posts) -

I thought it was a fine quick glance.

#37 Posted by blindisaac (141 posts) -

Go back to reading your KH fan fiction dude. They already stated they are indifferent towards the franchise as a whole because of how dumb the whole thing kind of is with the story that is so up its up its own ass, the characters they dont like., etc.

#38 Posted by benjaebe (2784 posts) -

@Make_Me_Mad said:

All that said, someone on the staff still deserves to lose a hand for that Shadow of the Colossus quick look.

Since the day Giant Bomb started, that's the only quick look that has ever visibly upset me.

#39 Posted by triviaman09 (803 posts) -

Who could have predicted this thread, honestly?

#40 Posted by august (3866 posts) -

@Video_Game_King said:

Should I start a video series of Quickplays, which is just me and some other unfortunate user doing Quick Looks of obscure-ass games, only with purposefully bad quality video and shitty Russian accents?

Yes.

#41 Posted by Mikey2D (219 posts) -

@CL60 said:

Thank you CL60 for making me laugh :)

More and more there seem to be posts with people complaining about giantbomb in some way. If you don't like the site, the people involved in it or the content they create then go find somewhere else for your gaming site needs.

Personally GB ticks all the boxes for me when it comes to all of the above, but obviously you can't please everyone all the time.

#42 Edited by Xymox (2115 posts) -

@Molomar said:

even if he doesn't have interest in the game he still sounds excited about it

... To each his own. I'll take uninformed hands-on "let's figure this shit out together" experience over straight up feigned excitement any time. Well, unless the excitement is sarcastic, because that just makes it even better in those cases when the game actually turns out to be a big surprise and is actually a) not half bad and b) interesting in it's own right. The game needs to be able to carry itself. Jumping in within the first few hours can show what kind of experience you might have with it at that point, like a first look at things. A fast glance, if you will. An accelerated gaze.

I think you get a pretty good feel of it regardless of how poorly it's played to know if that's something you want to get in on or not and/or put time in to figure out. All they do is roll the camera and go, sometimes they've spent time with the game and sometimes they haven't, and they're upfront about it in the videos. Just my 2popcorns.

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#43 Posted by avidwriter (665 posts) -

Game was bad anyway, it's obvious you are a KH fanboy anyway. Go cry somewhere else cause your jimmies got rustled.

#44 Posted by c0l0nelp0c0rn1 (1811 posts) -

That first Kingdom Hearts game sure was something wasn't it?

The whole series went downhill when you started fighting thousands of enemies.

#45 Posted by krazy_kyle (715 posts) -

If they don't like a game then they can't help how they feel. Also, Totalbiscuit has disliked games in his "WTF is..." series. There is nothing more pathetic than complaining about a Giant Bomb quick look on the Giant Bomb forums, I'm pretty sure anyone with a single brain cell would know they will just get burned and won't get any sympathy. I think I just got a fairly decent dig in at you so now would you kindly, fuck off. :D

#46 Posted by 49th (2844 posts) -

I do agree somewhat. They tend to not give a shit in Quick Looks with games they don't give a shit about. Which makes sense. But it would be nice sometimes if they were a bit more impartial towards some things.

#47 Posted by GrantHeaslip (1681 posts) -

@nrh79 said:

@GrantHeaslip: From your avatar, I can tell you're a fan.

I am also disappointed that KH has never been a thing for the GB guys. The ones I've played are great.

My Wind Waker avatar?

#48 Posted by RaisingIndiana (76 posts) -

@GrantHeaslip said:

@nrh79 said:

@GrantHeaslip: From your avatar, I can tell you're a fan.

I am also disappointed that KH has never been a thing for the GB guys. The ones I've played are great.

My Wind Waker avatar?

I was going to say the same thing to him. Hard for me to understand how someone can confuse your avatar with something from KH.

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#49 Posted by mbr2 (570 posts) -

Is this a serious thread about a game which contains spikey haired bad-anime kids and disney characters? Is this really happening?

#50 Edited by NathHaw (2802 posts) -

@RaisingIndiana said:

@GrantHeaslip said:

@nrh79 said:

@GrantHeaslip: From your avatar, I can tell you're a fan.

I am also disappointed that KH has never been a thing for the GB guys. The ones I've played are great.

My Wind Waker avatar?

I was going to say the same thing to him. Hard for me to understand how someone can confuse your avatar with something from KH.

See it now. My mistake was seeing the avatar as Destiny Islands.

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