What Would Square Enix Be Without the Kingdom Hearts Team Today?

#1 Edited by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -

Sup fools, 
 
Today I was eating at Wendy's™ with some friends while we hopped onto our iPhone 4s as we watched two kids dressed like Sora and Riku eat some delicious burgers.  It got me and my friend's thinking, Kingdom Hearts is now Square's most profitable franchise and the Kingdom Hearts team is the only team that is scoring well above the averages in both scores and sales.  The team working on Kingdom Hearts and Versus XIII is literally keeping Square alive for the past decade.   
 
So with that said, they could easily leave Square Enix after they finish Versus XIII and Kingdom Hearts III, and then join up ATLUS or Level-5.  I mean, you would retarded if you didn't hire them.  They have yet to make a bad game...and they have yet to make a game that doesn't sell in the multiple of millions.  I mean, seriously....Kingdom Hearts is now Square's most important franchise without question.   
 
Sure some might say you got Batman and Edios, but they don't count.  It's like the adopted kid, at the end of the day it just doesn't count (no offense to anyone who is adopted or has a sibling who is adopted).   
 
So, let's pretend the KH team left (along with Nomura and Yoko) after KH2, where would Square be today?

#2 Posted by MooseyMcMan (11126 posts) -

You do a lot of thinking at restaurants. 

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#3 Edited by ProfessorEss (7398 posts) -
@MooseyMcMan said:

You do a lot of thinking at restaurants. 

I think "a lot" might be a little strong - and sittin around Wendy's daydreaming about Nomura and Kingdom Hearts ain't exactly heavy lifting :P
#4 Posted by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -
@MooseyMcMan said:
You do a lot of thinking at restaurants. 
Old Chinese saying, "ching zshou yon shi kin no hikari mo nani ga suki yo", or "those who eat in mass, see the light".
#5 Posted by ImmortalSaiyan (4683 posts) -

You sure love Kingdoms hearts and Nomura. It's like all I ever see you post about.

#6 Posted by MooseyMcMan (11126 posts) -
@KaosAngel said:
@MooseyMcMan said:
You do a lot of thinking at restaurants. 
Old Chinese saying, "ching zshou yon shi kin no hikari mo nani ga suki yo", or "those who eat in mass, see the light".
Well, I eat in Mass(achusetts) all the time, so that's good! ;) 
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#7 Posted by cinemandrew (711 posts) -
@KaosAngel: Why wouldn't Batman and Eidos count?
#8 Posted by xyzygy (10008 posts) -

Maybe they would have kept being the same old turn based Sqauresoft/Enix that we love? Maybe they wouldn't have delved into much Action-RPGs? 
 
I only sense good things from this theoretical situation. I would have loved Square if they just kept making the same old turn based RPGs.

#9 Posted by ESREVER (2693 posts) -
@KaosAngel said:
Sup fools,  Today I was eating at Wendy's™ with some friends while we hopped onto our iPhone 4s as we watched two kids dressed like Sora and Riku eat some delicious burgers...
Gaddamnit Kaos! God damnit. 
Stop watching little kids eat food with your friends. 
SE needs to revive the Nier developer. I want more Nier.
#10 Posted by Afroman269 (7387 posts) -

Wait, the Kingdom Hearts franchise is more profitable than the Final Fantasy franchise?

#11 Posted by Soap (3594 posts) -

Ahhhh I remember when Kingdom Hearts used to not suck.

#12 Posted by LordXavierBritish (6320 posts) -

They wouldn't own Eidos and FFXIV wouldn't exist. 
 
Here is a funny picture.

#13 Posted by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -
@Afroman269: If you count the proper FF games and compare it to the KH games, KH has made more money over the past decade.
#14 Posted by NickL (2246 posts) -
@ImmortalSaiyan said:

You sure love Kingdoms hearts and Nomura. It's like all I ever see you post about.

That or cars. 
 
@KaosAngel said:
@Afroman269: If you count the proper FF games and compare it to the KH games, KH has made more money over the past decade.
What do you mean by proper FF game? I consider anything with final fantasy in the name a final fantasy game?
#15 Posted by Azteck (7449 posts) -
@ESREVER said:
@KaosAngel said:
Sup fools,  Today I was eating at Wendy's™ with some friends while we hopped onto our iPhone 4s as we watched two kids dressed like Sora and Riku eat some delicious burgers...
Gaddamnit Kaos! God damnit. Stop watching little kids eat food with your friends.
He's right, Kaos. People might get the wrong idea.
#16 Posted by Aetheldod (3593 posts) -

Well , making more Final Fantasy games  , also nice games like Xenogears , Parasite Eve (the first one) , Chrono Trigger etc.

#17 Posted by ReyGitano (2467 posts) -

As big as Kingdom Hearts is, it's always a side thought to Final Fantasy when I think about Square. I don't know about Square Enix's finance, but image wise, I don't think much would be different.

#18 Posted by vidiot (2737 posts) -

I think that in one-form or the other, no matter how backwards Square is right now, they would have gravitated toward a more action oriented design over-time.
 
Who knows what Square would be without Nomura, and I say that statement with equal amounts of negative and positive connotations. It is a curious thing to ponder, and my guess is that it would be for better or worse a far different company than it is today. The real question is who would have filled his place, and given the large amount of awkward designers and awkward projects coming out of Square right now, it's kinda scary to think about. 
 
I'm not a fan of Nomura, but at least the stuff his team has released the last decade at Square has been pretty stable.

#19 Posted by Animasta (14697 posts) -
@ESREVER said:
@KaosAngel said:
Sup fools,  Today I was eating at Wendy's™ with some friends while we hopped onto our iPhone 4s as we watched two kids dressed like Sora and Riku eat some delicious burgers...
Gaddamnit Kaos! God damnit. Stop watching little kids eat food with your friends. SE needs to revive the Nier developer. I want more Nier.
They should just hire the director and the music dudes.
 
someone at square did say they were thinking about it though, so THERES STILL HOPE
 
(there's no hope, just like in Nier)
#20 Posted by xyzygy (10008 posts) -

Why are people treating Nomura like he took the company and created it his own? 
 
Nomura was simply the NEXT BEST THING after Sakaguchi and his team left. He is no messiah that you claim him to be Kaos, he was just the next rung on the ladder.

#21 Posted by Akrid (1356 posts) -

Dragon Quest...

#22 Posted by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -
@Akrid said:
Dragon Quest...
Alright, aside from Dragon Quest...but damnit, you are right.  DQ would be their tier one game if they had no other IPs.
#23 Posted by Akrid (1356 posts) -
@KaosAngel: Also, FFXIII alone sold 5 million copies. That Dragon Quest DS game sold 5 mil as well. All the KH games combined have sold 12 mil.
 
Of their flagship series, KH is the weakest.
#24 Posted by DAFTPUNK (1213 posts) -
@Afroman269: i don't think that is correct... but let's just roll with it shall we

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