Kinda messed up house of ballads (Spoilers)

#1 Posted by sergeantz (140 posts) -

I was going through the House of Ballads questline today, and took it all the way to the final showdown with the Maid of Windmyre. The whole time, I was as threatening as possible, choosing the "I'm going to kill you" option whenever she showed up. I got in battle with her, and towards the end, activated Reckoning Mode (guitar squeal). I beat her the rest of the way down and prepped for the camera shift that comes with the special kill. What I didn't know was that there was going to be more dialogue at the end. I was already hitting buttons when some options came up. Next thing I know, she's telling me how alike we are, and how she'll prepare things for our future. I chased her around the hall swinging my chakrams, but it didn't matter.

So, yeah. I gave the entire House of Ballads over to the bad guy. I think I'm her lover as well.

#2 Posted by Bane (426 posts) -

I don't think this quest is about good versus evil. In my opinion it's more along the lines of tradition versus revolution. The way they live the same life over and over again seems horrible and I can sympathize with wanting to break free of that cycle. I chose tradition in the end even though I thought her revolutionary thinking paralleled my situation as the Fateless One. She just wanted what I had: the freedom to make your own destiny.

#3 Posted by sergeantz (140 posts) -

I probably would have caught that, if I hadn't skipped the last bit of text in the effort to kill her. That's the irritating part; I don't know what she said or what my options were. Besides, I don't really thing she had much freedom, being under the influence of that crystal. Plus the fact that I had to mow down the entire court of ballads, who she had brainwashed, doesn't help her case much.

#4 Posted by Bane (426 posts) -

Good points. Maybe she was trying to persuade us to her side simply because she was tired of being defeated by Sagrell. If we choose to let her live and make her own destiny will she continue on as she's portrayed by the House of Ballads or would she truly walk a different path?

#5 Posted by S0ndor (2716 posts) -

I did that on purpose. Bunch of fake heroes living out the same events over and over again ad infinitum. It isn't really courage when you already know how everything's gonna pan out, now is it?

#6 Posted by Oldirtybearon (4826 posts) -

One thing I've noticed about Reckoning is that there aren't any real good vs evil situations. Sure you can find some poor sod getting attacked by Barghest, and choose to help them, but that's just being a decent person. I'm referring to the Houses and sidequests. I've played through Ballads (conceptually one of the best things to come along in RPGs in a long time), Travelers, Warsworn, and am now doing the House of Sorrows. Outside of the Warsworn, which was a pretty standard warrior hero quest line, a lot of the plots and decisions you make wind up being morally grey, at best. Like I chose to break the cycle for the House of Ballads. I did it more for the poor bastards who had to keep reliving their demise over and over again, but it felt like the right thing to do.

I'm 50 hours in and I still keep coming back to the House of Ballads as my favourite quest line. It wasn't balls-out awesome in the obvious sense, but it was really well done.

#7 Posted by phrali (646 posts) -

PRO TIP always make a hard save before any significant battle or quest. in any RPG ever.

#8 Edited by MikeGosot (3227 posts) -

Button mashing is your enemy. Also, this seems like bad design.

#9 Posted by pweidman (2340 posts) -

I just got through with Ballad's, and yeah, it was weird how the dialogue stop was right before you toss her on the spike. I barely saw the responses as I was mashing too, and I got the traditional ending, and that's fine for me as that's what I would've chosen anyway. Excellent questline.

#10 Posted by sergeantz (140 posts) -

@MikeGosot said:

Button mashing is your enemy. Also, this seems like bad design.

Unless you are in Reckoning Mode (hell, yeah). Then you are supposed to hammer the hell out of those buttons for max experience.

#11 Posted by Flaboere (344 posts) -

I completed this quest by not killing her too, and it sounded like she would make some space for me or something, like I would get a house at her place maybe, but I didn't get a follow-up quest. Does she return later, does anyone know?

#12 Posted by MikeGosot (3227 posts) -
@sergeantz said:

@MikeGosot said:

Button mashing is your enemy. Also, this seems like bad design.

Unless you are in Reckoning Mode (hell, yeah). Then you are supposed to hammer the hell out of those buttons for max experience.

Okay, so button mashing is your friend in Reckoning Mode. But it still is bad design. I mean, you have "GOTTAMASHDATBUTTON MODE" and all of a sudden, they present you with the final choice in which you gotta think very carefully about the decision.
#13 Posted by SuperWristBands (2266 posts) -
@MikeGosot The mashing comes into play as you choose to end reckoning mode and you see about 5 seconds of an animation before you are prompted to mash. It is a QTE. I suppose the fact that everything slows down during reckoning mode it invites one to go crazy smashing things but it isn't required to mash. In this fight you do not recieve the ability to enter the QTE. It is likely one is attacking when the conversation starts regardless of which "mode" they are in. Yeah, they should have had a cutscene instead of jumping straight into the convo.

I guess the lesson to learn is: don't mash.

(sorry about the formatting, posting this from an iPod)
#14 Posted by BatmanReturned (49 posts) -

That's funny that fucking dialogue box popped up for me mid combo and I selected a different option which wasn't the one I wanted. I wonder if this is something Big Huge Games will patch if they even do a lot of post launch support for the game because that was damn annoying.

#15 Posted by sergeantz (140 posts) -

@Flaboere: If you go to the House of Ballads throne room, she's just chilling out there. She says some stuff about regaining glory for the house and beating the Tuatha, but as far as quests or other content, that seems to be it.

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