" @PhatSeeJay said:

All units!

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The shooting has to handle like Red Dead at the very least.

This thread was cited as a source in this CVG article. That's pretty awesome!!!

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This thread was cited as a source in this CVG article. That's pretty awesome!!!

"

I do not trust/read newspaper video game reviews... might as well read the recommendations for games in Playboy

It seems a little flippant for people to dismiss the review entirely just because it comes from a newspaper. Sure, the daily print media doesn't necessarily have the best track record when it comes to games journalism, but The Guardian is one, possibly the only, that actually does pretty good reviews for video games.

I don't think it's possible for a shooting system to feel more clunky that GTA.  Not. Possible.

I never usually read the guardians reviews but seeing as its the only one that seems to be out there at the moment why not.

After reading it I remember why, the guardian seems to review games in a way that takes the fun out of them completely.

"  "Rockstar reckons it's roughly equivalent in length to two seasons of a TV series, a claim that feels roughly accurate."Some people don't care about length, but this rough estimate tells me it should be around 40 to 50 hours. Well, if they're talking about a 60 minute crime drama.  "

Any word on differences between platforms, I'm nitpicky (and I'm just about to pre-order) and need to know which version to get.

" Any word on differences between platforms, I'm nitpicky (and I'm just about to pre-order) and need to know which version to get.

I know about the disc swapping and PSN being down forever, but anything other than that?

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" @TheSeductiveMoose said:

" Any word on differences between platforms, I'm nitpicky (and I'm just about to pre-order) and need to know which version to get.

I know about the disc swapping and PSN being down forever, but anything other than that?

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The PS3 version may have slightly better graphics since it was the lead platform, but other than that (and what you already listed), nah. Again generally comes down to whether you prefer the bing of an Achievement, or the ding of a trophy. "

A shooting system clunkier than the one in GTA4? Wow, this is gonna be awful.

" @TheSeductiveMoose said:

" Any word on differences between platforms, I'm nitpicky (and I'm just about to pre-order) and need to know which version to get.

I know about the disc swapping and PSN being down forever, but anything other than that?

"

The PS3 version may have slightly better graphics since it was the lead platform, but other than that (and what you already listed), nah. Again generally comes down to whether you prefer the bing of an Achievement, or the ding of a trophy. "

" @Delta_Ass: Wait for more people to have a word about it before you write it off. At least see what Jeff has to say about how it feels. "

I read somewhere that no auto-aim was the default.

I'm actually more interested in it now that I know the shooting isn't a main component. The thing that took me out of games like GTA and RDR was the fact the the character was killing hundreds of people with no repercussions. Uncharted 2 got the same reaction from a lot of people as well. I can't wait for this game despite the fact that I have to.

Which reminds me. I need to still finish RDR.

Everyone that didn't see the review last night, rest assured, those bites at the beginning of this thread are the most important parts. The review was maybe a paragraph or two more content, and there'ss nothing in there other than the usual "This game is well made" stuff you see in 5 star reviews. 

" @Daveyo520 said:

" @Delta_Ass: Wait for more people to have a word about it before you write it off. At least see what Jeff has to say about how it feels. "

i loved the GTA IV shooting.. i've no idea what clunkiness people are talking about "

" @Ahmad_Metallic said:

" @Daveyo520 said:

" @Delta_Ass: Wait for more people to have a word about it before you write it off. At least see what Jeff has to say about how it feels. "

i loved the GTA IV shooting.. i've no idea what clunkiness people are talking about "

Agreed, people really have some hate for GTA IV but I thought it was great! "

" @AgentofChaos said:

" @Ahmad_Metallic said:

" @Daveyo520 said:

" @Delta_Ass: Wait for more people to have a word about it before you write it off. At least see what Jeff has to say about how it feels. "

i loved the GTA IV shooting.. i've no idea what clunkiness people are talking about "

Agreed, people really have some hate for GTA IV but I thought it was great! "

All those who praise GTA IV deserve an internet chest bump

*chest bump*

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I have never felt that the GTA IV shooting was clunky. People are insane.

" @Ahmad_Metallic said:

" @AgentofChaos said:

" @Ahmad_Metallic said:

" @Daveyo520 said:

" @Delta_Ass: Wait for more people to have a word about it before you write it off. At least see what Jeff has to say about how it feels. "

i loved the GTA IV shooting.. i've no idea what clunkiness people are talking about "

Agreed, people really have some hate for GTA IV but I thought it was great! "

All those who praise GTA IV deserve an internet chest bump

*chest bump*

"

CHEST BUMP. I also don't know what this clunkiness people talk about is. I thought the shooting was very satisfying. "

" I have never felt that the GTA IV shooting was clunky. People are insane. "

My big problem with GTA IV's shooting is the cover mechanic. Sure, it's not as refined as Gears or Uncharted, but Niko takes so long to pop out of cover and go back. Same goes for the animation for blind firing.

@PrivateIronTFU said:

" I have never felt that the GTA IV shooting was clunky. People are insane. "

Right on brother. I'm with you. And it was even better in RDR.

BLASTED! I didn't get to read it due to that embargo. Does anyone have info on when this embargo is up? I find it really stupid to put them up in the first place. Most gamers wait for reviews anyway.
(edit: what i mean by wait for reviews is most people (or is it just me) wait to see if the game is broken or something)

Can't wait, have it pre-ordered and everything.

I'm ready

I'm ready

 "Rockstar reckons it's roughly equivalent in length to two seasons of a TV series, a claim that feels roughly accurate."Some people don't care about length, but this rough estimate tells me it should be around 40 to 50 hours. Well, if they're talking about a 60 minute crime drama. I liked the review. I'm starting to feel that tingle. Might need to get on day one and see for myself. 

@PrivateIronTFU said:

" I have never felt that the GTA IV shooting was clunky. People are insane. "

Right on brother. I'm with you. And it was even better in RDR.

I read the review in the guardian paper.
Didn't give any details so I wouldn't trust it. Regardless I will buy it, I'm hoping it won't be a huge flop.

Hesitant to post this since I haven't seen any concrete proof, but I've seen multiple sites and NeoGAF talking about a leaked Game Informer AU review giving the game a 9.5/10.

@Claude said:

 "Rockstar reckons it's roughly equivalent in length to two seasons of a TV series, a claim that feels roughly accurate."Some people don't care about length, but this rough estimate tells me it should be around 40 to 50 hours. Well, if they're talking about a 60 minute crime drama. I liked the review. I'm starting to feel that tingle. Might need to get on day one and see for myself. 

That sure is a lot of HD awesomeness, YOU READY MAN?

Official Xbox Magazine UK's reviews has leaked online as well. Another perfect score.

 “If you were expecting L.A Noire to be a reskinned GTA then you will be left severely disappointed. Many times we hear, “Who will be gaming’s Citizen Kane?”. Personally, I don’t have the gall to say L.A Noire is that type of game. But it is a game that will revolutionize the gaming industry as we know it. Never in my 20 year history of gaming have I encountered a game with as much finesse, intelligence, and attention to detail as L.A Noire, and for that I applaud L.A Noire. A game which has the nerve to do so much, in an industry where a seldom few are.”