Why can't anyone be happy, The game hopefully comes out and it will be good it's a valve game they still deliver after all these years.
2 things:
People not liking incendiary ammo, Why not bullets that light people on fire is cool, bullets that light zombies on fire Cooler.
People not liking that it is during the day, cause there is no sunlight during the zombie apocalypse there not vampires.
Left 4 Dead 2
Game » consists of 10 releases. Released Nov 17, 2009
In the sequel to Valve's cooperative zombie shooter, a new team of four ragtag survivors must work together to survive the apocalypse, facing new Infected threats as they fight their way across the Southern United States.
People Hating on L4D2
I agree with your points, but the biggest thing people are complaining about is that Valve gave almost no support to L4D besides adding things that should have been there in the first place. And this complaint makes sense.
Well I will give you that the first one didn't ship with very much in my opinion the multiplayer was ok but got boring after a short while and there were only a hand full of scenario's for you to play.
Hopefully this one offers up more and I hope people can just be happy that the game is coming out.
((And A little off topic, Isn't the campaign starting in Georgia and ending in Mississippi?)
The point is that this could have been one of valves famous free updates, as they've been constantly doing with Team Fortress 2. It's totally out of character or them to release a full price game just a year after the previous release of that franchise. I suspect there is going to be more to this than we currently know, and it's going to be a huge game, extremely worthy of a full release, rather than an update. I'm not going to condemn it yet like some people are, but it is extremely out of character for valve. If it really is going to just be a few more campaigns, weird fire ammo and melee combat, then valve should have released these things gradually as free updates to L4D.
but you don't know how long each will be they could be 5 longer campaigns with minor checkpoints between the start and the saferoom, like a building you think you can hold down and find out you can't.
((I am waiting for someone to tell me Incendiary Ammo isn't realistic..))
" The point is that this could have been one of valves famous free updates "
The reason I would complain about L4D2 (and what I believe is the reason for many) is that L4D just came out this past November and there's already going to be a sequel...Where's HL2: Episode 3? or even a Portal 2? ...Those games are much older and I think people would rather see something new from either of those franchises before seeing a whole new sequel for Valve's last game. I am personally going crazy over the fact that we still haven't heard diddly-squat about HL2: Episode 3...The way Episode 2 ended...seriously, just give me EP3 already!
Cod4: Release November 11th 2008
Cod MW2: Release November 10th 2009.
you can release a game within a year of the first one being launched. I think the game will be good and hopefully look better then the 1st one cause the graphics were lacking. Though you can't complain when there are hundreds of zombies running at you.
" Cod4: Release November 11th 2008Cod MW2: Release November 10th 2009.you can release a game within a year of the first one being launched. I think the game will be good and hopefully look better then the 1st one cause the graphics were lacking. Though you can't complain when there are hundreds of zombies running at you. "
If the tech in L4D2 is so different with a buffed AI director CQB weapons, (with more information coming this summer) it might just not be possible for valve to bolt it onto L4D, also with 5 new stories its a bunch of bundled DLC.If Valve release L4D2 with a good price point, with lots of additions onto the game,a new unannounced game type, and if they announce continued support on this sequel now , this will defiantly be worth paying day 1 for.
Although i can see how this does break Valves past ethos with its games, and not seeing Ep3 was a bummer
" but you don't know how long each will be they could be 5 longer campaigns with minor checkpoints between the start and the saferoom, like a building you think you can hold down and find out you can't.
Im very excited for number 2,just shocked its comin out so soon considering its valve were talkin about
I did read somewhere that Microsoft made the wrong annoncement and that L4D2 is for the 360 but will be an expansion for the PC or something like that.
The Turtle Rock team that does L4D has nothing to do with the Half-Life and Portal teams other than being under the Valve umbrella, so this isn't coming out 'instead' of anything. I am skeptical, I prefer the aesthetic of the first one, the TF2 characters and Dead Rising melee feel a little light-hearted in comparison. I'm giving Valve the benefit of the doubt though, I'm betting there is a big component to this we've heard nothing about. Part of another Orange Box style bundle? Who knows.
((I am waiting for someone to tell me Incendiary Ammo isn't realistic..)) "
I totally thought the trailer was for DR2 when it played. It looks different from L4D, and in a bad way imo. More arcade maybe. But considering the short length, lack of story and generally low production values, the L4D series is prolly a huge cash cow and is being dev'd as such apparently. Maybe this'll start looking better, but at first impression has lost it's edge from the first L4D so far.
It'll be interesting to see how it'll be received, and if Valve might look back in regret at not supporting L4D with DLC, which they could have sold oodles of anyway(yeah I mean big expansion type stuff they could get away with charging for).
I agree with what Jeff said during the Day 00 video. He said that he'd rather have the team working on a bigger product that can come out in two years rather than 4 (Half Life 2: Episode 3)
Thankfully I got L4D on a half price weekend. That's still $25 that I only got a few months out of...
And the problem I have with incendiary ammo is not the realism (see, this is a game where you fight ZOMBIES) but the fact that it's easy enough to kill everything. There are so many gas cans and Molotovs all over the place that you can set half the zombies on fire, and you can kill Tanks in seconds on most levels. Do we really need more fire?
People would complain about more L4D?
I personally would have been happy if they stuck to the same characters and added new maps. I also would have been happy to pay for the additional content. With the AI alone, it takes alot more effort to make than a simple map pack. So i understand why it wouldn't be free.
" @ConfusedSanity: Expect only one more campaign then the first game. So its not like they are exactly packing this game up with new features. Just same old same old for another 50$ "
""There are such things as incendiary rounds, you want realism I always wanted to start off in a location and be completely safe behind a red door.@ConfusedSanity said:It isn't realistic, but it's a zombie game. It's like saying having a chainsaw on a gun is unrealistic against the Locust.((I am waiting for someone to tell me Incendiary Ammo isn't realistic..)) "
" @Player1: 5 campaigns..with 4 maps each. So it's the same number of maps. "
I belive I read it on IGN, but Valve is considering putting all of the original L4D campaigns into the game for added value and so people wouldn't need to swap out discs between the two. That means there probably won't be much difference the two games, but 9 campaigns with mp, survival, and a new game mode isn't a massive rip. (Execpt to those who bought L4D full price last November)
And I was about to buy L4D this weekend too; good thing I didn't though...
"I belive I read it on IGN, but Valve is considering putting all of the original L4D campaigns into the game for added value and so people wouldn't need to swap out discs between the two. That means there probably won't be much difference the two games, but 9 campaigns with mp, survival, and a new game mode isn't a massive rip. (Execpt to those who bought L4D full price last November)
"
And I was about to buy L4D this weekend too; good thing I didn't though...
After hearing about how many new things are in L4D 2, I've come around and can't wait for it now. I will pay full price for this game.
" After hearing about how many new things are in L4D 2, I've come around and can't wait for it now. I will pay full price for this game.I just played Dead Air vs today, and the map is so glitched out, it is just beyond repair. Valve is watching what people do online - Shiva stacking, abusing corners, Smoker insta kills, spamming melee. I can go on and on. They need to build a game from the ground up in order to address these problems properly."
You know what? There are a lot of people bitching about the new L4D, but I bet over half of them will buy the damn game anyway. It wouldn't be the Internet without people complaining about something. That's just the way it is.
This soup is too hot, this soup is too cold, blah blah blah...
I paid sixty-four dollars for the last Left 4 Dead, and I don't regret it one bit. I'll be damn glad to do it again, for the second one. I'm also pretty sure they mentioned the fact that they would still support the first one. I think they were tossing around the idea of putting the campaigns from the first game into this new one as well, but it's just a thought right now. I hope they do include the first four campaigns, because it'd be a pain in the butt to have to swap discs to play the ol' maps every time. Either way, I'm fine with it. Why should I complain when someone is giving me more of a good thing?
The updates and changes they're making seem decent enough to justify me paying full price at retail, again.
"@Roomrunner said:what the hell is shiva stacking????? "" After hearing about how many new things are in L4D 2, I've come around and can't wait for it now. I will pay full price for this game.I just played Dead Air vs today, and the map is so glitched out, it is just beyond repair. Valve is watching what people do online - Shiva stacking, abusing corners, Smoker insta kills, spamming melee. I can go on and on. They need to build a game from the ground up in order to address these problems properly."
The problem is that L4D was built for DLC longevity and we're not getting it. At all. Now there's a sequel a year after the original? From Valve?!? We're still hanging off a major cliffhanger from HL2:E2, and we get a sequel to L4D already? It's just kind of confusing.
I don't think anyone doubts the game will be fun, just not really necessary yet.
"The problem is that L4D was built for DLC longevity and we're not getting it. At all. Now there's a sequel a year after the original? From Valve?!? We're still hanging off a major cliffhanger from HL2:E2, and we get a sequel to L4D already? It's just kind of confusing.I don't think anyone doubts the game will be fun, just not really necessary yet. "
I cant say I am pretty happy with Valve's descision. I expected a lot more from Left 4 Dead one as the most recent update felt like it completed the game with adding the final 2 campaigns to the versus game. The only real update was a light house survival map, the rest of the survival maps were just copy and paste jobs.
I did expect much more from valve from the way they pitched it.
I don't want L4D2 already, give me god damn EPISODE 3!!!!! If they can pump this one out so quick why can't they get people working on half life...
I believe L4D2 will be a full price retail box. That said, consider this: might the popularity of Left 4 Dead on 360 have necessitated another full retail release? Microsoft has historically put the kibosh on free DLC. Also, the hard drive requirements of more than doubling the content of the original L4D would also be significant, no doubt. On PC, Valve (as in the case of TF2 (as others have noted)) might have at one time wanted to release additional campaigns, only to sideline those plans in favor of another $60 neon green box. This is not to slag on the 360 or Valve or L4D2 (which is day-one material to be sure), only to point to another possible reason for the hasty rollout of the L4D sequel.
I have no complaint with more L4D, its just that I paid full price for a game, that needed more content. This stuff could have been released as DLC.
" My largest disappointment with this announcement is that they just, and I mean just, came out with the first DLC for L4D on the 360. Why couldn't this have been an expansion or something? "
There will be more additions added to L4D 1. This was stated in an interview with Valve at E3 over at shacknews. There will even be a patch coming later this month, something to do with matchmaking.
Not just one more gameplay feature, we have new Special Infected, very new and different crescendo events, maps that will change their layout based on how good you are doing and a new multiplayer mode that with don't know yet.
And that's not all, trust me.
And come on, what makes you think they won't charge half for those that already own Left 4 Dead? That would be a KILLER DEAL! Heck, even $30 would be a killer deal. Plus they said they will continue support for Left 4 Dead with a new major update coming out probably before the end of the summer.
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