I never thought I'd say that.

Is anyone else getting sick of these constant updates that completely change the fucking game people love?

I'm playing L4D on PC, I get on today (like I always do because I was addicted to this game) and they've suddenly changed the game to where when you're a survivor, your melee attack has to RECHARGE.

...WHAT?!

What the fuck were they thinking? Why do they think they constantly have to "fix" things that nobody has a problem with in the first place? Same with Team Fortress 2. Every time I walk out as heavy or something in TF2 I get hit with like 30 fucking baseballs that stun me.

Why did they have to go and ruin something I loved so much? Why?

That constant support is part of the reason people love Valve.

I agree, I'm not saying updates are stupid. I'm saying a few specific ones are stupid.

I don't mean to be a whiny bitch but seriously, it makes me not even want to play their amazing game that I love.

what a minor thing to hate about a game .

They fixed the melee because it was being abused to high-fucking-heaven. People seriosuly abused that making it next to impossible for Hunters to get the jump half the time, and when you have to wait 20 seconds to respawn it became intolerable. Especially when most of the time you respawn as a Hunter, only to walk into the melee spamming survivors luling down their mics.

About bloody time they fixed that.

"They fixed the melee because it was being abused to high-fucking-heaven. People seriosuly abused that making it next to impossible for Hunters to get the jump half the time, and when you have to wait 20 seconds to respawn it became intolerable. Especially when most of the time you respawn as a Hunter, only to walk into the melee spamming survivors luling down their mics.About bloody time they fixed that."

It's called nerfing.  Always hate it when companies break something that was perfectly balanced (I think TF2 is an especially good example).  I would rather them boost Hunters a little than this, how long is the delay anyways?

"It's called nerfing.  Always hate it when companies break something that was perfectly balanced (I think TF2 is an especially good example).  I would rather them boost Hunters a little than this, how long is the delay anyways?"

The melee spam needed to be fixed, end of discussion. They nerfed flaming hunters a few weeks ago to balance out infected, and this is the survivor balance. There should be no surefire "shutdown" methods for dealing with other players on the opposite side in versus. The flaming hunter's damage needed to be reduced (though I don't agree it should've been reduced as much as it was) and the melee spam being anti hunter mode was complete bullshit. You now have to time your melees and conserve them, how dare they make the game more skill based.

Because melee spam was way too overpowered.

Well a good infected team can easily take down a bunch of melee spammers. Also, I can't wait to see how many people can beat Expert campaigns NOW.

Oh well, I don't really  mean "fuck valve" it just kind of pisses me off.  It's not that awful of an update but it just seems like something that never needed fixing. The game was already fairly balanced.

"Well a good infected team can easily take down a bunch of melee spammers. Also, I can't wait to see how many people can beat Expert campaigns NOW. Oh well, I don't really  mean "fuck valve" it just kind of pisses me off.  It's not that awful of an update but it just seems like something that never needed fixing. The game was already fairly balanced."

"GobiasIndustries said:

"Well a good infected team can easily take down a bunch of melee spammers. Also, I can't wait to see how many people can beat Expert campaigns NOW. Oh well, I don't really  mean "fuck valve" it just kind of pisses me off.  It's not that awful of an update but it just seems like something that never needed fixing. The game was already fairly balanced."

The patch notes clearly state the melee recharge is ONLY in Versus mode. Normal campaign mode has regular, spammable melee."

I don`t play TF2 because of the patches, I logged in and pyro's all had over powered flamethrowers and found out all classes were getting upgradable guns, which pissed me off.
I hope they don`t ruin L4D for me.

"I don`t play TF2 because of the patches, I logged in and pyro's all had over powered flamethrowers and found out all classes were getting upgradable guns, which pissed me off.I hope they don`t ruin L4D for me."

Is the cool down only in Versus?

To be fair, L4D isn't really by Valve. They picked up the studio working on it mid-development. I think.

"To be fair, L4D isn't really by Valve. They picked up the studio working on it mid-development. I think."

Yeh I don't like Steam much for the fact it forces updates and tbh I prefer the old days on CS where you could choose the version you wanted to play and I wish I could do the same because I much prefer the pre patch days of TF2, the game was perfect at launch but a few exploits and then they ruined it all with achievements and changes to classes.

"Bucketdeth said:

"I don`t play TF2 because of the patches, I logged in and pyro's all had over powered flamethrowers and found out all classes were getting upgradable guns, which pissed me off.I hope they don`t ruin L4D for me."

It is worse . Now the scouts have been given invunerability  "

"Yeh I don't like Steam much for the fact it forces updates and tbh I prefer the old days on CS where you could choose the version you wanted to play and I wish I could do the same because I much prefer the pre patch days of TF2, the game was perfect at launch but a few exploits and then they ruined it all with achievements and changes to classes. "

I love Valve.

I play the game on 360 which gets quartly updates if any - I think the one we just got a few weeks ago was the patch for the Smoker, I havent test it though.  I can guarentee it will make the game 100% different to play when it hits though, I'm kind of happy I have it for 360 now since I dont think I'd be able to handle the melee recharge.  Its the only thing at your disposal when you're surrounded by Zombies and low on ammo.  And yes, I'm talking about Versus.

"I never thought I'd say that.Is anyone else getting sick of these constant updates that completely change the fucking game people love?I'm playing L4D on PC, I get on today (like I always do because I was addicted to this game) and they've suddenly changed the game to where when you're a survivor, your melee attack has to RECHARGE....WHAT?!

"License_To_Bill said:

"To be fair, L4D isn't really by Valve. They picked up the studio working on it mid-development. I think."

Turtle Rock started development on L4D , but was bought by Valve early last year. But Valve had been highly involved with Turtle Rock for quite a while before that, as well."

"GobiasIndustries said:

"I never thought I'd say that.Is anyone else getting sick of these constant updates that completely change the fucking game people love?I'm playing L4D on PC, I get on today (like I always do because I was addicted to this game) and they've suddenly changed the game to where when you're a survivor, your melee attack has to RECHARGE....WHAT?!

Oh yes, there was absolutely no problem with a spammable melee attack, especially with the introduction of Versus mode. I mean, how could something so little unbalance the game, right?"

"atejas said:

"GobiasIndustries said:

"I never thought I'd say that.Is anyone else getting sick of these constant updates that completely change the fucking game people love?I'm playing L4D on PC, I get on today (like I always do because I was addicted to this game) and they've suddenly changed the game to where when you're a survivor, your melee attack has to RECHARGE....WHAT?!

Oh yes, there was absolutely no problem with a spammable melee attack, especially with the introduction of Versus mode. I mean, how could something so little unbalance the game, right?"

The melee never unbalanced the game. Versus mode has been fun as hell to play since the game came out, and nobody would be playing it if the Survivors had that much of an advantage."

Alright well I guess it just depends on different people. Apparently there was a response from people which is why they patched it. I'll get used to it, but I won't like it :]

haha, the new update is AWESOME.
People cant sit in teh corner and MELEE for 30mins straight without the character gettign tired.
Whats wrong with only being able to melee a bit instead of unlimited?
Your telling me you wouldnt get a little tired after shoving hundreds of zombeis around?

Gimme a break man, it takes MUCH more skill now on Left4Dead imo. The survivors have to do something othen then Melee 24-7! People have to shoot now!

Not disrespect mate, but people who dont like the new melee improvements need to practise and learn how to play without doing the melee all the time.

Valve made the change for a good reason.

"PapaLazarou said:

"Yeh I don't like Steam much for the fact it forces updates and tbh I prefer the old days on CS where you could choose the version you wanted to play and I wish I could do the same because I much prefer the pre patch days of TF2, the game was perfect at launch but a few exploits and then they ruined it all with achievements and changes to classes. "

You do realize you can turn off auto-update, correct? Steam doesn't force updates on you."

In my opinion the clip-cornering needs fixing as well, let the survivors' melee recharge be infinite while clipping into somebody else and we'll move a little closer towards having the game as it should be. You can't say "hey clearly this is how the game was intended" while spectating a bunch of survivors sitting in a corner clipping through each other spamming melee push in every single horde event largely immune to the danger.

A good infected team has its tactical options largely removed when survivors clip. Sure there are exploitable counters, such as jumping as a hunter, standing on their heads, and slapping down, but other than that you might as well just wait it out as infected despite the crescendos being a time where the survivors are supposed to be largley in danger. Instead it's a joke.

Ah thank god, the melee abuse was retarded, the only way to play as a hunter was to be in a VERY coordinated group, or the survivors had to flat out suck. 

In terms of balancing the multiplayer it was needed. It will make the single player harder though!

I haven't played Left 4 Dead recently enough to notice the update, but in versus it was such a pain in the ass to play as a hunter when someone would just corner camp and melee until you die. 

"In terms of balancing the multiplayer it was needed. It will make the single player harder though!"

"In my opinion the clip-cornering needs fixing as well, let the survivors' melee recharge be infinite while clipping into somebody else and we'll move a little closer towards having the game as it should be. You can't say "hey clearly this is how the game was intended" while spectating a bunch of survivors sitting in a corner clipping through each other spamming melee push in every single horde event largely immune to the danger.A good infected team has its tactical options largely removed when survivors clip. Sure there are exploitable counters, such as jumping as a hunter, standing on their heads, and slapping down, but other than that you might as well just wait it out as infected despite the crescendos being a time where the survivors are supposed to be largley in danger. Instead it's a joke."

They only change things to make them more blanced. They're constantly getting stats from the game and they can see where things are getting exploited, like the melee.

I don't think Valve would change things just to annoy people, they're obviously looking at what's going on and making changes based on that.

it's only in versus
valve has constantly been patching exploits in L4D
I play all the time and every time there are old exploits that no longer work
overall this is good for the enjoyment of all players
and if you want to play with no recharge in versus host your own server and change the settings

"I play the game on 360 which gets quartly updates if any - I think the one we just got a few weeks ago was the patch for the Smoker, I havent test it though.  I can guarentee it will make the game 100% different to play when it hits though, I'm kind of happy I have it for 360 now since I dont think I'd be able to handle the melee recharge.  Its the only thing at your disposal when you're surrounded by Zombies and low on ammo.  And yes, I'm talking about Versus."

"DivineCC said:

"Ouroboros said:

"I play the game on 360 which gets quartly updates if any - I think the one we just got a few weeks ago was the patch for the Smoker, I havent test it though.  I can guarentee it will make the game 100% different to play when it hits though, I'm kind of happy I have it for 360 now since I dont think I'd be able to handle the melee recharge.  Its the only thing at your disposal when you're surrounded by Zombies and low on ammo.  And yes, I'm talking about Versus."

Sorry to burst your bubble, but melee recharge is coming to the 360 with the DLC on the 21st."

The DLC is coming on the 21st?  SWEET!!!

I've been waiting for the melee spams and dumpster blocks to be taken away so I can play this game again.  The Versus mode is so fucking great...when you don't have people abusing stupid shit to fuck the game up.

"

I'm really glad this happened honestly. The very second I played L4D for the first time on Versus the night it came out last November, I said  to myself" Its gonna be funny when they eventually nerf the melee, all these piece of garbage players are gonna bitch and moan, and I'm just gonna laugh". Now its finally happened.

I don't got a problem with Valve, they've been making the game better. No more cheap shit goes on.

Constant melee made the game way too easy. This was a fix. Don't be hating.

It is a double edged sword, BTW how long did yo play with that update, I find that you have to give valve a lot more credit then it seems like you are giving. They are always making the game better and you have to trust that what ever they are doing is for the best of the game.   

it was a GREAT fix. melee was abused.

I really dislike the melee cool down, although I can adapt and haven't had a problem. To be honest, I didn't even know you could hold down the melee button lol... I've always just kept clicking my LT to melee.

lol@this topic.