Stragglers and how we hate them.

#1 Posted by Branthog (7340 posts) -

After playing with so many great communicative teams yesterday, I was looking forward to more tonight. Unfortunately, most people don't say a word. Even though they have a mic. That is nearly impossible to do in this game. You need constant communication or else you have too much trouble staying close together and rescuing each other. Aaagh.

Worse, however, is when you get on a team with one guy who just has to stay and kill every fucking last zombie. He doesn't care that you're supposed to gain distance. He's going to stand his ground and fight every last mother fucker he sees. And if he doesn't see any, he'll start looking through every single room for something.

Meanwhile, the other three have dashed down the hallway to the stairway and are ready to pwn the whole damn chapter before the horde even know what hit them.

Then you hear that someone is down... and realize the god damned idiot has moved ten feet in the whole time. Everyone runs back to the beginning to help him up. Of course, he's dead by then. Or in the process, one or more of YOU die.

The only thing worse is when the one guy has to rush a mile ahead of everyone else while the rest of you are being cautious and guarding each other.

Not quite as bad as either of those things is the idiot you has to attack the with EVERY fucking time. They take "lights off; witch ahead" as an invitation to start shooting the god damned bitch.

#2 Edited by Light_Geiger (54 posts) -

Amen brother, people need to curb the "lone wolf" syndrome in order to get anywhere in this game. IT'S COOPERATIVE FOR A REASON!!

Sorry for the yelling but, it frustrating when you can tell someone just got done playing Halo and tries to play this the same way. (complete with bunny hopping.....)

#3 Posted by Scooper (7882 posts) -

What's annoying to me on top of that is everyone tries to shoot every zombie! When there's 1 or 2 rushing towards me, I can perfectaly handle that, but the guy behind just HAS to try and shoot it aswell and do a fair amount of friendly fire in the process. It's just not needed.

#4 Posted by BoG (5180 posts) -

I hate it when someone doesn't talk, but there is nothing wrong with seraching every single room! I've saved my time plenty of times becuase I found a lone medkit or pipebomb hiding in an obscure corner.

#5 Posted by Hamz (6846 posts) -

I hate stragglers and they cause more problems for a team than someone rushing on ahead. Infact i've found in the Versus mode as survivors the best tactic is to all rush ahead together, shoot whatever gets infront of you and ignore the rest.

#6 Posted by BiggerBomb (6944 posts) -

Are you playing on the PC or Xbox 360? I wouldn't be surprised if people aren't talking on the PC, but the Xbox 360? That would be very disappointing!

#7 Posted by Rockanomics (1150 posts) -

I only play with people I know on a Ventrillo server, I can't imagine random peeps on your team.

And if somone's screwing with you that much just leave them 4 dead, they'll learn to keep up quick.

Although the bleed out does take foooorever some times.

#8 Posted by Lunarbunny (1025 posts) -

Funny thing is the dumbass that has to scare the witch every time is always some guy on the opposite team in Versus for me. At least if you listen to commentary they mention that originally the witch would attack everybody until she died but now she just attacks the person that startles her.

#9 Posted by pause422 (6169 posts) -
BiggerBomb said:
"Are you playing on the PC or Xbox 360? I wouldn't be surprised if people aren't talking on the PC, but the Xbox 360? That would be very disappointing!"
9/10 times everyone in the game on PC has a mic as well.....honestly I rarely notice people that don't have mics at all, they either are just choosing to not talk for some reason but listening, or talking. Almost all of valves games I've played online on PC people are very good with mics.
#10 Posted by ChromaticPanther (66 posts) -

There are lots of people on Live that don't use their mics... I don't understand why they don't. Did they discard their mic when they bought there XBox? Perhaps thinking it was just some random extra cords that they didn't understand? I mean there is no good reason to be completely silent the whole game. Especially when the mic-less people are one of the stragglers, that pretty much means an unsuccessful campaign right there.

#11 Posted by jakob187 (21640 posts) -

Ugh, stragglers.  I know that a lot of them are guys that are new to the game, but seriously, if they haven't rolled through the campaign a few times, then that's just stupid on their part.

#12 Posted by sheisty_shogun (256 posts) -
ChromaticPanther said:
"There are lots of people on Live that don't use their mics... I don't understand why they don't. Did they discard their mic when they bought there XBox? Perhaps thinking it was just some random extra cords that they didn't understand? I mean there is no good reason to be completely silent the whole game. Especially when the mic-less people are one of the stragglers, that pretty much means an unsuccessful campaign right there."
Yeah, I have L4D on the 360 (considering getting PC version also) and I'll leave a game if not enough people have mics.  Communication and teamwork is what makes this game so much fun. If I get placed on a team of non-communicating bastards that think they can run through the map by themselves, I ditch their asses.
#13 Posted by HTTenrai (241 posts) -
Hamz said:
"I hate stragglers and they cause more problems for a team than someone rushing on ahead. Infact i've found in the Versus mode as survivors the best tactic is to all rush ahead together, shoot whatever gets infront of you and ignore the rest."
I can rationalize running ahead a little because if we're close to the exit, doing so A: might net us some survival points to help edge out the competition, and B: might encourage the other players to hurry the hell up, but I won't do it unless I have a clear line to the exit. It has worked a couple times...though it should be said, runners are my favorite victims when I'm Infected. Nothing like tasty, tasty double-standards, eh?

Honestly, I just want competent teammates, win or lose. I rarely get my wish, and it disappoints me.
#14 Posted by Out_On_Bail (1545 posts) -

i think it has something to do with the fact that some people are not ready to play on expert.   They think they are ready for it, but quickly bail out when shit hits the fan.  Hopefully people will realize that staying in a group  close together, is not optional.  Backtracking is forbidden, especially for more ammo.   I love it when someone runs back 100 yards across the street, up the stairs and in the room, for 40 bullets that are in another room where we were headed.  

All the same, I love this game.  Look forward to playing some later this evening after classes.

#15 Posted by BoG (5180 posts) -
BiggerBomb said:
"Are you playing on the PC or Xbox 360? I wouldn't be surprised if people aren't talking on the PC, but the Xbox 360? That would be very disappointing!"
I've been blown away by how few people talk in L4D on the 360. I swear, every other game people talk too much, in L4D, they don't talk enough.
#16 Posted by HTTenrai (241 posts) -
BoG said:
"BiggerBomb said:
"Are you playing on the PC or Xbox 360? I wouldn't be surprised if people aren't talking on the PC, but the Xbox 360? That would be very disappointing!"
I've been blown away by how few people talk in L4D on the 360. I swear, every other game people talk too much, in L4D, they don't talk enough."
Yeah, I'm just as stumped. That's why I usually assemble a team myself, though this notion COULD carry over to every other person out there playing.
#17 Posted by Prime20 (168 posts) -
jakob187 said:
"Ugh, stragglers.  I know that a lot of them are guys that are new to the game, but seriously, if they haven't rolled through the campaign a few times, then that's just stupid on their part."
Maybe they did roll through ti they just dont get that your supposed to keep moving. Ive played with people who have all the achievements for finishing campaigns but they still want to hold up in some office and try to fight everything off, only to get downed by a hunter while we're miles away.

The only thing worse than stragglers are the guys that wont heal you. I'll be standing there on my last leg in the red bleeding out and the dude next to me will be 98 and green and wont heal me for shit. Then complains when i g oaround a corner and a horde of zombies tears me apart.
#18 Posted by BiggerBomb (6944 posts) -
HTTenrai said:
"BoG said:
"BiggerBomb said:
"Are you playing on the PC or Xbox 360? I wouldn't be surprised if people aren't talking on the PC, but the Xbox 360? That would be very disappointing!"
I've been blown away by how few people talk in L4D on the 360. I swear, every other game people talk too much, in L4D, they don't talk enough."
Yeah, I'm just as stumped. That's why I usually assemble a team myself, though this notion COULD carry over to every other person out there playing."

Well that's rather disappointing!
#19 Posted by MagusMaleficus (1033 posts) -

If I get stuck with quiet folks, I'll try to stick by them if they're doing well enough, but the minute they fuck up and continue to be silent, I ditch 'em. I've got better things to do with what little free time I have.

#20 Posted by Captain_Fookup (1519 posts) -

Whenever I host I wait till the game is full of friends and acquaintances. If and when there is room for a random and any join without a mic they get the boot simple as that no questions asked.

#21 Posted by cosmothehound (13 posts) -

no rushing is the worst. our team kills all zombies. and we let the supers respawn. because were so close we will take out a super without having any damage done to us.

something that is even. worse is people who hold down LT the whole time to punch hunters all the time. its so frustrating as a hunter to get punched randomly when the dont even see you.

#22 Posted by Ichi (59 posts) -

I was in a few rounds of L4D on 360 where people didn't talk but the majority of the games are full of talkers.  What I hate is when people whine that people aren't talking ALL THE TIME.  WTF, I just said something a minute ago, why do I have to keep talking when there's nothing to say.  There's been like 3 different times where some guy was saying 'why isn't anyone / aren't you talking?'  SHUT UP!

#23 Posted by trav3ler (168 posts) -

Stragglers are the reason I only play expert with people on my friends list.

#24 Posted by MagusMaleficus (1033 posts) -
Ichi said:
"I was in a few rounds of L4D on 360 where people didn't talk but the majority of the games are full of talkers.  What I hate is when people whine that people aren't talking ALL THE TIME.  WTF, I just said something a minute ago, why do I have to keep talking when there's nothing to say.  There's been like 3 different times where some guy was saying 'why isn't anyone / aren't you talking?'  SHUT UP!"
I have to agree. I want my teammates to communicate, but too much chatting ruins the atmosphere of the game.
#25 Posted by Branthog (7340 posts) -
jakob187 said:
"Ugh, stragglers.  I know that a lot of them are guys that are new to the game, but seriously, if they haven't rolled through the campaign a few times, then that's just stupid on their part."

I considered they might be new, too - but then discarded that as a viable excuse. The campaign is short enough that you should have played through it before playing online. Regardless, if you are unfamiliar with the map - that is all the more reason to STAY WITH THE GROUP and not lag behind. Stick with the group for a couple maps and you'll figure your way around. Be a straggler and you'll never figure it out, because you'll be killed before you get a chance to fit it all into your head.

Rushing as a team (instead of inching along as a team) as someone else mentioned is really the way to go, but it's all for naught if you rush onward only to turn around and find that half of your team (or just one guy) is all the way back at the beginning and is now getting the life choked out of him, because he couldn't bother to move.

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