Lighting Returns is part Dark Souls part Majora's Mask

#1 Posted by Demoskinos (15188 posts) -

According to this which was brought to my attention by @hailinel on twitter Lightning Returns both Dark Souls are Majora's Mask were both names evoked describing the systems surrounding Lightining Returns and how the 13 days mechanic works.

Kitase went into further detail when he was quoted in saying that, “If I were to describe the gameplay, I would say there are some elements with the severity ofDark Souls…” This along with the 13-days-to-complete-the-game mechanic really causes you to think more about your actions, and whether you want to buy certain items or not. Kitase and Toriyama also confirmed that the maximum amount of days you can get to complete the game is 13 days and this is only achievable by completing all of the missions. This is sure to increase the amount of pressure players will have to complete the game as quickly, efficiently, and wholly as possible. This will also add more replay ability as Square Enix stated that Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII has been built for multiple playthroughs. On different days, different events will occur, each NPC will follow individual schedules, and interactions will change day-by-day similar to the Nintendo 64 classic, The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask. - SOURCE

Sounds really really cool. A smaller experience designed around replaying it over and over sound like something that is super appealing to me. I should really play through XIII again and try to finish up my Platinum trophy. This news excite anyone else? Between this and dress spheres I'm practically drooling with excitement here.

#2 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

Knowing @hailinel's opinion of FF10-2, he must be absolutely pleased at this revelation.

#3 Posted by TheHT (11840 posts) -

So it's only the "severity" that's the Dark Souls part? Bummer. If it actually played like Dark Souls I'd consider giving it a shot, despite my disinterest in FF13 and Lightning.

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#4 Posted by stubbleman (292 posts) -

I'm just shocked at how much better they've managed to make this game look than the last two. Granted that frame rate isn't exactly what I would call ideal at the moment, and hopefully that gets sorted out. But either way, February cannot come fast enough. After seeing the E3 demo footage making the rounds I am completely sold.

The way people talk, it doesn't sound like many people are even remotely into what these three games have been doing, but it could not be more up my alley. All they need to do is introduce some sort of parry mechanic with that block move that automatically puts enemies in stagger mode and it will be my game of the forever.

Anyway, with the whole Dark Souls thing, they show how you can cut off monsters tails in the boss battles in the last trailer. So that's definitely reminiscent of Dark Souls. I wonder if you get special weapon drops for doing that as well.

#5 Edited by FancySoapsMan (5818 posts) -

I can't wait.

I've had a ton of fun with both FF XIII and FFXIII-2, even with all their flaws.

#6 Edited by believer258 (12216 posts) -

I actually just got a hold of FFXIII for cheap and liked what I played (~2 hours, not enough to really come up with a good opinion but a good first impression), despite some of the backlash that game got, so I might be more interested in this if FFXIII holds my attention well.

#7 Posted by Demoskinos (15188 posts) -

@stubbleman: I hope so man. The frame rate for FFXIII-2 floundered all over the place getting down to the low twenties in the worst spots. Love that game to death but man the frame rate was hot garbage.

#8 Edited by Morningstar (2242 posts) -

Yeah right!!!

#9 Edited by stubbleman (292 posts) -

@demoskinos: XIII-2 was my first Platinum trophy actually. I become completely smitten by that game, and the frame rate was one of the few niggling complaints I had. I guess it makes sense, given the fact that they put the game out in what, eight? nine months? It had a crazy short turn around for sure.

I never understood why they didn't patch in the ability to install your game on the PS3 though. I don't know if it would have fixed the frame rate, but it could have helped. But anyway, hopefully they have enough time to get that sorted out this time around.

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#11 Posted by TruthTellah (9491 posts) -

I'm extremely skeptical of their high talk about the game, but they are certainly saying things which draw my interest more in their direction.

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#12 Posted by Turtlebird95 (2621 posts) -

So you die a lot and it has an awful save system?

Kidding! Sounds pretty cool actually.

#13 Posted by Hailinel (25205 posts) -

Knowing @hailinel's opinion of FF10-2, he must be absolutely pleased at this revelation.

I hate X-2, but XIII-2 is a fantastic game and I'm really looking forward to Lightning Returns.

#14 Posted by ThePickle (4170 posts) -

FF + Majora's Mask + Dark Souls

Sounds like Jeff's GOTY.

#15 Posted by impartialgecko (1689 posts) -

But it's also Final Fantasy, which is a bummer.

#16 Posted by Demoskinos (15188 posts) -
#17 Edited by liquiddragon (280 posts) -

after the underwhelming ff13, I couldn't believe how legit 13-2 was. so i'm actually looking forward to lighting returns. i won't pick it up for full price but i will definitely get around to playing it.

#18 Posted by Hailinel (25205 posts) -

FF + Majora's Mask + Dark Souls

Sounds like Jeff's GOTY.

Sounds accurate.

#19 Posted by Animasta (14731 posts) -

I am so excited about this game. That this game can exist is so crazy that it can only be the third sequel of a numbered final fantasy game

#20 Posted by ArbitraryWater (12138 posts) -

Knowing @hailinel's opinion of FF10-2, he must be absolutely pleased at this revelation.

You've clearly mixed things up, I'm the one who thinks X-2 is art.

#21 Posted by Hunter5024 (5982 posts) -

Everything they're saying about the way this game plays sounds pretty cool (aside from the battle system, which I'm not so sold on.) I only hope they manage to tell a better story than they have in a while. I found the narrative of 13-2 bewildering up until the last couple hours, and I don't think you should have to wait 20 hours for a story to get cool.

#22 Edited by Animasta (14731 posts) -

Everything they're saying about the way this game plays sounds pretty cool (aside from the battle system, which I'm not so sold on.) I only hope they manage to tell a better story than they have in a while. I found the narrative of 13-2 bewildering up until the last couple hours, and I don't think you should have to wait 20 hours for a story to get cool.

Oh I dunno, teh story clearly kicked off at Academia 400 AF (which was roughly halfway through the game probably?)

and i dunno, a story about time travel kinda should be bewildering at some point.

#23 Posted by Flappy (2360 posts) -

This game can't suck, right? I mean, XIII-2 was better than XIII, so the trend absolutely has to continue.

Like I said before, I really hope Square Enix can pull this one off; They need all the good vibes as they continue to work on FFXV, y'know?

#24 Posted by StarvingGamer (8560 posts) -

If you aren't looking at it carefully, that box art makes Lightning's torso look super long and skinny.

#25 Posted by Darji (5293 posts) -

Majora's Mask? Oh man And I wanted to buy that game.... I am totally fine with dark souls but Majora's Mask? No thank you.

#26 Posted by mwng (956 posts) -

I tried to put my thoughts into a picture, but failed, miserably. Still looking forward to it though.

#27 Posted by KennyLoh1991 (19 posts) -

Don't forget, it also parts of Assasin Creed and dressing game.

#28 Posted by Nictel (2443 posts) -

This will either be really good or really bad..

#29 Posted by Humanity (10145 posts) -

I see a lot of people praising XIII-2 around here. As a person that enjoyed the combat of XIII and the entire game in general mainly for its large departure from standard FF fiction, would you guys recommend XIII-2?

I saw the QuickLook a while back and gameplay and it seemed very FinalFantasy as in kinda silly and extremely Japanese. Is it a worthwhile trip or is this for diehard fans only?

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#30 Posted by xyzygy (10079 posts) -

On top of that, I've been reading some really amazing things about the battle system from E3. Like, really amazing things.

#31 Posted by TruthTellah (9491 posts) -

@humanity said:

I see a lot of people praising XIII-2 around here. As a person that enjoyed the combat of XIII and the entire game in general mainly for its large departure from standard FF fiction, would you guys recommend XIII-2?

I saw the QuickLook a while back and gameplay and it seemed very FinalFantasy as in kinda silly and extremely Japanese. Is it a worthwhile trip or is this for diehard fans only?

If you liked FFXIII, I see no reason why you wouldn't enjoy FFXIII-2. If you didn't like FFXIII, there's a chance you'll appreciate FFXIII-2 a bit more. Though, it sounds like you liked it, which means you are quite likely to enjoy FFXIII-2 as well. It should be pretty cheap now; so, why not?

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#32 Posted by TechnoSyndrome (962 posts) -

@adam1808 said:

But it's also Final Fantasy, which is a bummer.

#33 Posted by Flappy (2360 posts) -

@humanity said:

I see a lot of people praising XIII-2 around here. As a person that enjoyed the combat of XIII and the entire game in general mainly for its large departure from standard FF fiction, would you guys recommend XIII-2?

I saw the QuickLook a while back and gameplay and it seemed very FinalFantasy as in kinda silly and extremely Japanese. Is it a worthwhile trip or is this for diehard fans only?

If you liked XIII and have no issues with Serah, then go for it. XII-2 improves on XIII in just about every way. Just, uh, don't think too hard about the story. It's a wee bit on the crazy side of things.

#34 Posted by Morrow (1823 posts) -

That's actually a little off-putting to me. I like to explore and take my time, grind out my character... not rush from one task to another, if I want stress I can just turn my console off and live my real life ;D

#35 Posted by Zomgfruitbunnies (889 posts) -

So, do Hope and Lightning finally make babies in this one?

Please, please, please, please, please?

#36 Posted by EuanDewar (5107 posts) -

Still waiting on X-2-2

#37 Edited by Demoskinos (15188 posts) -
#38 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -
#39 Edited by Hailinel (25205 posts) -
#40 Posted by Bobstar (322 posts) -

Do these games have an interesting story?

#41 Posted by Veektarius (5033 posts) -

@flappy said:

@humanity said:

I see a lot of people praising XIII-2 around here. As a person that enjoyed the combat of XIII and the entire game in general mainly for its large departure from standard FF fiction, would you guys recommend XIII-2?

I saw the QuickLook a while back and gameplay and it seemed very FinalFantasy as in kinda silly and extremely Japanese. Is it a worthwhile trip or is this for diehard fans only?

If you liked XIII and have no issues with Serah, then go for it. XII-2 improves on XIII in just about every way. Just, uh, don't think too hard about the story. It's a wee bit on the crazy side of things.

What if I kinda liked FFXIII but loathed Serah? That's why I didn't buy XIII-2 in the first place.

#42 Posted by natetodamax (19220 posts) -

The narrative should've stopped at XIII because XIII-2 had a pretty bad story I thought. I don't know. Maybe this game will be cool, but narratively everything after XIII's fantastic ending does not interest me one bit.

#43 Posted by Animasta (14731 posts) -

@flappy said:

@humanity said:

I see a lot of people praising XIII-2 around here. As a person that enjoyed the combat of XIII and the entire game in general mainly for its large departure from standard FF fiction, would you guys recommend XIII-2?

I saw the QuickLook a while back and gameplay and it seemed very FinalFantasy as in kinda silly and extremely Japanese. Is it a worthwhile trip or is this for diehard fans only?

If you liked XIII and have no issues with Serah, then go for it. XII-2 improves on XIII in just about every way. Just, uh, don't think too hard about the story. It's a wee bit on the crazy side of things.

What if I kinda liked FFXIII but loathed Serah? That's why I didn't buy XIII-2 in the first place.

She got better in 13-2.

Literally because she has things to do unlike 13, but she's definitely better.

#44 Posted by Humanity (10145 posts) -

@humanity said:

I see a lot of people praising XIII-2 around here. As a person that enjoyed the combat of XIII and the entire game in general mainly for its large departure from standard FF fiction, would you guys recommend XIII-2?

I saw the QuickLook a while back and gameplay and it seemed very FinalFantasy as in kinda silly and extremely Japanese. Is it a worthwhile trip or is this for diehard fans only?

If you liked FFXIII, I see no reason why you wouldn't enjoy FFXIII-2. If you didn't like FFXIII, there's a chance you'll appreciate FFXIII-2 a bit more. Though, it sounds like you liked it, which means you are quite likely to enjoy FFXIII-2 as well. It should be pretty cheap now; so, why not?

I don't know how to adequately phrase it but to put it simply the game looked kinda "dumb" - like the weird JROCK music in the battle scenes. I dunno. I appreciated the semi serious tone and world that XIII tried to portray. XIII-2 looks like it's going back to "silly" Final Fantasy.

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#45 Posted by Hailinel (25205 posts) -

@humanity said:

@truthtellah said:

@humanity said:

I see a lot of people praising XIII-2 around here. As a person that enjoyed the combat of XIII and the entire game in general mainly for its large departure from standard FF fiction, would you guys recommend XIII-2?

I saw the QuickLook a while back and gameplay and it seemed very FinalFantasy as in kinda silly and extremely Japanese. Is it a worthwhile trip or is this for diehard fans only?

If you liked FFXIII, I see no reason why you wouldn't enjoy FFXIII-2. If you didn't like FFXIII, there's a chance you'll appreciate FFXIII-2 a bit more. Though, it sounds like you liked it, which means you are quite likely to enjoy FFXIII-2 as well. It should be pretty cheap now; so, why not?

I don't know how to adequately phrase it but to put it simply the game looked kinda "dumb" - like the weird JROCK music in the battle scenes. I dunno. I appreciated the semi serious tone and world that XIII tried to portray. XIII-2 looks like it's going back to "silly" Final Fantasy.

For what humor it has, the game is actually quite dark.

#46 Posted by Animasta (14731 posts) -

@humanity said:

@truthtellah said:

@humanity said:

I see a lot of people praising XIII-2 around here. As a person that enjoyed the combat of XIII and the entire game in general mainly for its large departure from standard FF fiction, would you guys recommend XIII-2?

I saw the QuickLook a while back and gameplay and it seemed very FinalFantasy as in kinda silly and extremely Japanese. Is it a worthwhile trip or is this for diehard fans only?

If you liked FFXIII, I see no reason why you wouldn't enjoy FFXIII-2. If you didn't like FFXIII, there's a chance you'll appreciate FFXIII-2 a bit more. Though, it sounds like you liked it, which means you are quite likely to enjoy FFXIII-2 as well. It should be pretty cheap now; so, why not?

I don't know how to adequately phrase it but to put it simply the game looked kinda "dumb" - like the weird JROCK music in the battle scenes. I dunno. I appreciated the semi serious tone and world that XIII tried to portray. XIII-2 looks like it's going back to "silly" Final Fantasy.

There's a difference between introducing levity and being silly.

13-2 is super dark. and yes is also kinda dumb, but that makes it endearing but the dumb shit fades away by the end (though to be fair, it goes for dumb to crazy).

#47 Posted by Slag (4912 posts) -

The more I hear about this game, the more interested I get.

This game could be completely nuts!

#48 Posted by AlmightyBoob (88 posts) -

Not at all into that mechanic. Hated it in Majora's Mask, hated it in Dead Rising :/

#49 Edited by EXTomar (4951 posts) -

If FF13 had issues, one of them wasn't "be more like Dark Souls".

ps. I didn't see frame rate issues in FF13-2 but was more annoyed by load times. When you get to the stage where you are world/time line hopping for specific things you spent a lot of looking at that "portal swirl".

#50 Posted by Superkenon (1507 posts) -

Still need to give FF13-2 a try. FF13 was deeply flawed, but it had its good sides.

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