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    Lionhead Studios was a British developer studio founded by industry legend Peter Molyneux. They focus on innovation in God games, management simulators and RPGs. Their first title was released in 2001, called Black & White. The company was formed with people from Bullfrog Productions.

    Lionhead's New Games: Not One but TWO

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    #1  Edited By SmugDarkLoser

    This is a leak I believe.  Here they are.  Both due out this year.  Remember me saying that MS had tricks up their sleeves and how they always deliver a better year than they promise?

    Pretty damn different from what Lionhead's been doing and has done? eh.  This goes with what Peter M said he was doing- a game based on a simple idea (more of a what if i take it)


    Justice-- you play as a criminal on the loose. 





    Survivor- you and a group are the sole survivors after the, i guess, apocolypse.






    More images for each game
    http://www.leadinglightdesign.com/projects_justice.php
    http://www.leadinglightdesign.com/projects_survivors.php

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    #2  Edited By Arkthemaniac

    Are those the same game?

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    #3  Edited By SmugDarkLoser

    Hmm... someone can't read.  No, they aren't
    Again, one is about a criminal on the loose and the others about survivors from a war. 

    Pretty neat eh? I think I'm the first to realize this.  It's on Leading Light's art thing.  They say they're working on the art for lionhead (they also did the art for killzone).  If you search it up you can get more info.
    So umm... can you post this and I get a mention jeff? lulz, I kid.

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    #4  Edited By TomA

    Sweet,looks kool.

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    #5  Edited By Arkthemaniac

    I said it because . . . they both look exactly the same through concept art. I can read.

    I can't help but feel as though this Survivor game kinda ripped off Fragile: Farewell Ruins of the Moon.
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    #6  Edited By SmugDarkLoser

    how?  only similarity I can see is the flashlight, lulz.
    It'a definately heavily influenced by something though.  The motorcycles into boats really reminds me of somethign. 

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    #7  Edited By ZombiePie

    It will take a year or so before we see any significant details about these game, but I'll keep these games on my radar. However it should be noted that Lionhead 'pitches' games that eventually never become realities a lot (i.e B.C., Unity). Also where's the long forgotten Dimitri Project, Peter Molyneux has been adament that the project hasn't been cancelled?

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    #8  Edited By TheFreeMan

    Justice's premise sounds interesting.

    Survivor's does not :l

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    #9  Edited By Arkthemaniac
    SmugDarkLoser said:
    "how?  only similarity I can see is the flashlight, lulz.
    It'a definately heavily influenced by something though.  The motorcycles into boats really reminds me of somethign. "
    The concept of surviving apocalypse in a city and looking for survivors coincidentally coming after Fragile is just downright fishy to me.
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    #10  Edited By SmugDarkLoser
    ZombiePie said:
    "It will take a year or so before we see any significant details about these game, but I'll keep these games on my radar. However it should be noted that Lionhead 'pitches' games that eventually never become realities a lot (i.e B.C., Unity). Also where's the long forgotten Dimitri Project, Peter Molyneux has been adament that the project hasn't been cancelled?"

    Well you can't forget the cirumstances.  BC was cancelled because the xbox was pretty much over and the game just sucked basically.
    As for unity, well, I never heard of that, lulz.  Anyway, don't forget-->  they did put out fable since then and thereby increasing MS's faith in them.

    Something tells me one of these could be the project dimitri, you know.
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    #11  Edited By SmugDarkLoser
    Arkthemaniac said:
    "SmugDarkLoser said:
    "how?  only similarity I can see is the flashlight, lulz.
    It'a definately heavily influenced by something though.  The motorcycles into boats really reminds me of somethign. "
    The concept of surviving apocalypse in a city and looking for survivors coincidentally coming after Fragile is just downright fishy to me."
    who's saying that that's what it's about?
    Judging off this, I'd say it's more about a post apocalyptic world where there are trying to rebuild but they're also gangs and stuff like that.

    It's no more ripping off that than it is fallout.

    here's some more images, it's from the link I gave, but still
    (survivors)





    Justice




    Here's some Fable 2 stuff.  It's all by the same guys, so it should be a decent reference.

    (cemetary)

    (spire)

    So based off this, it gives the basic ideas and some places (although some weren't in the game) but it shouldn't be held to every detail. 
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    #12  Edited By ZombiePie
    SmugDarkLoser said:
    "ZombiePie said:
    "It will take a year or so before we see any significant details about these game, but I'll keep these games on my radar. However it should be noted that Lionhead 'pitches' games that eventually never become realities a lot (i.e B.C., Unity). Also where's the long forgotten Dimitri Project, Peter Molyneux has been adament that the project hasn't been cancelled?"

    Well you can't forget the cirumstances.  BC was cancelled because the xbox was pretty much over and the game just sucked basically.
    As for unity, well, I never heard of that, lulz.  Anyway, don't forget-->  they did put out fable since then and thereby increasing MS's faith in them.

    Something tells me one of these could be the project dimitri, you know."

    Unity ws going to be a game by Jeff Minter (Space Giraffe, Tempest 2000), with the Lionhead staff using the Neon synthesizer, the xbox 360 default music visualiser. Anyways I think your right about Dimitri, I think the ideas of the project are beeing dispersed into other games, maybe even Fable 2.
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    #13  Edited By Captain_Fookup

    For once you actually posted something worth reading, good job DarkSmugLoser.

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    #14  Edited By SmugDarkLoser

    ^ well then, we should have expected that to be cancelled.  That sounds horrible. 

    Was there anything specific on dimitri?  Because I can't see why it couldn't be one of these, or both really.
    All I know is that it was about changing your past to fix the present which really could be what justice is, not so much survivor though.'

    I'd imagine that Survivor is Project X.

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    #15  Edited By SmugDarkLoser
    Captain_Fookup said:
    "For once you actually posted something worth reading, good job DarkSmugLoser."
    really?  At least I'm wasting your time by reading THIS post.  ANYWAY, do you think that by writing in caps lock you read a word more slowly
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    #16  Edited By Diamond

    They really do seem like they could be one game.

    Justice Survivor : You play a criminal on the loose in the future during the apocalypse.

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    #17  Edited By shadows_kill

    did anyone notice the jet is air force 1... OBAMA AS PLAYABLE CHARACTER

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    #18  Edited By Dalai

    Survivors looks kind of like I Am Alive set in New York... could be awesome.

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    #19  Edited By jakob187

    Wait, so they are basically making Kane & Lynch and I Am Alive?

    Meh, I'll pass.
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    #20  Edited By SmugDarkLoser

    wow jakob, just wow.
    these are two games that both, if properly executed, could both be AAA titles.  Now obviously, I don't want to get ahead of myself based on concept art, but if executed properly

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    #21  Edited By DuhQbnSiLo

    they sound and look like the same game

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    #22  Edited By shadows_kill
    SmugDarkLoser said:
    "wow jakob, just wow.
    these are two games that both, if properly executed, could both be AAA titles.  Now obviously, I don't want to get ahead of myself based on concept art, but if executed properly"
    or they could both be horrible..
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    #23  Edited By SmugDarkLoser

    couldn't anygame?

    But considering the idea and the studio, I say it's something to look forward to.

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    #24  Edited By shadows_kill
    SmugDarkLoser said:
    "

    couldn't anygame?

    But considering the idea and the studio, I say it's something to look forward to.

    "
    what other games have they made?

    and not every game could be horrible. some are made horrible *looks at haze and too human*
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    #25  Edited By Captain_Fookup
    SmugDarkLoser said:
    "

    couldn't anygame?

    But considering the idea and the studio, I say it's something to look forward to.

    "
    Except for the Halo series right? Bungie could never mess that up.
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    #26  Edited By zityz

    In Justice, can I play as Harrison Ford on the loose from the cops, as a wrongfully conviced fellon trying to clear my name by being on the run and finding the real killer?

    Cause if not, then well....shoot.

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    #27  Edited By jakob187
    SmugDarkLoser said:
    "wow jakob, just wow.
    these are two games that both, if properly executed, could both be AAA titles.  Now obviously, I don't want to get ahead of myself based on concept art, but if executed properly"
    Well, I think a monkey could shit in your hand and it would be executed properly compared to Kane & Lynch.  =  /  Nonetheless, I don't judge a game based on concept art.  I mean, look at Chakan The Forever Man.  Concept and box art was sweet back in the day, but the actual game was a travesty.  =  /
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    #28  Edited By Discorsi

    stupid generic names are lame...

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    #29  Edited By zityz
    jakob187 said:
    "SmugDarkLoser said:
    "wow jakob, just wow.
    these are two games that both, if properly executed, could both be AAA titles.  Now obviously, I don't want to get ahead of myself based on concept art, but if executed properly"
    Well, I think a monkey could shit in your hand and it would be executed properly compared to Kane & Lynch.  =  /  Nonetheless, I don't judge a game based on concept art.  I mean, look at Chakan The Forever Man.  Concept and box art was sweet back in the day, but the actual game was a travesty.  =  /"

    Ugh, thanks a lot for reminding me of that stupid game *Shakes fist at Chaken*
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    #30  Edited By jakob187
    shadows_kill said:
    "what other games have they made?"
    Lionhead has made the Fable and Black & White franchises.  

    However...they also made The Movies.  =  /
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    #31  Edited By shadows_kill
    jakob187 said:
    "shadows_kill said:
    "what other games have they made?"
    Lionhead has a pretty prestigious list of games under their belt, the most notable being the Fable and Black & White franchises.
    However...they also made The Movies.  =  /
    "
    thats how i know there name.. and i have heard of black and white is it good?
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    #32  Edited By tekmojo

    I don't know...

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    #33  Edited By jakob187
    shadows_kill said:
    "thats how i know there name.. and i have heard of black and white is it good?"
    I changed my original comment, as upon further investigation, I found out that Lionhead has ONLY made the Fable franchise, Black & White franchise, and The Movies.

    Black & White was alright for being a god game (which is a genre that I'm not particularly fond of anyways).  Unfortunately, it had tons of micro-managing that just didn't work out too well when compared to something like Civilization or Age of Empires.  Granted, very different genres (god games vs. TBS/RTS games)...but still...

    Plus, people wouldn't drown when you threw them in the water.  They also wouldn't stop fucking...even when you told them to...and punished the hell out of them...and sacrificed them to yourself.
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    #34  Edited By destro

    Whats with all the survival type games. Ubisoft still has one coming out to "I Am Alive". Now we hear from these games and one obviously is a survival game and the other looks to have survival aspects. I'm not complaining because those types of games are fun but still, so much at once.

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    #36  Edited By shadows_kill

    i would rather get that demigod or something like that when it comes out :P they sound to be good. are they owned by microsoft or they just make games for them?

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    #37  Edited By jakob187
    shadows_kill said:
    "i would rather get that demigod or something like that when it comes out :P they sound to be good. are they owned by microsoft or they just make games for them?"
    Kind of a Microsoft exclusive style company...as far as I know.  I can't say that I've really ENJOYED any of the games they've made.
    Hated the first Fable
    Thought they fixed a lot of issues to make Fable II, but didn't get the emotional attachment I was supposed to
    Black & White 1 was alright, the expansion made it more tolerable
    Black & White 2 was ass
    The Movies should be buried with E.T. for Atari
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    #38  Edited By shadows_kill

    no no i think they should play ET on atari to take notes on how to improve there movies :P

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    #39  Edited By jakob187

    Also, Smug...who the fuck cares what Peter Moore says?  HE'S AT EA NOW!!!  Dood can choke on Madden's light pen for all I care.

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    #40  Edited By shadows_kill
    jakob187 said:
    "Also, Smug...who the fuck cares what Peter Moore says?  HE'S AT EA NOW!!!  Dood can choke on Madden's light pen for all I care."
    2,500th post congrats :P
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    #41  Edited By jakob187
    shadows_kill said:
    "jakob187 said:
    "Also, Smug...who the fuck cares what Peter Moore says?  HE'S AT EA NOW!!!  Dood can choke on Madden's light pen for all I care."
    2,500th post congrats :P"
    LULZ  I didn't even notice.  That was a pretty sweet post for 2,500!  lol
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    #42  Edited By shadows_kill
    jakob187 said:
    "shadows_kill said:
    "jakob187 said:
    "Also, Smug...who the fuck cares what Peter Moore says?  HE'S AT EA NOW!!!  Dood can choke on Madden's light pen for all I care."
    2,500th post congrats :P"
    LULZ  I didn't even notice.  That was a pretty sweet post for 2,500!  lol"
    dont get your hopes up mine will be better :P
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    #43  Edited By Jayge_

    Both sound interesting, to say the least.

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    #44  Edited By Karmum

    They look interesting, hopefully they aren't as underwhelming as Fable II.

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    #45  Edited By SmugDarkLoser
    shadows_kill said:
    "SmugDarkLoser said:
    "

    couldn't anygame?

    But considering the idea and the studio, I say it's something to look forward to.

    "
    what other games have they made?

    and not every game could be horrible. some are made horrible *looks at haze and too human*"
    You honestly don't know what they've made?  Fable, Black and White, Movies (meh), Populous, Dungeon Keeper, Theme Park Sim, etc.
    They're responsible for a load of classics.
    ...okay, granted that's going into Bullfrog, but bullfrog is essentially Lionhead now
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    #46  Edited By shadows_kill
    SmugDarkLoser said:
    "shadows_kill said:
    "SmugDarkLoser said:
    "

    couldn't anygame?

    But considering the idea and the studio, I say it's something to look forward to.

    "
    what other games have they made?

    and not every game could be horrible. some are made horrible *looks at haze and too human*"
    You honestly don't know what they've made?  Fable, Black and White, Movies (meh), Populous, Dungeon Keeper, Theme Park Sim, etc.
    They're responsible for a load of classics.
    ...okay, granted that's going into Bullfrog, but bullfrog is essentially Lionhead now"
    yeah jakob answered that question :P
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    #47  Edited By pause422

    Seems very interesting. I'm very interested in checking this out, such a big step away from anything Lionhead has done.

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    #48  Edited By Alex_Murphy

    Sounds like they could be cool (but don't all games sound like that on paper). And I'm afraid I have to be a skeptic and say these games are not going to come out this year. I'd love to be wrong but if I were a betting man ... Wait a second, I AM a betting man! OK who wants to bet that these games are not coming out this year?

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    #49  Edited By SmugDarkLoser
    jakob187 said:
    "Also, Smug...who the fuck cares what Peter Moore says?  HE'S AT EA NOW!!!  Dood can choke on Madden's light pen for all I care."
    I'm talking about peter molyenuex (sp?)
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    #50  Edited By Vinchenzo
    SmugDarkLoser said:
    lulz.
    If you say "lulz" one more time, I am going to come to your house and beat you to death with my PS3.

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