Why? Why... Oh wait I think I know why.

#1 Posted by ProfessorZombie (84 posts) -

Ok. GameTrailers.com gave it a high score. I was not expecting this. Madden only had to brag about the biggest improvement to be a mode that should already be a option in the menu. Glorifying a turd, that is already in the game, and trying to sell it to us again. Gameflow... is.... ask Madden.  Then give us the SAME franchise mode that was just barley on par.  

Surprisingly high scores that come from GT have disappointed me. I would be INSANE  on a business end, for some kind of money from the publisher help influence GT's or Gamespots review process in most games that publishers are banking on. Most people not working for big companies have given Madden 11  a 'blah' review, and only Gametrailers and Gamespot, who have both had exclusive features included on this site before the launch. So for most  reviews i have seen on mega game sites, im personally going to have to call shenanigans on this one.      
 
So, what do you guys think?

#2 Posted by BlastProcessing (924 posts) -

I think you're fucking crazy.

#3 Posted by President_Barackbar (3481 posts) -

If you're asking if its possible that EA Sports is influencing review scores, I say they probably do. But I am no Madden player, so I really couldn't tell you if this year's game has any major improvements. I look forward to Alex Navarro's review, but I think his score might be slightly inflated by the fact that he hasn't played a Madden game in 3 years.

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#4 Posted by TekZero (2694 posts) -
@ProfessorZombie said:
" Ok. GameTrailers.com gave it a high score. I was not expecting this. Madden only had to brag about the biggest improvement to be a mode that should already be a option in the menu. Glorifying a turd, that is already in the game, and trying to sell it to us again. Gameflow... is.... ask Madden.  Then give us the SAME franchise mode that was just barley on par.  Surprisingly high scores that come from GT have disappointed me. I would be INSANE  on a business end, for some kind of money from the publisher help influence GT's or Gamespots review process in most games that publishers are banking on. Most people not working for big companies have given Madden 11  a 'blah' review, and only Gametrailers and Gamespot, who have both had exclusive features included on this site before the launch. So for most  reviews i have seen on mega game sites, im personally going to have to call shenanigans on this one.       So, what do you guys think? "
I think that offering a franchise mode that is barley on par is obscene.  At least give us some other kind of grain like oatmeal or something.  Oatmeal is delicious. 
#5 Edited by supermike6 (3656 posts) -

I don't think that Gamespot or Gametrailers (or any big company really) would accept any money from publishers at all. These people understand that if they lose credibility, they lose half their audience, and half their money. Not everyone's as crooked as you think they are. People just have different opinions on things.

#6 Posted by ProfessorZombie (84 posts) -
@BlastProcessing: You are correct sir. ICP crazy in fact.
#7 Posted by ProfessorZombie (84 posts) -
@President_Barackbar: Yea. Im really excited for Alex Navaros review. I loved his game reviews since... The Gamespot glory days. 
#8 Posted by quinistheman (150 posts) -

I think you're wrong about Gameflow = Ask Madden.  Once you set up your own game plan it will call the plays you usually call in the situations you usually call them. It's not perfect but it's not Ask Madden.
For me, I bought the new game as much for the tackles and animation changes as I did for anything else.  Frankly all the pissing and moaning about Madden being a roster update every year is well worn territory.  I can't tell a difference between that and COD or Guitar Hero. They all come out annually and are fundamentally the same from year to year.  Big deal.  If you don't like it, don't buy it.  Why waste your time complaining about something that you aren't into.

#9 Posted by chmod (292 posts) -

GameTrailers and GameSpot are teh moneyhatz.  
 
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#10 Edited by JokerSmilez (1293 posts) -

How much change do you really expect in a game that comes out every year, and sells like gangbusters? Why would they make drastic changes to a game that does well? It would be akin to Blizzard making drastic changes to WoW because a tiny percentage of their hardcore user base complain with every patch. 
 
I remember an interview with a guy from Blizzard about that very subject where he said they've done the research to know that the vocal angry people on message boards who complain about X class getting nerfed or X class being overpowered make up about 5% of their user base - 5% that doesn't stop playing the game no matter how much they complain. So they don't listen to them or care what they say because they know there's always going to be a small contingent of people who don't like what you do no matter what but they have the numbers to back up that overall they are very successful and there's no reason to suddenly start bending to the will of a small portion of gamers who, as it turns out, don't develop a billion dollar franchise and maybe don't know more than the people at Blizzard who do. 
 
Yeah, it was arrogant but he's also not wrong. Same applies to Madden. EA's been making billions on this franchise for years and continue to do so today. Why would they fix something that doesn't appear to be broken? 
 
As for the complaint that big sites are obviously corrupt: the same thing happens for every big release when people don't agree with the review. If it's lower than they think it should be, the site is obviously trolling for "hits", if it's higher than they think it should be, thesite is obviously being paid off.  
 
Madden is an incredibly successful franchise and for the vast majority of Madden players, Madden 11 is a good game that they will be happy with. Unfortunately it seems you are not among the majority. That sucks for you but that's not a sign of a conspiracy. 

#11 Posted by BlastProcessing (924 posts) -
@ProfessorZombie said:
" @BlastProcessing: You are correct sir. ICP crazy in fact. "
There is no help for your poor soul.
#12 Edited by ProfessorEss (7540 posts) -

Regardless of genre of release frequency, I don't agree with reviewing a game based on it's sequels.
 
If Madden 11 is a good game I think it should be scored as a good game regardless of how different it is from it's predecessors.

#13 Posted by JacDG (2132 posts) -
@quinistheman said:

" I think you're wrong about Gameflow = Ask Madden.  Once you set up your own game plan it will call the plays you usually call in the situations you usually call them. It's not perfect but it's not Ask Madden. For me, I bought the new game as much for the tackles and animation changes as I did for anything else.  Frankly all the pissing and moaning about Madden being a roster update every year is well worn territory.  I can't tell a difference between that and COD or Guitar Hero. They all come out annually and are fundamentally the same from year to year.  Big deal.  If you don't like it, don't buy it.  Why waste your time complaining about something that you aren't into. "

It's hard to find people who actually defend Madden. I have no idea why so many people complain about this game, I never hear anyone complain about Fifa (I live in Europe, Fifa is the biggest game ever here)  I completely agree with you, "Why waste your time complaining about something that you aren't into"  well said.
 
I must admit, it's time for EA to change the offline modes for once, Franchise is fun but it NEEDS an upgrade next year for me to buy it.
#14 Edited by Dizzyhippos (1636 posts) -

They dont give madden a good score because of EA's influence or anything like that. They give madden high scores because people have a delusional love for football.
 
Also if there going to half ass be a superstar like in 11 then its time to just stop putting it in the game.

#15 Posted by DystopiaX (5365 posts) -
@supermike6 said:
" I don't think that Gamespot or Gametrailers (or any big company really) would accept any money from publishers at all. These people understand that if they lose credibility, they lose half their audience, and half their money. Not everyone's as crooked as you think they are. People just have different opinions on things. "
Back when jeff got fired there was this whole thing about how publishers could buy a space on the front page of Gamespot. Back before the site redesign, where there was a "featured" thing with 2 or 3 slots, you could go on the cnet corporate side and basically they said you could buy those slots. idk if they still do it but I wouldn't be surprised.
#16 Posted by DystopiaX (5365 posts) -
@Dizzyhippos said:
" They dont give madden a good score because of EA's influence or anything like that. They give madden high scores because people have a delusional love for football.  Also if there going to half ass be a superstar like in 11 then its time to just stop putting it in the game. "
Seriously. They could integrate it into franchise, where it's like an option on the menu to create a player and set him as a superstar or something, and if he did well he got awards and shit or something. But something that came up in the TNT is that football games would be so much better if Madden still had competition. EA's loss of the NFL licence would be the best thing to happen to football games.
#17 Posted by Dizzyhippos (1636 posts) -
@DystopiaX said:
" @Dizzyhippos said:
" They dont give madden a good score because of EA's influence or anything like that. They give madden high scores because people have a delusional love for football.  Also if there going to half ass be a superstar like in 11 then its time to just stop putting it in the game. "
Seriously. They could integrate it into franchise, where it's like an option on the menu to create a player and set him as a superstar or something, and if he did well he got awards and shit or something. But something that came up in the TNT is that football games would be so much better if Madden still had competition. EA's loss of the NFL licence would be the best thing to happen to football games. "
Agreed, but lets stop pretending like 2k's game was perfect everyone seems to forget the bad choice that was first person mode
#18 Posted by Vonocourt (2172 posts) -
@Dizzyhippos:  But at least if fostered a drive to make a better game than the competition.
#19 Posted by supermike6 (3656 posts) -
@DystopiaX said:
" @supermike6 said:
" I don't think that Gamespot or Gametrailers (or any big company really) would accept any money from publishers at all. These people understand that if they lose credibility, they lose half their audience, and half their money. Not everyone's as crooked as you think they are. People just have different opinions on things. "
Back when jeff got fired there was this whole thing about how publishers could buy a space on the front page of Gamespot. Back before the site redesign, where there was a "featured" thing with 2 or 3 slots, you could go on the cnet corporate side and basically they said you could buy those slots. idk if they still do it but I wouldn't be surprised. "
What I really meant was like the reviewers wouldn't accept money. But, I didn't know that, and that's pretty messed up,
#20 Posted by DystopiaX (5365 posts) -
@Dizzyhippos said:
" @DystopiaX said:
" @Dizzyhippos said:
" They dont give madden a good score because of EA's influence or anything like that. They give madden high scores because people have a delusional love for football.  Also if there going to half ass be a superstar like in 11 then its time to just stop putting it in the game. "
Seriously. They could integrate it into franchise, where it's like an option on the menu to create a player and set him as a superstar or something, and if he did well he got awards and shit or something. But something that came up in the TNT is that football games would be so much better if Madden still had competition. EA's loss of the NFL licence would be the best thing to happen to football games. "
Agreed, but lets stop pretending like 2k's game was perfect everyone seems to forget the bad choice that was first person mode "
I'm not saying they were perfect, but if they still existed the Madden devs would have to get off their asses and actually try to improve their game year after year.
#21 Posted by Coombs (3449 posts) -
@supermike6:  
The reviewers themselves would not be accepting money, 
But,  The companies are buying space advertising their games on the site (Lotsa $$$ on big name sites) 
Those companies are not going to invest the same kind of advertising money on that site if the site gives their game a shitty review. 
So the people who employ the reviewers tell them to "be nice"  
Because the reviewer needs a job to be a reviewer he gives the game a good review 
If he gives the game (that made the site alot of money) a bad review, The site loses future advertising money and the reviewer losses opportunity within that site, 
Or possibly even his job. 
 
As far as the credibility goes,  
Most people are not "hardcore" and have no knowledge or interest in the credibility of the industry. 
They simply log on, Type in the name of the game they heard about and say "Hmm..... 9.1/10  Well this game must be good" 
#22 Posted by Dizzyhippos (1636 posts) -
@DystopiaX said:
" @Dizzyhippos said:
" @DystopiaX said:
" @Dizzyhippos said:
" They dont give madden a good score because of EA's influence or anything like that. They give madden high scores because people have a delusional love for football.  Also if there going to half ass be a superstar like in 11 then its time to just stop putting it in the game. "
Seriously. They could integrate it into franchise, where it's like an option on the menu to create a player and set him as a superstar or something, and if he did well he got awards and shit or something. But something that came up in the TNT is that football games would be so much better if Madden still had competition. EA's loss of the NFL licence would be the best thing to happen to football games. "
Agreed, but lets stop pretending like 2k's game was perfect everyone seems to forget the bad choice that was first person mode "
I'm not saying they were perfect, but if they still existed the Madden devs would have to get off their asses and actually try to improve their game year after year. "
Honestly I think the problem is with Tiburon a few years back they had big turnover on the NHL dev team and those games have been better every year since

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