The Illusive Man

#1 Edited by McCrash (13 posts) -
#2 Posted by McGhee (6094 posts) -

Illuminati symbolism, man. The New World Order. IT'S ON THE DOLLAR BILL.

#3 Posted by TheDudeOfGaming (6078 posts) -

@McGhee: You may laugh and mock now, but I'll talk to you again in 10 years.

#4 Posted by Doctorchimp (4067 posts) -

It's just a generic design they put inside circles to make it look Future-istic-ish.

#5 Posted by McCrash (13 posts) -

@McGhee: What's on the dollar bill?

#6 Posted by HaltIamReptar (2029 posts) -

@McCrash: The pyramid is totally the Illuminati's doing.

#7 Posted by McCrash (13 posts) -

And why are you mocking?

I have made no theories. Just asked a simple question.

#8 Posted by McCrash (13 posts) -

I am seeking illusive answers from illusive brains clearly

#9 Posted by HaltIamReptar (2029 posts) -

@McCrash: I'm not mocking. People actually believe what I said.

#10 Posted by McGhee (6094 posts) -

@TheDudeOfGaming said:

@McGhee: You may laugh and mock now, but I'll talk to you again in 10 years.

You'll talk to me in ten years about what, specifically?

#11 Posted by CheapPoison (716 posts) -

OOOh man why did you have to ask these questions... we can't help you know!

Run for your live!

also I believe it means nothing.

#12 Posted by sungahymn (985 posts) -

You've cracked the code.

#13 Posted by McCrash (13 posts) -

Why you children have all mocked and brought up the illuminati is beyond me.

All I asked was has anyone seen it before.

#14 Posted by Venatio (4483 posts) -

This reminds me of that surprisingly lengthy thread about the theory that the Illusive Man is a reaper because of his enhancements, enhancements that are widely in use in the Mass Effect universe

#15 Posted by Ravenlight (8040 posts) -

Take it down a notch, Mr. Five Posts, nobody's personally attacking you here.

For what it's worth, it would be awesome if there was some special meaning to The Illusive Man's eyes but I think it's just coincidence that the symbol in Tomb Raider is similar. If I had to draw any connection, I'd guess maybe one of the artists on ME2 really liked Tomb Raider and included an easter egg.

#16 Posted by Dany (7887 posts) -

He has added some tech into himself

#17 Edited by McCrash (13 posts) -

@Ravenlight: My post count and your approval do not decide the tone I shall take with people who mock.

#18 Posted by Ravenlight (8040 posts) -

@McCrash said:

@Ravenlight: My post count and your "approval" do not decide the tone I shall take with people who mock.

Welcome to the site, then. Enjoy your stay!

#19 Posted by Death_Unicorn (2838 posts) -

MY GOD MAN, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?

#20 Posted by deathstriker666 (1337 posts) -

I doubt it. If you want a real answer, you'll have to ask Bioware to find out. No one here fucking knows

#21 Posted by AhmadMetallic (18955 posts) -

Mass Effect is so yesterday.

#22 Posted by NTM (7233 posts) -

I figured it out. Illusive Man is "God", and the Reapers are Satan's forces. Huh, I never had thought about it, but it's so obvious... Maybe.

#23 Posted by Vegetable_Side_Dish (1723 posts) -
@McCrash said:

Why you children have all mocked and brought up the illuminati is beyond me.

All I asked was has anyone seen it before.

I think the reason people aren't giving serious answers is that  it isn't a very serious question.  
#24 Posted by McCrash (13 posts) -

@Vegetable_Side_Dish: How was it not a serious question to ask? Maybe revealed further on in ME2? I haven't finished it so wouldn't know.

Just what is a serious question that I should have asked here? The meaning of life?

#25 Posted by Vegetable_Side_Dish (1723 posts) -
@McCrash: What do you expect the answer to be? That Tomb Raider and Mass Effect is in the same universe? Tali is Lara Croft? Asking a small group of people about a similarly shaped pattern in two completely unrelated games isn't going to get you much of a scholarly answer. 
#26 Posted by Ravenlight (8040 posts) -

@McCrash said:

Maybe revealed further on in ME2? I haven't finished it so wouldn't know.

Just what is a serious question that I should have asked here? The meaning of life?

I don't think it's ever revealed. I think it's just something the duders at Bioware added to keep with the Illusive Man's mysterious theme. Plus it looks awesome.

Taking a look at the forums, it looks like the only thing anyone's taking seriously around here these days is GOTY 2011 stuff. Maybe start a thread titled Best character's eyes in a game showcased at E3 2011: The Illusive Man (ME3)

#27 Edited by McCrash (13 posts) -

Why is it I have to justify raising the question more then anything on here? I thought this is what forums were for.

If someone isn't telling me my point is not serious enough, another of you claims I'm looking for scholarly answers!

I just wondered if anyone knew what is was, never mind people.

#28 Posted by Duskwind (141 posts) -

@McCrash: It's probably just to give the impression that he's been cyberized. It also makes him look mysterious and is in-keeping with the futuristic theme of the game. If there's anything more to it, hopefully it will be revealed in ME3.

#29 Edited by I_smell (3925 posts) -

It means he has bionic eyes so he can see HUD screens and other futuristic stuff.  It's not a symbol in his eye, it's small machinery and bionics at work.
Here's a glossary of what symbols mean, but I don't think this is anything significant.
 
It's like- y'know... What does the Cerberus symbol mean? Nothing, it's just a badge.

#30 Posted by Enigma777 (6057 posts) -

OP freaking out is great! So happy I clicked on this thread.

#31 Posted by Ulain (315 posts) -

@McCrash said:

Why is it I have to justify raising the question more then anything on here? I thought this is what forums were for.

If someone isn't telling me my point is not serious enough, another of you claims I'm looking for scholarly answers!

I just wondered if anyone knew what is was, never mind people.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out <3

And it's a forum, not a hivemind; people are allowed to have differing opinions on your thread. Stop blowing this out of proportion.

#32 Edited by believer258 (11555 posts) -

@McCrash said:

Why is it I have to justify raising the question more then anything on here? I thought this is what forums were for.

If someone isn't telling me my point is not serious enough, another of you claims I'm looking for scholarly answers!

I just wondered if anyone knew what is was, never mind people.

I don't think it's really anything. I don't personally see much resemblance. The design of the Illusive Man's eyes is simply to make him look more mysterious and powerful, possibly threatening. They're probably cybernetic, or at least they have a cybernetic film over them. Maybe these eyes of his allow him to better detect, say, when someone is lying by their heartbeat or an increased presence of sweat? Maybe he can see through your clothes and tell if you have any hidden weapons? The point of his eyes is to say "This is one motherfucker you do not want to mess with".

That is honestly the most serious answer I can give. Any connection between Tomb Raider and Mass Effect is negligible at best, something like an artist enjoying Tomb Raider and throwing that in there as a very, very subtle nod. There's not much discussion to be had so, please, don't freak out when no one meant any real harm. You'll have a much better time here, on the internet.

#33 Edited by Jeust (10448 posts) -

The Illusive Man is an Uchiha!

#34 Posted by VoshiNova (1632 posts) -

@Dany said:

He has added some tech into himself

yea I kind of assumed the same thing.

#35 Posted by AngelN7 (2970 posts) -

Well if you're really curious the nature of why his eyes are like that is revealed in the Mass Effect : Evolution comic, they do not go into the specifics but in short, he was "touched" by reaper tech just like Saren , for an origin story set up I didn't think the comic was great but if you're a fan of the series it has some good nods in there.

#36 Posted by Rebel_Scum (615 posts) -

@AngelN7 said:

Well if you're really curious the nature of why his eyes are like that is revealed in the Mass Effect : Evolution comic, they do not go into the specifics but in short, he was "touched" by reaper tech just like Saren , for an origin story set up I didn't think the comic was great but if you're a fan of the series it has some good nods in there.

Hey OP did you hear this?

#37 Posted by AndrewB (7437 posts) -

@McGhee said:

@TheDudeOfGaming said:

@McGhee: You may laugh and mock now, but I'll talk to you again in 10 years.

You'll talk to me in ten years about what, specifically?

In ten years, if neither of you are married...

#38 Posted by McGhee (6094 posts) -

@AndrewB said:

@McGhee said:

@TheDudeOfGaming said:

@McGhee: You may laugh and mock now, but I'll talk to you again in 10 years.

You'll talk to me in ten years about what, specifically?

In ten years, if neither of you are married...

wat

#39 Posted by Galiant (2175 posts) -
@McGhee

@AndrewB said:

@McGhee said:

@TheDudeOfGaming said:

@McGhee: You may laugh and mock now, but I'll talk to you again in 10 years.

You'll talk to me in ten years about what, specifically?

In ten years, if neither of you are married...

wat

It's a joke, I guess. Implying that if neither of you are married in ten years, you can marry each other.
#40 Posted by McCrash (13 posts) -

@Ulain: Who said I'm going anywhere fella?

#41 Posted by Shortbreadtom (681 posts) -

I love posts that are seemingly boring from the outside, but secretly contains a butthurt OP

#42 Posted by thedj93 (1237 posts) -

there is no connection between tomb raider and mass effect; sorry to disappoint

welcome to gb

#43 Edited by Fattony12000 (6947 posts) -

Hah, I wrote a silly thing about the Illusive Man's dope eyes, ages ago. Although, looking at the date on this thread, MAYBE IT WAS ME WHO WROTE THE OP ON HERE?

Not that anyone is going to be reading this shit, I am still going to post within the bounds of the UK Video Game Spoilers Act 2003. As such, please be aware:

Here be spoilers for all three of the Mass Effect games. What do you mean you ain't finished them all? Get to it! It's okay, I'll wait...

There we go. Right, let's get on with the show!

Yeah, so, Mass Effect 3 was kind of a roller-coaster for most people wasn't it? A mostly great ride with a bit of a slow start, a gradual build up to a fast-paced, interesting and fun several hours (these are the bits where you are doing loop-the-loops and corkscrews and shit), followed by a frantic and climactic finale, which then resolves with you suffering a horrific ride malfunction and results in everyone dying and generally not having a fun time. Oh...wait...

I am not even going to get into the good and the bad and the ugly of the final sequences of the last game in one of this generation's greatest ever franchises (other than to say that I think BioWare could have done better, as they have demonstrated many times before). What I am going to do is gaze into the very window of a person's soul and talk about some cool/scary things. That person? The Illusive Man. And the window? His Paragon-blue eyes.

As demonstrated by the two above images, both the The Illusive Man (hereafter I'll refer to him simply as TIM) and Shepard sport (albeit optionally in games 2 and 3) these fairly obvious glowing eye thingies, which no one at any point in any of the games ever acknowledges or asks about, which is rather interesting. I mean, there are dozens of crazy looking doodads and flibberty gibbets stuck onto the various races throughout the game, and there are hundreds upon hundreds of individuals who you come across in your journey for galactic peace, and not a single one has ever been shown to have these sick looking glowing eye-rims.

As far as I'm aware you can only get the Renegade version of these eyes, as well as the accompanying 'scarring' in ME3, as stated in the game you are not yet fully healed from your re-constructive surgery and without acting nice to people (choosing the top-most options in dialogue wheels and the blue colour-coded Paragon options where available), you are basically letting the Dark Side flow through you and ravage your body in a outwardly physical manner. If you roll deep enough into the Renegade options you end up looking like you've got red hot magma boiling away just under your skin, combined with your Terminator eyes you look like the baddest badass that has ever existed IN THE ENTIRE GALAXY.

That brings me to my first major point, you can only ever become the evil-looking Shepard Commander in ME3, if you recall back to the second game there was the option for both sides of the moral scale to be represented through the medium of your face. You are in essence forced down the ruthless Renegade path if you want those sweet scars (there still exists the option to get your face completely scrubbed clean in the medbay). Now with the only other person in the galaxy boasting the Paragon version of this flair, it got me to a-thinkin...which side of the conflict is TIM really on, and which side does HE think he is on? And if the answer is that TIM is kinda a good guy, is it actually the case that the player-controlled character is actually travelling down the road of being a total dick.

The parallels that can be drawn between TIM and Saren are clear on a surface level, they have both fallen under the spell of Indoctrination (a single Reaper, Sovereign, in the case of Saren and an unspecified Reaper or Reapers with TIM). However, the major difference between the two is that Saren knows he is being Indoctrinated, and willingly submits to it, safe in the knowledge that Sovereign won't fully corrupt his mind due to the deterioration of his abilities and overall usefulness to the goal of opening up the Citadel for the impending invasion. TIM on the other hand, has trodden heavily down the path to the dark side in a really screwed up way, he uses salvaged Reaper/Collector technology to explore how he can essentially counter-Indoctrinate the Reapers (the little boy AI at the end of the game does indeed say that TIM could have technically done this, he happens to fail in this instance as his mind was already under the control of the Reapers). His experiments result in him killing thousands upon thousands of refugees as well as many members of his own personal army. Through TIM's eyes he is trying to get the upper hand on the Reapers, but in his eyes the Mass Effect moral scale still deems him as being a super-great guy!

The shenanigans that occur at the end of the game, with Shepard and Anderson and TIM in the control room of the Citadel, do show TIM finally snapping under the realisation that he being controlled (or so I hear, as a Renegade I just shot him as he was threatening to execute Anderson), yet his eyes have always stayed the same colour throughout two whole games. I doubt a case could be made for saying that TIM was Indoctrinated even in ME2, as he goes to great effort to keep Shepard's body out of the Collector's grubby hands. Maybe over the course of that game we are seeing TIM becoming a sleeper agent for the Reapers? Hmmm...

To explore this point more I'll be making a second post, maybe like a video review thing or maybe just words, I don't know yet. I just wanted to get something down that reminded me to talk about this rather odd little thing I noticed, even back in ME2 I thought it was cool/strange, there was this obviously dodgy dude with the same Paragon eyes as me, laying out the orders to do some rather kinky things. Anyhow, until next time, keelah se'lai.

Here is my silly blog.

#44 Posted by Christoffer (1742 posts) -

I don't see a resemblance between the two symbols other than they are circular and have some inner details. Standard issue in Sci-fi, Fantasy or faux-history art design I'd say.

#45 Posted by tourgen (4426 posts) -

@McCrash said:

@Ulain: Who said I'm going anywhere fella?

sorry, your post seems to have attracted most of the assholes on these forums. Not everyone around here is like that.

I don't think the symbols have any specific meaning. I think a gfx designer probably saw something similar and thought it looked cool and had some nice symmetry, so in the game it went. I have no facts to back that up though, it's just a guess based on a lack of any other info.

#46 Posted by Manhattan_Project (2114 posts) -

@tourgen said:

@McCrash said:

@Ulain: Who said I'm going anywhere fella?

sorry, your post seems to have attracted most of the assholes on these forums. Not everyone around here is like that.

I don't think the symbols have any specific meaning. I think a gfx designer probably saw something similar and thought it looked cool and had some nice symmetry, so in the game it went. I have no facts to back that up though, it's just a guess based on a lack of any other info.

Making jokes about the illuminati does not make you an asshole. You guys need to chill.

#47 Posted by Ulain (315 posts) -

@tourgen said:

@McCrash said:

@Ulain: Who said I'm going anywhere fella?

sorry, your post seems to have attracted most of the assholes on these forums. Not everyone around here is like that.

I don't think the symbols have any specific meaning. I think a gfx designer probably saw something similar and thought it looked cool and had some nice symmetry, so in the game it went. I have no facts to back that up though, it's just a guess based on a lack of any other info.

If any of us seem like "assholes" it's because OP got butthurt by the silly answers we gave to his silly question. He then proceeded to act as if we weren't worth his time, which based on his whopping 9 posts, this last one being after 8 months of nothing, seemed pretty fucking accurate that he ragequit the forums.

Feel free to call us assholes when you obviously didn't bother to learn the context, though. It's working well.

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