Bioware showing that they are a paragon of equality

#1 Edited by Animasta (14650 posts) -

okay, so, this was sarcasm if you couldn't tell. Basically, from what I understand, you can get some bonus... armor? clothing? from playing the demo or something. Now, male shepard gets this sweet ass leather jacket

it's p. sweet. I would wear that jacket, I think most people would wear that jacket, makes you look like you're a space greaser or something (space ponyboy)

here's what females get

LADIES WEAR DRESSES RIGHT? EVEN WOMEN WHO GO INTO COMBAT AND SAVE GALAXIES, RIGHT? HAHA YEAH MAN *fist bump*

now, lots of people got angry at me for saying "oh that reversible cover is even worse than not including it at all" but this is just blatant, pandering, sexist, terrible and indefensible. This would be okay, if either femshep got the jacket or male shep got a tuxedo or something to show that this is just evening wear, but you could fight in that leather jacket, I am PRETTY SURE you cannot fight very well in a cocktail dress.

edit: mods please lock this I should have known better to post this here

#2 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19308 posts) -

But those are just casual dressing to wear only on the ship, correct? Of course she wouldn't be wearing that in combat; neither would the male Shepard. What's wrong with it? The fact that she's a woman wearing a dress? Women don't wear dresses?

#3 Edited by Venatio (4482 posts) -

I'm playing femshep and I wish she got that sweet jacket instead too

I mean same thing happened in ME2 with the Kasumi DLC, maleshep got a suit and femshep got a dress, but since they were infiltrating a big party it made alot of sense, this doesn't. I mean if this was just casual ship clothes it would, but I'm guessing she wears that into combat in the first level

But you don't HAVE to wear it if you don't want to, problem solved

#4 Posted by Toms115 (2316 posts) -

we're the tunnel snakes

#5 Posted by Video_Game_King (36071 posts) -

Oh, I thought this was about that From Ashes thing. (I'll admit that I don't know what that's about.) Yea, a dress does look pretty dumb in a sci-fi setting, like you can't have dresses and lasers in the same universe.

#6 Edited by Animasta (14650 posts) -

@FluxWaveZ said:

But those are just casual dressing to wear only on the ship, correct? Of course she wouldn't be wearing that in combat; neither would the male Shepard. What's wrong with it? The fact that she's a woman wearing a dress? Women don't wear dresses?

You have just as much info as I have, but you would not wear that dress just for walking around the ship either

@Venatio: that's not a good argument either. Yeah, I don't HAVE to go buy the 13-2 beach party outfit for serah, that doesn't change the fact that it's there (and terrible)

#7 Edited by FluxWaveZ (19308 posts) -
@Animasta: I don't know if I would; I'm not a woman. Why is it totally unrealistic that FemShep would wear a dress?
#8 Posted by penINC (136 posts) -

Well that's dumb. Why can't my male Shepard have a dress too?

#9 Posted by connerthekewlkid (1803 posts) -

@Animasta: if your gonna kill some reapers you might as well look good doing it

#10 Posted by Spoonman671 (4563 posts) -

Yeah, I'm sure that women who go into combat and save galaxies never wear dresses.  That's not in any way as presumptuous as what you are accusing Bioware of.

#11 Posted by CL60 (16906 posts) -

I really, really wish this site had an ignore feature.

#12 Posted by FreakAche (2950 posts) -

@Animasta: Are you sure that these two outfits are equivalent? I've been willing to defend BioWare for a lot of the stuff they do, but if this is true, I really don't know what to say.

#13 Posted by Captain_Felafel (1553 posts) -

Femshep wants to feel pretty?

#14 Posted by Grelik (144 posts) -

Alright, you got me here. This made me chuckle a little bit.

Side note: Is it just the angle of the shot, or does her body look really disproportionate? Abnormally small upper body (NOT talking breast size here just in case people try to lynch me) and overly muscular/thick legs with hips that start way to far up her torso?

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#15 Edited by Dagbiker (6939 posts) -

I think ill pass on being outraged on this, thanks.

Also, they both look dumb.

#16 Posted by Animasta (14650 posts) -

@FluxWaveZ said:

@Animasta: I don't know if I would; I'm not a woman. Why is it totally unrealistic that FemShep would wear a dress?

you honestly think you could relax in that thing? also you missed the high heels too, which are not conductive to relaxing.

ALSO I AM NOT SUGGESTING THAT SHE CAN NOT WEAR A DRESS. She wore a dress in the Kasumi mission but I didn't care because Male shepard was wearing a tuxedo, and it was totally valid because they were going to a fancy dress party.

#17 Edited by Yummylee (21293 posts) -

Pretty sure that's the dress from the Kasumi DLC, or close enough. Also I want that jacket in real life!

#18 Posted by Animasta (14650 posts) -

@Abyssfull: colors are different but yeah it's the same dress

#19 Posted by DEMONOLOGY_24 (521 posts) -

yeah I agree with the dress it's kinda dumb that male Shepard gets that sweet ass jacket and lady Shepard gets...well a dress, what ladies can't wear sweet jackets and looking at that picture it looks really out of place like "hey Shepard let's go back to my place after saving the universe and drinks."

#20 Posted by Cloudenvy (5891 posts) -

@Grelik: People are into thunder thighs these days, I think.

On Topic: This made me laugh and I'd totally buy that leather jacket if I could.

#21 Posted by AhmadMetallic (18955 posts) -

I love jumping on a Mass Effect hate train whenever one comes my way but women do wear dresses when they wanna look all fancy. Nothing sexist about the fact that women in our society wear slutty/tight clothes for casual wear and revealing clothes for fancy wear. 
 
Do you see any girls in buses, schools or on the street who wear regular non-tight non-sexual clothes? I doubt it. Do you see any women in celebratory or fancy atmospheres or events not wearing revealing dresses? I doubt it.

#22 Posted by Demoskinos (14579 posts) -

I don't get how this is "sexist" just because they want to be treated equal doesn't mean they need to throw their needs to do girly things under the bus. Every woman wants to FEEL like a woman sometimes. Women wear dresses and a good number of them like to dress up. The only way it could qualify as being "sexist" is if they used that oufit to overtly sexualize femshep so leering nerds could oogle her. It looks like a fairly conservative attire so honestly I don't see the issue.

#23 Posted by billyhoush (1192 posts) -

I hope this game has a dickgirl option or I'm calling my local congress woman.

#24 Posted by bybeach (4730 posts) -

I'm pretty sure the sexist thing is not wearing much at all. But you are right in that is innappropiatte,she looks like she is going to a space greaser evening party.. well maybe that's the point. Also it looks pretty ugly. 
 
 But I think the  jacket cut to fit for both casual and war would look just as good on her, maybe more so. Nice belt say to go with it or something, even lapels.
#25 Posted by rjayb89 (7717 posts) -

Mmm, damn, girl.

#26 Posted by PeasantAbuse (5138 posts) -

Not slutty enough to interest me.

#27 Posted by Animasta (14650 posts) -

@AhmadMetallic: that leather jacket is not fancy; they are different items of clothing for different purposes. that leather jacket is for looking badass and is definitely casual in nature, that dress can not be considered in any way casual.

#28 Posted by TheHT (10922 posts) -

@Animasta said:

@FluxWaveZ said:

@Animasta: I don't know if I would; I'm not a woman. Why is it totally unrealistic that FemShep would wear a dress?

you honestly think you could relax in that thing? also you missed the high heels too, which are not conductive to relaxing.

If I were using a FemShep I'd want the leather jacket too, but now you're just grasping at straws.

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#29 Edited by CL60 (16906 posts) -

@Demoskinos said:

I don't get how this is "sexist" just because they want to be treated equal doesn't mean they need to throw their needs to do girly things under the bus. Every woman wants to FEEL like a woman sometimes. Women wear dresses and a good number of them like to dress up. The only way it could qualify as being "sexist" is if they used that oufit to overtly sexualize femshep so leering nerds could oogle her. It looks like a fairly conservative attire so honestly I don't see the issue.

This is the same guy complaining that there being 2 different box arts you can flip, 1 for male Shepard, and one for female Shepard is sexist and an outrage.

So yeah...

#30 Posted by BraveToaster (12590 posts) -

You're a man, so why are you offended?

#31 Edited by Brodehouse (9624 posts) -

And of course this is the only piece of clothing BioWare allows you to wear if you're playing as a lady. In fact, why are you wearing shoes?

Another case where BioWare would've been better off giving the audience nothing. No Prothean character, no anger. No choice of casual clothes, no anger.

#32 Posted by MiniPato (2721 posts) -

It's not even a nice looking dress or a formal military outfit or anything. It looks like she's wearing a fucking garbage bag. Give her the leather jacket.

#33 Posted by Alkaiser (358 posts) -

@AhmadMetallic said:

Do you see any girls in buses, schools or on the street who wear regular non-tight non-sexual clothes? I doubt it. Do you see any women in celebratory or fancy atmospheres or events not wearing revealing dresses? I doubt it.

You're kidding me, right? You've never seen a woman wearing a t-shirt and pants? What are you, James Bond?

#34 Posted by Hailinel (23946 posts) -

@Animasta said:

@AhmadMetallic: that leather jacket is not fancy; they are different items of clothing for different purposes. that leather jacket is for looking badass and is definitely casual in nature, that dress can not be considered in any way casual.

It's not casual, but I must say that it's stylish. And when FemShep isn't running around, saving the galaxy from Reapers and other assholes, who's to say she doesn't feel like being a classy lady?

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#35 Posted by eroticfishcake (7782 posts) -

I'm more bothered by the fact that Bioware still can't render people. They look so damn plastic it's not funny. I mean, they've managed to look Chobot even more ugly to look at and I didn't think that was possible. That is a sweet ass leather jacket though. The dress is kinda icky though. But eh, I think you're looking into this a bit to much.

#36 Posted by Alkaiser (358 posts) -

@Hailinel said:

@Animasta said:

@AhmadMetallic: that leather jacket is not fancy; they are different items of clothing for different purposes. that leather jacket is for looking badass and is definitely casual in nature, that dress can not be considered in any way casual.

It's not casual, but I must say that it's stylish. And when FemShep isn't running around, saving the galaxy from Reapers and other assholes, who's to say she doesn't feel like being a classy lady?

Nothing wrong with having both though. It'd be nice to have the option.

#37 Edited by Animasta (14650 posts) -

@Hailinel said:

@Animasta said:

@AhmadMetallic: that leather jacket is not fancy; they are different items of clothing for different purposes. that leather jacket is for looking badass and is definitely casual in nature, that dress can not be considered in any way casual.

It's not casual, but I must say that it's stylish. And when FemShep isn't running around, saving the galaxy from Reapers and other assholes, who's to say she doesn't feel like being a classy lady?

then give maleshep a tuxedo.

@BraveToaster: also I'm not a man but men are offended by this too

#38 Posted by SlightConfuse (3963 posts) -

why is everyone over reacting to every little thing for this game. its an optional piece of clothing for pete's sake

#39 Posted by AhmadMetallic (18955 posts) -
@Alkaiser said:

@AhmadMetallic said:

Do you see any girls in buses, schools or on the street who wear regular non-tight non-sexual clothes? I doubt it. Do you see any women in celebratory or fancy atmospheres or events not wearing revealing dresses? I doubt it.

You're kidding me, right? You've never seen a woman wearing a t-shirt and pants? What are you, James Bond?

Tight jeans and tight semi-revealing tops. t-shirts on a girl? aged 15+? I haven't seen one in real life (and I travel a lot everyday) in long years. Nor do I see any on the facebook of foreign girls or the random youtube videos.
#40 Posted by AlisterCat (5484 posts) -

Whatever. Women wear dresses. They do, even in 2012. Ideally you could get both costumes for both genders, but I can't see them doing that.

#41 Posted by Animasta (14650 posts) -

does she literally have to wear nothing but a bra for her natural combat attire before people call it sexist? christ

#42 Posted by BraveToaster (12590 posts) -

@Animasta said:

@BraveToaster: also I'm not a man but men are offended by this too

You were born a male. No matter how many operations you get, you'll still be a male.

#43 Posted by Alkaiser (358 posts) -

@AhmadMetallic said:

@Alkaiser said:

@AhmadMetallic said:

Do you see any girls in buses, schools or on the street who wear regular non-tight non-sexual clothes? I doubt it. Do you see any women in celebratory or fancy atmospheres or events not wearing revealing dresses? I doubt it.

You're kidding me, right? You've never seen a woman wearing a t-shirt and pants? What are you, James Bond?

Tight jeans and tight semi-revealing tops. t-shirts on a girl? aged 15+? I haven't seen one in real life (and I travel a lot everyday) in long years. Nor do I see any on the facebook of foreign girls or the random youtube videos.

Really? So you've never met somebody's mom?

#44 Posted by Demoskinos (14579 posts) -

@Animasta: Does she have to dress like a man for it not to be sexist?

#45 Posted by AhmadMetallic (18955 posts) -
@Animasta said:

does she literally have to wear nothing but a bra for her natural combat attire before people call it sexist? christ

I was about to respond to that, but then I remembered we're talking about Mass Effect here... so what are we discussing exactly dude? This franchise is made by horny people and aimed at horny customers, Bioware has been about interactive pornography for years, their forums are filled with horny players asking for moar sex in the games.... Why is the sexist outfit a surprise? 
 
 
@Alkaiser said:

@AhmadMetallic said:

@Alkaiser said:

@AhmadMetallic said:

Do you see any girls in buses, schools or on the street who wear regular non-tight non-sexual clothes? I doubt it. Do you see any women in celebratory or fancy atmospheres or events not wearing revealing dresses? I doubt it.

You're kidding me, right? You've never seen a woman wearing a t-shirt and pants? What are you, James Bond?

Tight jeans and tight semi-revealing tops. t-shirts on a girl? aged 15+? I haven't seen one in real life (and I travel a lot everyday) in long years. Nor do I see any on the facebook of foreign girls or the random youtube videos.

Really? So you've never met somebody's mom?

Read my original post. I said one thing about younger girls, and another about older women.
#46 Edited by Animasta (14650 posts) -

@BraveToaster said:

@Animasta said:

@BraveToaster: also I'm not a man but men are offended by this too

You were born a male. No matter how many operations you get, you'll still be a male.

well thanks for being an asshole but that still has nothing to do with the topic at hand

@AhmadMetallic: damn I can't argue with that. only that the leather jacket is radical and the dress is not.

#47 Edited by Dallas_Raines (2138 posts) -

So you have problems with heroic women wearing dresses, but you are okay with Serah wearing a Hilton-esque outfit through her entire adventure to save TIME AND SPACE?(Or how about macho ass Lightning wearing a miniskirt in her original costume?)

#48 Posted by Animasta (14650 posts) -

@Dallas_Raines said:

So you have problem with heroic women wearing dresses, but you are okay with Serah wearing a Hilton-esque outfit through her entire adventure to save TIME AND SPACE?(Or how about macho ass Lightning wearing a miniskirt in her original costume?)

I never said anywhere I didn't (besides, I had more of a problem with Vanille's outfit than lightning), it's possible to like things while accepting their flaws.

#49 Posted by Vinny_Says (5691 posts) -

@Animasta: Cool pilots who wear leather jackets take them off when they get into their F15s, just sayin....maybe Shepard just came back from a "welcome back to Earf" party when Anderson called him/her....

How many Bioware threads can the GB community make in the next 10 days? Don't dissapoint me guys!

#50 Posted by Dallas_Raines (2138 posts) -

Also, Male Shep looks pretty manly and sexy in that jacket with his beautiful, EXCLUSIVE model-man face, so I guess this means BioWare hates men.

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