Pondered to stick to Standard Edition and stock up on Bioware Points, or upgrading to Collector's Edition. I did all the overpriced DLC for ME2 and I kinda regret all of it, since none of it was really worth the price of admission, even if some of it was worth my while. Truth be told, I'm a sucker for Mass Effect. So in the end I just went and upgraded to ME3 CE. A whopping 30 bucks for a 10$ DLC and a bunch of crap I could not care less about. The OST maybe, but I'd just listen to that on youtube if the urge strikes me.

It leaves me with a sick feeling in my stomach though. Like I got fucked by an Alaskan Pipeline(SSX, what have you done?). I get that EA and Bioware sell me a product and it's up to me to decide if it's worth what they're asking for it or not. I don't feel entitled to 'everything developed pre-release', that's a childish notion. Significant and story relevant day and date premium DLC though? That's over the line - and I followed suite. So - if this becomes standard practice... GODS DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!

How about you. Is the Alaskan Pipeline firmely inserted up your rectum or what?
 
What it's all about you ask?

F.

I don't get it, what's the kerfuffle here?

I'm laughing at people who think it's a big deal. Since it's not on the disc. Was worked on by a different team after the game went gold. And the party member is in the main game, and the DLC is just a tacked on mission that adds him to your party.

What's the kerfuffle?

Based on their previous track record the DLC will not integrate itself into the story and if you were to bring the character with you outside it's DLC, you would likely miss out on dialog since I doubt the DLC character will have dialog outside of combat in the main game.

@Enigma777 said: @DeShawn2ks:

I don't get it, what's the kerfuffle here?

Total Biscuit will fill you in.Or you check out this 'Francis' bit...

I bought a filet-o-fish sandwich from McDonald's and am now eating it.

I'm not sure if I'll even get the game, but if I do end up buying it I'll probably skip the DLC or will have waited so long a GOTY version will be out.

I havent really looked into what this DLC is about because I dont want spoilers, but I was gonna get the CE anyway. (It got sold out the last 2 times dammit!) That doesnt mean i'm okay with it, I think day 1 dlc always sucks, but almost every game has it to some extent these days, and no amount of bitching and moaning is going to make it go away so you mareswell bend over and take it like a man...

I'm laughing at people who think it's a big deal. Since it's not on the disc. Was worked on by a different team after the game went gold. And the party member is in the main game, and the DLC is just a tacked on mission that adds him to your party.

@Seppli said:

@Enigma777 said:

I don't get it, what's the kerfuffle here?

Total Biscuit will fill you in.Or you check out this 'Francis' bit...

Wow.... Do those idiots realize that this is not the first time Bioware and EA have done this? DAO had day-1 DLC. Jesus Christ, I understand if it was a 2-hour mission cut from a 6-hour campaign, but it's a 45+ hour game.

Gamers are so entitled sometimes...

@Seppli said:

I'm okay with it, but I'm also sick to my stomach.

"I'm okay with it, but I'm also not okay with it."

What!?

@Seppli said:

I'm okay with it, but I'm also sick to my stomach.

"I'm okay with it, but I'm also not okay with it."

What!?

@Seppli said:

@CL60 said:

I'm laughing at people who think it's a big deal. Since it's not on the disc. Was worked on by a different team after the game went gold. And the party member is in the main game, and the DLC is just a tacked on mission that adds him to your party.

Day and date Premium DLC is disgusting, to say the least. Especially given the loreheavy nature of this specific DLC. It pretty much ups the perceived price of admission for the full launch Mass Effect 3 experiece by 10-30 dollars. I'm okay with it, but I'm also sick to my stomach. I guess being cool ain't too high on EA's and Bioware's priority list anymore.

It's not lore heavy though. It's nothing. He's in the main game, the DLC just tacks him on as a party member.

@Seppli said:

@CL60 said:

I'm laughing at people who think it's a big deal. Since it's not on the disc. Was worked on by a different team after the game went gold. And the party member is in the main game, and the DLC is just a tacked on mission that adds him to your party.

Day and date Premium DLC is disgusting, to say the least. Especially given the loreheavy nature of this specific DLC. It pretty much ups the perceived price of admission for the full launch Mass Effect 3 experiece by 10-30 dollars. I'm okay with it, but I'm also sick to my stomach. I guess being cool ain't too high on EA's and Bioware's priority list anymore.

It's not lore heavy though. It's nothing. He's in the main game, the DLC just tacks him on as a party member.

G. Still waiting on the "GotY Edition with all of the DLC included at a much cheaper price" as I had originally intended.

@Seppli said:

@CL60 said:

@Seppli said:

@CL60 said:

I'm laughing at people who think it's a big deal. Since it's not on the disc. Was worked on by a different team after the game went gold. And the party member is in the main game, and the DLC is just a tacked on mission that adds him to your party.

Day and date Premium DLC is disgusting, to say the least. Especially given the loreheavy nature of this specific DLC. It pretty much ups the perceived price of admission for the full launch Mass Effect 3 experiece by 10-30 dollars. I'm okay with it, but I'm also sick to my stomach. I guess being cool ain't too high on EA's and Bioware's priority list anymore.

It's not lore heavy though. It's nothing. He's in the main game, the DLC just tacks him on as a party member.

I can't imagine a mission...

SPOILER WARNING: Click here to reveal hidden content.

...about a Prothean, playing mostly in the past, during the last Reaper invasion, to be anything but loreheavy and superawesome.

Are you ignoring everything I'm saying? He's in the main game, and we learn all we need to know about the Protheans in the main game. The DLC is just a tacked on mission that was made after the game went gold that gets him into your party because people were wanting one of that race as a party member. It's just fanservice. Nothing more.

Well I guess I was too late to get the Collector's Edition off Amazon. I was going to hit up a Best Buy to try and get it this weekend.

If not and I get stuck with a standard edition off Amazon then no I won't buy the DLC.

D. I haven't played any of the ME DLC. I play through it once and that's about it.

do what I do and don't give a fuck smoke weed everyday

@Seppli said:

@CL60: You say it's tacked on. I say I feel it's integral. Both can be true you know.

No they can't. Read the leaked spoilers. The DLC is not integral in the slightest. It gives you nothing at all that the main game doesn't give you.

@Seppli said:

@Enigma777: I feel like if I buy a storydriven game at launch, I am entitled to the full experience/story. An integral piece of a storydriven game is simply not fair business for day 1 paid DLC -

Confirmed @ ignoring what I'm saying.

@Seppli said:

@CL60 said:

@Seppli said:

@Enigma777: I feel like if I buy a storydriven game at launch, I am entitled to the full experience/story. An integral piece of a storydriven game is simply not fair business for day 1 paid DLC -

Confirmed @ ignoring what I'm saying.

Your lack of perspective and empathy is disturbing. I do understand the facts. You just don't understand my point of view.

I don't understand your point of view because it makes no sense. The DLC tells you literally nothing important to the plot, or anything important to anything. It's a mission to get the character in your party, because people wanted that. Everything integral to the plot surrounding Protheans is in the main game, not the DLC.

G. Still waiting on the "GotY Edition with all of the DLC included at a much cheaper price" as I had originally intended.

@Seppli said:

@Enigma777: Dragon Age : Origin's day1-paid-DLC-exclusive storage chest was one of the most disgusting pieces of DLC I've bought in my life, albeit I'm quite sure I got that for free for preordering from my retailer. My memory is a bit fuzzy on how that went down. People made a muck about it then too, rightfully so. While I don't feel entitled to every piece of content a developer produces prior to release, I feel like if I buy a storydriven game at launch, I am entitled to the full experience/story. An integral piece of a storydriven game is simply not fair business for day 1 paid DLC - and the better the DLC is, the more of a fuck-off it is to their standard edition customers. Which makes it bad business indeed. My book of grudges slowly swells. Yarr. Or something. It'd not be hard to cockblock such brazen exploits of my weakness for their product. It's copy and paste, not crack cocaine - and the world is somewaht cavalier about it too.

But that's just the thing. You have no idea if the DLC is integral to the story or not since you haven't actually played it. None of us do. And previous Bioware precedents tell us that their add-on DLC characters are not exactly integral for you to experience the full story. Also such DLC is usually nowhere near as good as the rest of the game and with due reason - they probably cut it out for a reason in the first place (and I'm not just talking about money here).

I do remember the stink people made About the Warden's Keep before DAO came out. I also remember how quickly everyone shut up about it once the game came out once they played it and realized what it actually was. Same thing will happen here. People pound their chests and denounce Bioware and EA, but once they get into the full game, they quickly forget about all that bs.

@Seppli said:

@CL60 said:

@Seppli said:

@Enigma777: I feel like if I buy a storydriven game at launch, I am entitled to the full experience/story. An integral piece of a storydriven game is simply not fair business for day 1 paid DLC -

Confirmed @ ignoring what I'm saying.

Your lack of perspective and empathy is disturbing. I do understand the facts. You just don't understand my point of view.

I don't understand your point of view because it makes no sense. The DLC tells you literally nothing important to the plot, or anything important to anything. It's a mission to get the character in your party, because people wanted that. Everything integral to the plot surrounding Protheans is in the main game, not the DLC.

@Seppli said:

@Enigma777: Dragon Age : Origin's day1-paid-DLC-exclusive storage chest was one of the most disgusting pieces of DLC I've bought in my life, albeit I'm quite sure I got that for free for preordering from my retailer. My memory is a bit fuzzy on how that went down. People made a muck about it then too, rightfully so. While I don't feel entitled to every piece of content a developer produces prior to release, I feel like if I buy a storydriven game at launch, I am entitled to the full experience/story. An integral piece of a storydriven game is simply not fair business for day 1 paid DLC - and the better the DLC is, the more of a fuck-off it is to their standard edition customers. Which makes it bad business indeed. My book of grudges slowly swells. Yarr. Or something. It'd not be hard to cockblock such brazen exploits of my weakness for their product. It's copy and paste, not crack cocaine - and the world is somewaht cavalier about it too.

But that's just the thing. You have no idea if the DLC is integral to the story or not since you haven't actually played it. None of us do. And previous Bioware precedents tell us that their add-on DLC characters are not exactly integral for you to experience the full story. Also such DLC is usually nowhere near as good as the rest of the game and with due reason - they probably cut it out for a reason in the first place (and I'm not just talking about money here).

I do remember the stink people made About the Warden's Keep before DAO came out. I also remember how quickly everyone shut up about it once the game came out once they played it and realized what it actually was. Same thing will happen here. People pound their chests and denounce Bioware and EA, but once they get into the full game, they quickly forget about all that bs.

@Seppli: You know nothing what the DLC is about. You are broadly painting a brush against Mass Effect 3 based on nothing but wild speculation.

How is this different than ME 2? They had a day 1 DLC character for that too.

                   

@Enigma777 said: @DeShawn2ks:

I don't get it, what's the kerfuffle here?

Total Biscuit will fill you in.Or you check out this 'Francis' bit...

I went into this wondering who this F*t F**k was. I came out of it wanting Francis to explain Everything in life to me. 
 
Forget about ME3, let's start with wemen. Okay, we can include FemShep, probably plays here.                   

               

So apparently buying the game new simply isn't enough anymore. I don't care if this guy's not heavily invested within the plot or whatever, I just hate the fact that he is still another party member that you have to pay extra for, when for ME2 you received Zaeed for free as a sign of patronage for buying their game new. DA: Origins you got Shale for free (who was also well integrated) too. Hell, even DA2 gave you a free new party member for buying the game new as well (if for a limited time... probably when the gears began to turn, if not long before and this was their plan all along).

And yet now you need to ante up a few more bones for what was once a customary thank you for not buying the game used? Fucking lame.

Sure, I'll still buy ME3 (well, I already have), but I won't be veering anywhere near this DLC. Is all that's separating a new and used copy the online pass now? I don't even have GOLD on my 360 so that's hardly an incentive... I wonder if this Alliance Network will run the same gamut as the Cerberus Network and offer up some goodies down the line.

@Seppli: You know nothing what the DLC is about. You are broadly painting a brush against Mass Effect 3 based on nothing but wild speculation.

For me, it was Tuesday.

This reeks of "We haven't had a good controversy in a bit, let's demonize Bioware some more". I don't mean the people who are rationally opposing this, but those who are losing their goddamn minds like day one DLC has never, ever been done before, and Mass Effect 3 will singlehandedly start the ball rolling toward a dystopian gaming future.

@Seppli:Why are you upset now and not when this was first announced? The CE edition was always going to get a playable character, is it because its a Prothean and might be important.

How is this different than ME 2? They had a day 1 DLC character for that too.

@Seppli:Why are you upset now and not when this was first announced? The CE edition was always going to get a playable character, is it because its a Prothean and might be important.

It is too late to upgrade to the CE edition for many versions of the game. This announcement was leaked and it was not biowares intention to make this content 'the reason' to get the CE.

It is too late to upgrade to the CE edition for many versions of the game. This announcement was leaked and it was not biowares intention to make this content 'the reason' to get the CE.

I dont really see what the big deal over it is. Its just like Kasumi was in Mass Effect 2 where it added her to your party and you got a mission specific to her. It being day is really dumb to be mad over since for all you know the game went gold before this piece of content was finished so it couldnt have been included in the full game anyways. It would be rather dumb of them to hold off on putting it out for a few weeks just to avoid people bitching about nothing. Its not like the collectors edition of the game is the easiest thing to find so its rather nice for those who couldn't find a copy to still be able to have access to this content.

@Seppli said:

@Dany said:

It is too late to upgrade to the CE edition for many versions of the game. This announcement was leaked and it was not biowares intention to make this content 'the reason' to get the CE.

It is a reason, both to get the CE and to be upset. Standard Edition customers are being left out, unless they pay up - at least that's the popular sentiment. I do pay up and I do share the sentiment. Outrageous - I know. Guess I'm lucky then. Switzerland's main physical games distributor is an EA subsidiary, as far as I know. It's no problem to get EA games here ever. CE's out the wazoo. I heard some of EA's competitors' sports titles are quite hard to get a hold of soon after release. Fun fact.

How is this different than any CE edition that gets perls, extra level, skin, weapon, skill pack, mod, bonus, character? Should a CE just be out of game extras?

In some way I agree that the level of CE's are getting out of control in what is considered premium content. But I am paying more to get more content out of the game, how much is too much between what I play and what you play?

Also, I found this mildly amusing

I can't stand it when people get upset over this stuff, then yells at anybody who decides they don't really care, saying 'You're what's wrong with gamers' or some such nonsense. No, I'm not what's wrong with gamers. I just want to play a FUCKING VIDEOGAME!

@Seppli said:

@PixelPrinny said:

G. Still waiting on the "GotY Edition with all of the DLC included at a much cheaper price" as I had originally intended.

I feel like those go the way of the dodo. They've already become rarer and seem to release much later, if at all. All that gets cheaper is the basic game, whilst the 'the deep end' of the experience - the DLC - remains full price FOREVER. At least that's how I perceive where the industry is moving with this. Away from GotY editions to selling cheap 'clients' for big online DLC-business.

Perhaps, but it worked for ME1 and 2, so I'll cross my fingers and hope they go for a triple play.

@Seppli said:

@Dany said:

It is too late to upgrade to the CE edition for many versions of the game. This announcement was leaked and it was not biowares intention to make this content 'the reason' to get the CE.

It is a reason, both to get the CE and to be upset. Standard Edition customers are being left out, unless they pay up - at least that's the popular sentiment. I do pay up and I do share the sentiment. Outrageous - I know. Guess I'm lucky then. Switzerland's main physical games distributor is an EA subsidiary, as far as I know. It's no problem to get EA games here ever. CE's out the wazoo. I heard some of EA's competitors' sports titles are quite hard to get a hold of soon after release. Fun fact.

How is this different than any CE edition that gets perls, extra level, skin, weapon, skill pack, mod, bonus, character? Should a CE just be out of game extras?

In some way I agree that the level of CE's are getting out of control in what is considered premium content. But I am paying more to get more content out of the game, how much is too much between what I play and what you play?

Also, I found this mildly amusing

I won't get the game for now. So I will apparently boycott it.