@deathstriker said:
@brodehouse said:
If quarians were Muslims they would have a massive empire sandwiched between two others, not be a displaced nomadic people. The quarian reference is diaspora Jews or Roma/gypsies.
A better reference for the krogan would be the Goths/Germanics of Roman times. First encounters were brief and violent, diplomacy eventually begins, the Germanics/krogan are used as intercessionary mercenaries between Rome/Council and enemies. Germanic/krogan mercenaries were considered uncivilized and brutal to the effete Romans/Council races. After doing the dirty work for so long, and receiving so little in return, there's a rebellion... only the Goths won and the krogan lost. Ironically to the Roman themed turians.
For Muslims, I was talking more about Palestinians particularly as far as losing their home and being displaced. Quarians do have the largest fleet, so it's not like they're weak. When it comes to clothing/culture, they seem to have more in common with the Middle East; some of the voice actors are from that region too. Israel is the one that's literally surrounded by enemies, I'm not sure what two forces you're referring to with Arabs.
That breaks for me because of the migrant nature of the migrant fleet. The Palestinean example would require the quarians have been locked in an ongoing struggle against the geth, rather than given up and left long ago. They're divided into very tightly-knit family centered communities, they're seen as troublemakers and pickpockets by the greater culture. While I wouldn't be surprised if elements of Muslim or Arabic elements entered them, they are heavily based on the Roma.
My 'massive empire sandwiched between two others' is the caliphate during its greatest period wedged between Imperial China and Christian Europe. And while both Muslims and quarians have a pilgrimage, they're vastly different in their meaning. Muslim pilgrimage is in most cases, leaving the outside world to travel to the heart of the religion, to show obediance and submission before returning to your outside life. Quarian pilgrimage is closer associated to Catholic good works or Protestant work ethic, it's leaving the heart of your culture to visit the outside world and return with something that betters your culture.
Your second example makes sense, but I wouldn't say more so than mine since they won. Also, I don't know if the elitism is there as far as the winning groups rationalizing their misdeeds as having "uplifted" the supposed savages, like with Krogans and Africans. Salarians and Europeans were acting in their best interests and later try to pass it off as if they did a favor to the other people. I can't say if the Romans did that since I haven't studied them deeply yet. This thread is more about your initial, perhaps subconscious connections rather than fact checking.
Oh trust me, the Romans were pretty elitist when it came to their shit. Romans viewed legal citizenship as their greatest treasure they had, but unlike Europe in the colonial period, there was no 'white man's burden' or social Darwinist theories. They held onto the privileges of their citizenship like a greedy king, and only let it go to foreigners when they ran out of options for appeasing them. The uncouth barbarians were... barbarians, and would always be so. The Romans didn't feel the need to justify savagery against foreigners as benefitting the foreigners, they viewed war as life rather than hell, though I wouldn't doubt that kind of thinking existed. It is difficult to argue that Rome's incredible infrastructure did not benefit people, that sanitation and Roman roads were not a positive influence to future growth in the area. If you perform some historiography to the post-Roman (extremely positive) interpretation of Rome, that's where you see the justification of Roman expansion, which makes me wonder if the 'we helped them by conquering them' ethos is not largely universal to superior technological powers throughout history.
Where the Europe/Africa breaks down compared to the Krogan Rebellions is the lack of the rebellion threatening the occupiers position. African rebellions are of the typically anti-colonial measure, they're largely about securing independence from the colonists. The Krogan Rebellions threatened the Council itself, they took worlds from them. The example I pulled had to have this example, it had to have the anti-imperial forces actually threatening to bring down the entire empire. Like if the American Revolution featured the Americans marching to London.
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