I think people who expect ME3 to be much more tied to ME2 than ME2 was to the first game are setting themselves up for disappointment.
The only main characters carried over into 2 were Garrus and Tali, who were the two party members who couldnt die in ME1. Ashley, Kaiden and Wrex all had minor roles in 2, but they could all die in 1. Liara didnt appear in 2 because they wanted everyone to be able to die, but Liara is a character they wanted to have an arc across all three games.
Im pretty certain that any character that can die in 2 (Shepherd apart) will have a minor role in 3 at best.
I havent played Kasumi's memory, so Im not sure if she can die, if not expect a lot more of her!
Mass Effect 3
Game » consists of 19 releases. Released Mar 06, 2012
When Earth begins to fall in an ancient cycle of destruction, Commander Shepard must unite the forces of the galaxy to stop the Reapers in the final chapter of the original Mass Effect trilogy.
People are expecting too much from ME3
I expect a macguffin in the first 10 minutes to sort all that shit out. But also, since its, like, the final game, there's no reason why they can't just include everyone. If you had more survivors, your team is bigger. But you can't take them out all at once anyway so it doesn't really matter. Its not a huge thing for them to just have some of the survivors on the ship from the beginning. They only have like 5 conversations in them anyway.
" I expect a macguffin in the first 10 minutes to sort all that shit out. But also, since its, like, the final game, there's no reason why they can't just include everyone. If you had more survivors, your team is bigger. But you can't take them out all at once anyway so it doesn't really matter. Its not a huge thing for them to just have some of the survivors on the ship from the beginning. They only have like 5 conversations in them anyway. "Pretty much that.
I don't expect many of the crew to return, and I don't really care. Personally I considered them the weakest part of ME2. There was just too many members, and the result that was I never really got to feel them, like I did with the crew in ME1 that was tighter but they were more involved.
I fully expect not to see any of them again (at least outside of a cameo) and that's fine.
Logistically speaking, It will be much easier for Bioware to branch out ME3's story than ME2. So I guess I'm expecting a lot, yeah. Personally I'm hoping for a "you failed, the reapers wiped out the galaxy" ending if you don't play your cards right, but I'm not holding my breath.
Truthfully I don't know what to expect from ME3. I'm certain it'll be a top quality game, but the variables for everything to do with the story, and just how it'll play and what enemies you'll fight against, I haven't put so much thought towards. Better of this way, so it'll surprise me all the more when they start announcing stuff.
" Pretty much that. I don't expect many of the crew to return, and I don't really care. Personally I considered them the weakest part of ME2. There was just too many members, and the result that was I never really got to feel them, like I did with the crew in ME1 that was tighter but they were more involved. I fully expect not to see any of them again (at least outside of a cameo) and that's fine. "Yep. I felt there were too many crew members, as well. Then again, the mission requires a bunch of people. I'm hoping the third game will keep the crew tighter, making for more personal and in-depth conversations.
And @wobag:
I'm not expecting an amazing experience, honestly. Mass Effect 1 really grabbed me. It inspired me to learn a shit-load about the universe, and made me take an Astronomy course in college. Obviously, the second game wasn't going to live up to my expectations... and it didn't. So I've learned my lesson. I'm really just expecting a good game. Really, though... it's gonna come down to one thing: TaliZorah Vas Normandy... SHOW YOURSELF!
I'm amazed that anyone could consider the first game better than the second.. which I felt was a huge improvement in every single aspect. And the first game was already rather amazing.
But unlike ME1, ME2 was designed with ME3 in mind and it's something we already know they've working on and was planned out alongside ME2. The choices and actions, etc, should all carry over far more fluidly than they did from 1 -> 2. Hopefully resulting in more than just emails telling us what happened previously.
I have no idea how they'll handle the characters, but considering the second game was all about putting together a team, it'd be pretty sad if that's all ignored for the third and we're left having to put together a new team. That being said, I could see several members just being on the ship and having a few lines, not actually being proper party members.
" I'm amazed that anyone could consider the first game better than the second.. which I felt was a huge improvement in every single aspect. "Well, personally, I definitely think ME2 is the better game. However, I think Mass Effect 1 had a better story. ME2 had a lot of dead weight in my mind. There was so many crew members, and most of the game was devoted to their little stories, but there was still so little of them that I never felt connected to any of them. As a result, even though the 'story missions' in ME2 were absolutely amazing, there was a lot of missions that felt like filler to me in ME2. Granted it did kind of come together in the end where the crew members served as gameplay choices, but still, that didn't make up for repetitive missions on the way. I really wish ME2 ditched half the crew members, spent the time on their missions on 2 or 3 more story missions related to the collectors/reapers, and then this would also allow the crew members they kept to be more involved and as such I'd have felt closer to them.
But yeah. ME2 is a better game from a technical, gameplay and graphics standpoint. But I think ME1 had a better story. Everything in the story and events felt tighter, much like how ME2s shooting felt tighter.
Although, one thing I will give ME2 is that the cutscenes were amazingly done. They were pretty good in ME1, but they lacked 'style' (which I don't mind, that's not a negative. it showed what was going on and that was good enough), style which ME2 had. I still occasionally watch cut scenes from ME2 and admire the cinematography.
Overall, I think I prefer ME1. But I wasn't really disappointed by ME2, and I hope ME3 manages to be the best one.
ME2 created a bottleneck at both ends of the narrative to make the carryover cleaner. Considering 2's ending (as in the very last scene), they could easily force any number of characters to be dead for everyone. And considering how ME2 began, they could very easily force any number of characters to be alive for everyone.
http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=7004" I'm amazed that anyone could consider the first game better than the second.. which I felt was a huge improvement in every single aspect. And the first game was already rather amazing. But unlike ME1, ME2 was designed with ME3 in mind and it's something we already know they've working on and was planned out alongside ME2. The choices and actions, etc, should all carry over far more fluidly than they did from 1 -> 2. Hopefully resulting in more than just emails telling us what happened previously. I have no idea how they'll handle the characters, but considering the second game was all about putting together a team, it'd be pretty sad if that's all ignored for the third and we're left having to put together a new team. That being said, I could see several members just being on the ship and having a few lines, not actually being proper party members. "
I recommend the overlord dlc if you havent bought it yet. It is probably the best dlc that has come out of Bioware.
I wish all of the dlc´s would have the same kind of quality that Overlod has. Though "Lair of the Shadowbroker" isnt bad too
I just think that it lacks the emotional impat that the overlord has....at least for me.
I have no doubt ME3 will be awesome, but what I'd really like to see is a more classic sci-fi story going on like in ME1. Back to the reaper focus I guess, and that could be the main focus considering..the DLC linkage to the ME 3 storyline. Movement and combat will prolly be smoothed out even more, and I'd welcome as many new characters as possible, but I do agree that deeper convo options trumps number of characters. And while I really liked Overlord, Shadowbroker was incredible, and easily Bioware's best DLC effort ever.
" @BRich said:Really? Were you using Garrus and Tali or something?" @Azteck: As far as I know he couldn't die. You did have the option of never adding him to your team though. "He died for me on my first run so I have no idea what you're on about. "
I don't care what others are expecting out of ME3.
I like the series and I'm sure that the third installment will be good.
Well, one of the developers at Bioware said that since they don't have to worry about carrying your decisions into a fourth game, Mass Effect 3 is going to be the game where all the shit you've been doing in the first and second games can play out in wildly different ways. So I guess I'm expecting that.
Also, I really can't wrap my head around the idea than anyone thought the characters were better in Mass Effect 1.
With all the different ways the story can play out Bioware have a massive job on their hands making sure everything fits together in Mass Effect 3 but to make all the Mass Effect 2 members minor characters? No, I think Bioware know that would be a big mistake. Granted, with it being possible for any and all of Mass Effect 2's crew being able to die it would be a lot easier for them if they did that but having Garrus and Tali on your crew in the second game really gave a feeling that you were connecting with some of the characters you had in the first game and with some people even more attached to the characters in Mass Effect 2 than the original Mass Effect people are seriously going to want to see at least some of their previous party carry over. Bioware have made two amazing Mass Effect games so far and I don't expect them to let us down with the third instalment.
I didn't like what they did to the Vanguard class in ME2 or how they dumbed down the inventory and equipment. The new system is just so contrived and silly. I can't buy more medigel and heavy ammo between missions? REALLY? I'm flying around in my own starship here! Got a mass effect warp core and everything! I can't make that happen?!
I liked the original thermal system for the weapons. No, it wasn't about munchkin sniper rifles either. It was new and cool and it worked. Heatsink clips are dumb. One step above just clips of ammo but still dumb.
The only thing left for me in ME2 that isn't crap is the branching story. Luckily for them it is a great story.
So my only REAL expectations for ME3 is a great story and some awesome dialog.
I know they won't be able to build 3D level geometry without glitches and holes or fix the movement and cover system. I know they'll mess around with powers and weapons and crap all that up again.
I like scanning planets, I like the hovercraft, and I LOVE my old Mako :/ I miss my Mako.
I'm tentatively hoping for a wildly branching story since they don't have to tie anything off after ME3 but I don't expect it. Come on Bioware, make some of the story branches ridiculous! Shepard and Jack get wild and go after The Illusive Man with crowbars and blow torches. Mordin and Grunt get into shirtless fistfights on CIC deck. Krogan civil war. Geth take over the flotilla. The council are all reaper plants/thralls. Mass mayhem and planets exploding.
yeah, mostly we expect ME 3 too much. we wish that it would be even better than ME 2. yes, we want. why not? I believe that Bioware will deliver the quality we want. don't you want? don't assume that they wouldn't do. you never know. until now, they have really worked hard to keep our expectation on ME 2. so far I love them. they made great game, DLC. that's why I expect more.
" @Azteck said:Yeah. I was being really careless with who I sent where and such. I fixed that later in my Veteran run though, but I'm certain that Garrus was eaten by the flies at the end." @BRich said:Really? Were you using Garrus and Tali or something? "" @Azteck: As far as I know he couldn't die. You did have the option of never adding him to your team though. "He died for me on my first run so I have no idea what you're on about. "
I expect that u have to pick between the people who lived through your me1 play through and your me2 play through. And decided to go against cerebrus with ashley and the other me1's. Or be with miranda and cerebrus and keep me1 chars from stopping your doing something. I think that would be sweet as i have played through both and had all live at the end of me 2 and most of my me1 chars live.
I'm just going to go out on a limb and say that they'll bring everyone from ME1 who survived back. So you'll get Liara (possibly) Ashley/Kaiden and probably Wrex. Plus at least two of your party members had to survive the suicide mission, otherwise Shepard dies. So you've got at least two people plus whoever survived, plus two from the first game, plus whoever they introduce new. I think they're perfectly capable of making your decisions from ME2 carry over just fine. I somehow doubt they're going to hype up how characters can die and then just resurrect them with some weak-ass explanation.
Bioware's track record thus far is pretty spotless, so I don't get where all this "Oh they don't care and they're just going to magic away everything in the third one" mentality is coming from. Besides, they also said there'd be consequences for infidelity. What better way than to bring that person into your party and have them INSTANTLY disloyal?
@CH3BURASHKA said:
" Cool your heels; Mirror's Edge 2 hasn't even been announced yet, let alone 3. "HAW!
I'll keep my high expectations. I had super high expectations for ME2, and in ways it let me down, but it was still an awesome game.
Mass Effect 2 was one of the best games ever made, but I'm still going into Mass Effect 3 with realistic expectations. And I'm sure I won't be disappointed.
I have tons of expectations for this game. It's supposed the be the end of an epic trilogy, so it better be damn good. I want the ME universe to be wrapped up in a perfect ending for the series as I am so invested in the lore and and information the game gives you. It's like asking people if they were excited for "Return of the Jedi" after "Empire" albeit not to the same extent. I'm very much excited to see how the story pans out.
Who doesn't have expectations for this game? Well aside from those that don't like the games, but who really cares about those people?
" @BRich said:You are misremembering ME1. Garrus could not die in the first Mass Effect, neither could Tali. This is supported by the fact that Garrus is a recruitable character in ME2 regardless of the decisions you made in ME1." @Azteck: As far as I know he couldn't die. You did have the option of never adding him to your team though. "He died for me on my first run so I have no idea what you're on about. "
" @Azteck said:I misunderstood you. I thought you were talking about Mass Effect 2. My bad. You're right in that case." @BRich said:You are misremembering ME1. Garrus could not die in the first Mass Effect, neither could Tali. This is supported by the fact that Garrus is a recruitable character in ME2 regardless of the decisions you made in ME1. "" @Azteck: As far as I know he couldn't die. You did have the option of never adding him to your team though. "He died for me on my first run so I have no idea what you're on about. "
" @RVonE said:I see. Then it all makes sense :)" @Azteck said:I misunderstood you. I thought you were talking about Mass Effect 2. My bad. You're right in that case. "" @BRich said:You are misremembering ME1. Garrus could not die in the first Mass Effect, neither could Tali. This is supported by the fact that Garrus is a recruitable character in ME2 regardless of the decisions you made in ME1. "" @Azteck: As far as I know he couldn't die. You did have the option of never adding him to your team though. "He died for me on my first run so I have no idea what you're on about. "
I expect a game of the year, which is what I consider Mass Effect 2 to be. I trust Bioware implicitly, they've never let me down so far.
" I think people who expect ME3 to be much more tied to ME2 than ME2 was to the first game are setting themselves up for disappointment. The only main characters carried over into 2 were Garrus and Tali, who were the two party members who couldnt die in ME1. Ashley, Kaiden and Wrex all had minor roles in 2, but they could all die in 1. Liara didnt appear in 2 because they wanted everyone to be able to die, but Liara is a character they wanted to have an arc across all three games. Im pretty certain that any character that can die in 2 (Shepherd apart) will have a minor role in 3 at best. I havent played Kasumi's memory, so Im not sure if she can die, if not expect a lot more of her! "Well sir you can think that but you are wrong. Of course, I don't think that any character from the second game will have major roles inte the third game, but with that said we have - Ashley/Kaiden, Wrex, Captain Anderson, Joker and many more from the first game that will have a major role. I think that BioWare knows what they are doing and the way Mass Effect 2 will tie into Mass Effect 3 is certainly not by having the same characters show up. I mean, every decicion you made in the first and second game will kind of carry over. Did you save the rachni or not? Did you shoot Wrex or not? Did you save the council etc. There's so much you did in Mass Effect 1 for this game! No need to worry about being disappointed.
I always had a small theory that if a certain character died like Grunt (regardless of whether Wrex is dead or not) then you would automatically pick up or even have a chance to fail to recruit the new krogan member. If Grunt lives then you may end up having to choose between. I think that sort of scenario will happen a few times at some point.
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