So...Max Payne is dead.

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#1 Edited by TheDudeOfGaming (6078 posts) -

Yep, you saw the God damn trailer. They killed Max Payne! YOU BASTARDS! Seriously though, what happened to that bad ass detective, with a bad ass voice, that went around the streets of neo-noir New York cleaning up the scum of the earth? What happened to him? What happened to his story of avenging his dead family, that cold, horrific, depressing and unforgettable story? Now we get a 50+ year old bald guy (ok, shaved head) with a not so bad ass beard working for some f***ing security company in...Sao Paulo? This is why it was better if the series simply ended with Max Payne 2, instead, now they'll ruin a near perfect franchise by publishing this unholy garbage. The game might be good, but I'm ready to bet 50$ right here, right now, that the story, dialogue and the setting (most of all the setting), won't be anywhere near the level of the first two games.

In conclusion, Rockstar, you fucking suck from here on out.

Edit:

Changes included in Max Payne 3, from the official Giantbomb Max Payne 3 page.

  • Max's weapon capacity is now more realistic, whereas he could carry an unlimited amount of weapons in the other games, now he has to pick between what weapons he wants to carry.
  • Max can use human shields.
  • A cover system will be in the game.
  • Max can perform life-saving kill shots if he is near death.
  • If he manages to kill his killer before the screen goes black, he'll spring back to life due to an "adrenaline boost".
  • Some form of multiplayer will be included.

Really Rockstar? Really?

I'd also like to add, that i hope my first impressions turn out to be completely wrong and the game turns out to be even better than the first two games. But hey, first impressions are first impressions.

#2 Posted by Fluxxed (81 posts) -

I saw the trailer and suddenly know everything about this game.

Believe me, I'm an internet asshole.

#3 Posted by HandsomeDead (11863 posts) -

They've gone from making a game with heavy noir trappings to completely pastiching Man on Fire. Garbage. Absolute garbage.

#4 Edited by Ventilaator (1501 posts) -

I'm hoping this turns out to be the Devil May Cry thing, where the first trailer shows about a billion bad decisions and when they show actual gameplay it looks totally right.

#5 Posted by MooseyMcMan (10922 posts) -

Yes, because clearly they should just make the game exactly the same as the older ones, instead of trying something different.

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#6 Edited by TheDudeOfGaming (6078 posts) -

@Fluxxed said:

I saw the trailer and suddenly know everything about this game.

Believe me, I'm an internet asshole.

I'll talk to you when the game's released buddy. And I'll be all pompous, saying: "I fucking told you so!" Unfortunately, that won't help me, as i would be pompously talking about how i was right that a game would suck on release (compared to its predecessor). Hell, I hope I'm wrong, i want it to be a good game, but yeah, don't have a lot of faith in that happening.

@MooseyMcMan: Fuck, i don't want to get into the whole discussion of "what makes a good sequel" and "how much a game should be changed" again. In any case, don't you think they changed a bit too much?

#7 Posted by SSully (4169 posts) -

@Ventilaator said:

I'm hoping this turns out to be the Devil May Cry thing, where the first trailer shows about a billion bad decisions and when they show actual gameplay it looks totally right.

Nothing in that trailer shows the gameplay will be bad. All they need for the gameplay to be good is cover based third person shooting where you can slow move dive and shoot guys in the face, and the trailer showed that.

The tone of the game is still dark and gritty, but because it isnt in new york and he isnt wearing a leather jacket this game sucks i guess.

#8 Edited by Ghost_Cat (1431 posts) -

From the way Max Payne 2 ended, I am fine with this direction. All I care about is the story, and I like the idea of Max becoming a loser. I would have been disappointed if kept going down the same path. Just give me a good noir script.

#9 Posted by BulletproofMonk (2720 posts) -

I'd be worried if it wasn't developed by Rockstar. I have faith in those guys to make a great Max Payne game.

#10 Edited by AhmadMetallic (18955 posts) -
@MooseyMcMan said: 

Yes, because clearly they should just make the game exactly the same as the older ones, instead of trying something different.

Yes. because choosing something different even if it's bad is better than sticking to the old formula and expanding on it, because innovation. You do know that this is a sequel, right? It's supposed to follow in its predecessor's steps. 
New/different isn't mandatory for a game to be 'legit'  
 
Edit: Now that I've watched the trailer, I'm even more confused. I don't know whether the game is looking good or bad, I just don't
#11 Posted by Cloudenvy (5891 posts) -

Jebus, shut up will you?

#12 Edited by Garfield518 (404 posts) -

People complain when a game series doesn't change at all throughout its sequels.

People also complain when a game series changes throughout its sequels.

The whole "gamer" society is a bunch of indecisive assholes.

#13 Posted by Djratchet (669 posts) -

Having not played the first two Max Payne games, I am vaguely interested in part 3. I think I will be able to enjoy the game because I won't be screaming BUT ITS NOT LIKE THE OLD ONES every five seconds. I feel the same way about Ninja Theory's work on DmC.

#14 Posted by ProfessorEss (7324 posts) -

I think it looks like it has potential.  

But to be fair, I like to live in the present and franchise sequels rarely affect my fond memories of previous installments. 
I just don't have that white-knuckled death-grip that so many people seem have on their beloved franchises from the past.

#15 Posted by atomic_dumpling (2470 posts) -

@Ghost_Cat said:

Just give me a good noir script.

Utterly impossible with a tropical setting. That's the anti-noir.

#16 Posted by FUMN (84 posts) -

It had to change because Bullettime has been beaten to death. Sorry if 8 year old ideas can no longer sustain an entire game.

#17 Posted by OwnlyUzinWonHan (1480 posts) -

I'm gonna call it, at some point Max will clean up his look, put on a jacket and voila, Max Payne 2 Max. Did they decide which ending was canonical from 2?

#18 Posted by Klei (1768 posts) -

There's always someone like TC to bitch about every game release.

#19 Posted by TheDudeOfGaming (6078 posts) -

@Klei: Always and anywhere...and ALWAYS!

#20 Posted by SynticV1 (53 posts) -

The basics of the series are there. Girl is important to Max, something happens to girl, Max tears down the city. I wonder if the influences on Max' decisions or the direction of the story will be from the political climate that he's put himself in. Meaning, 'We've always been a target....Protecting people who need protection.' He'll probably get tangled up like he always does and blow it all to hell.

I honestly thought the trailer looked great, can't wait for this one.

#21 Posted by nomorehalfmeasuresdoctor (143 posts) -

The gameplay is not the problem as you would have to be delusional to think it's going to play anything like the original games. All they showed in the trailer though were a bunch of edited clips. I would like to see a few minutes of uninterrupted gameplay before I rush to conclusions on what it is or isn't. The thing that troubles me is that Max Payne had a specific tone and I'm not talking about the setting or that the game has to take place at night. Max and the people in his world all spoke a certain way and conveyed messages from a certain viewpoint. Thanks to Sam Lake and Remedy who did a great job building that world. I like Rockstar but just judging from this short trailer the people in there including Max sound like they're out of a Rockstar production and not from the world inhabited by Max Payne 1 and 2

#22 Posted by Catarrhal (826 posts) -

I'm totally ambivalent. But if I didn't know better, I could've mistaken that trailer for a Kane & Lynch sequel.

#23 Posted by benjaebe (2783 posts) -

The writing is the thing that bothers me the most. Sam Lake is going to be sorely missed.

#24 Posted by Toms115 (2316 posts) -

"Max's weapon capacity is now more realistic, whereas he could carry an unlimited amount of weapons in the other games, now he has to pick between what weapons he wants to carry."

"Max can perform life-saving kill shots if he is near death. If he manages to kill his killer before the screen goes black, he'll spring back to life due to an 'adrenaline boost'"

pick one, rockstar. can't have both realistic and unrealistic.

#25 Posted by Ghost_Cat (1431 posts) -

@atomic_dumpling said:

@Ghost_Cat said:

Just give me a good noir script.

Utterly impossible with a tropical setting. That's the anti-noir.

Not true. I can hear it in the dialog. Plus I have a strong notion Max will have to make his way back to NYC sometime in the game.

#26 Posted by TonicBH (271 posts) -

@TheDudeOfGaming said:

Changes included in Max Payne 3, from the official Giantbomb Max Payne 3 page.

  • Max's weapon capacity is now more realistic, whereas he could carry an unlimited amount of weapons in the other games, now he has to pick between what weapons he wants to carry.
  • Max can use human shields.
  • A cover system will be in the game.
  • Max can perform life-saving kill shots if he is near death.
  • If he manages to kill his killer before the screen goes black, he'll spring back to life due to an "adrenaline boost".
  • Some form of multiplayer will be included.

Really Rockstar? Really?

I'd also like to add, that i hope my first impressions turn out to be completely wrong and the game turns out to be even better than the first two games. But hey, first impressions are first impressions.

Jeez, jump to conclusions much?

  • As long as Max can hold more than two weapons (like in every other shooter) I don't care.
  • Not a bad thing, adds to the gameplay.
  • Neither is this.
  • Or this.
  • I've been waiting for a good slow-motion deathmatch multiplayer since back in 2003-04 with The Specialists . Max Payne seriously NEEDED multiplayer, even back in the Max Payne 2 days, that Dead Man Walking stuff was only fun once or twice. As long as it doesn't suck balls, we should be fine.

I can live without Sam Lake writing the story (although it might've helped), and now with them confirming James McCaffrey is back as Max I couldn't give a fuck how they approach the game as long as I'm diving and shooting dudes in slow motion just like the old days. Now if they take that away I'll be sad.

#27 Posted by ryanwho (12082 posts) -

I miss his "I just ate shit" face because I miss stupid shit the extremely flawed original game had cus nostalgia guys.

Where is the awful platforming? Fuck this game.

#28 Posted by Witzig (327 posts) -

@Garfield518 said:

People complain when a game series doesn't change at all throughout its sequels.

People also complain when a game series changes throughout its sequels.

The whole "gamer" society is a bunch of indecisive assholes.

so true...

#29 Posted by Venatio (4491 posts) -

Can't wait to play Max Payne 3, so it seems that I disagree with you

#30 Posted by Twisted_Scot (1177 posts) -
@Garfield518 said:

People complain when a game series doesn't change at all throughout its sequels.

People also complain when a game series changes throughout its sequels.

The whole "gamer" society is a bunch of indecisive assholes.

Well said. If the game is good, I'll play & enjoy it. If it sucks I'll ignore it.
#31 Posted by Jerome85 (258 posts) -

@Djratchet said:

Having not played the first two Max Payne games, I am vaguely interested in part 3. I think I will be able to enjoy the game because I won't be screaming BUT ITS NOT LIKE THE OLD ONES every five seconds. I feel the same way about Ninja Theory's work on DmC.

And... your opinion doesn't matter.

#32 Posted by TooWalrus (13178 posts) -

REALLY!? Rockstar's been making SHIT games lately, Red Dead Redemption, LA Noire, GTAIV, all fuckin' garbage! There's no way I'M going to wait and see if the final product is any good before I pass judgement.

#33 Edited by JEC03 (898 posts) -

When I first saw the look I hated it a year ago but now I really don't mind it both max payne 1 and 2 characters look completely different too this is just a continuation of that. I'm open to change I'm actually fine with the look and setting Rockstar are great with developing good stories and gameplay just be glad it ain't Activation.Also I think its awesome that you can dual different type of guns that sounds like it could be fun I like it also using human shields is always fun to me.

#34 Posted by NcJoker (11 posts) -

@HandsomeDead: Pastiching?

#35 Posted by Fluxxed (81 posts) -

@Jerome85 said:

@Djratchet said:

Having not played the first two Max Payne games, I am vaguely interested in part 3. I think I will be able to enjoy the game because I won't be screaming BUT ITS NOT LIKE THE OLD ONES every five seconds. I feel the same way about Ninja Theory's work on DmC.

And... your opinion doesn't matter.

Yeah, unless you're voicing your impotent nerd rage you can shut the fuck up!

#36 Posted by Deathmachine117 (377 posts) -

Calm down all they have done is released a few screenshots and a trailer. Il wait until I see a decent length gameplay demo before I jump to "THEY DUN RUINED MAH MAX PAYNE" mentality.

#37 Posted by bybeach (4792 posts) -

One of the most unforgettable scenes in the first Max Payne was the arch villain exhorting her soldiers.'You are better trained than him, You are better armed than him, and there is only him and all of you'..something like that. They had no idea how much pain, partially alleviated by running pills, he was willing to endure. How much suffering he would take. You could of called him a walking dead man, but not before he got those who murdered his loved ones and reason for life,no amount of pain, no insurmountable odds. Max Payne 2 didn't really lose this, and this is what I look for in a Max Payne game. A dark rainswept setting and just not just 'they done me wrong!'

#38 Edited by Afroman269 (7387 posts) -

@NcJoker said:

@HandsomeDead: Pastiching?

imitate a style, use a dictionary.

#39 Posted by ryanwho (12082 posts) -

I like for very dramatic noir to be told through comic book panels that look like they took about a day to throw together. I certainly hope those weren't replaced with cutscenes or something. Moving pictures are for jerks.

#40 Posted by TheDudeOfGaming (6078 posts) -

@ryanwho said:

I like for very dramatic noir to be told through comic book panels that look like they took about a day to throw together. I certainly hope those weren't replaced with cutscenes or something. Moving pictures are for jerks.

Shit, coming from you, I'll have to reflect upon that statement.

#41 Edited by Lazyaza (2176 posts) -

Only an idiot harshly judges a game before it is released. I for one am quite interested in playing a shooter where the protagonist is a bald fat old guy and the game mechanics sound nifty. Then again maybe it will be a steaming turd but I'm not going to make that assumption now when I have little more than a handful of text, some screenshots and a non-gameplay footage short trailer to go by.

#42 Posted by gamb1t (965 posts) -

you people are to close minded and cant knock it till you try it. whats wrong with you nerds. you guys passjudgement off a trailer?

#43 Posted by DrPockets000 (2859 posts) -

The trailer had some dregs of what made Payne so great. Holding out hope that the final game will have more than that.

#44 Posted by CaptainObvious (2997 posts) -

I FEAR CHANGE.

#45 Edited by Metaltron (32 posts) -

@Ventilaator: hopefully, but yet another bald character. And at least its not Mark Walburg.

Am i the only one but does Max (in the grey suit) look like Kane from Kane and Lynch 2 Dog Days

#46 Posted by ma_rc_01 (363 posts) -

As long as his weapon capacity is two pistols, I'm good.

#47 Posted by Sooty (8082 posts) -

I'm more worried about whether or not the gunplay will be competent. Or clunky and shitty like L.A. Noire and GTA IV's.

Seriously the original Max Payne plays better than L.A. Noire does.

#48 Posted by JeanLuc (3579 posts) -

Maybe its just because I've never played the other Max Payne games but I thought it looked pretty good.

#49 Edited by Metaltron (32 posts) -

I dont know about you, but this games looks pretty bad ass, dark and gritty. I got nothing to complain about except for making him bald (Although it looks cool. It just another bald protagonist)

Plus it will redeem his name from that movie. Which, wasn't bad by any means. It just wasn't the Max Payne story.

WTF was up with a super fake ass drug that made people see "Norse Valkyries"?

#50 Posted by NTM (7344 posts) -

I love the first two, a lot, but this looks good. I got the Man on Fire vibe too, but in the end I don't think it'll end up that way. I'm sure this is will be "old" footage compared to what it'll actually be. I'm excited about it, and its way better than nothing. Plus, if not Remedy, Rockstar is the perfect people to go to for a sequel. Maybe it's not the Max Payne we know and love (though closer than I expected), but you can bet that it'll be of great quality.

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