So Gametrailers gave it 8.1...

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#1 Posted by h0lgr (908 posts) -

While I don't have any issue with a reviewer saying it's worth 8.1 points on his scale, this one clearly wasn't
thought out that well. Listen to what the narrator is saying throughout the video, and you'll know what I'm talking about.
From the first minute he's critizising it for its various problems, all throughout until the end.  At which point he suddenly throws
8.1 out of the sky.  
 
I need to know that I'm not alone here - I need some Giant Bomb expert help. Ignore any other reviews for a second, just watch this
and see for yourself if it adds up..
 
I smell something very strange going on here. This doesn't happen all that often, but when it does,
you can be damn sure that we see it coming, GT. A mile away.
 
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#2 Edited by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -

Gametrailers matters very little to people after giving COD GOTY.  
 
Not to mention the ads for the game all over their site. 

#3 Posted by h0lgr (908 posts) -
@The_Laughing_Man: It was a very, very, very good, well designed, neatly packaged game, with awesome tense SP moments and a great value, with co-op and multiplayer.
This one, not so much.
#4 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@h0lgr said:
" @The_Laughing_Man: It was a very, very, very good, well designed, neatly packaged game, with awesome tense SP moments and a great value, with co-op and multiplayer. This one, not so much. "
No. I am saying it does not matter to many people. And that it made a lot of people mad. I for one did not care. 
#5 Posted by h0lgr (908 posts) -
@The_Laughing_Man: Oh, yeah. Agreed. And yeah, that "Hour One" feature yesterday or whenever it was... It's pretty clear to me now.
#6 Posted by FourWude (2261 posts) -

Shenanigans seem afoot around this game.

#7 Posted by Jeust (10642 posts) -
#8 Posted by h0lgr (908 posts) -
@Jeust: thanks for that ^^
#9 Posted by Jeust (10642 posts) -
@h0lgr said:
" @Jeust: thanks for that ^^ "
No problem! :)
#10 Posted by Raymayne (1226 posts) -
@The_Laughing_Man said:
" Gametrailers matters very little to people after giving COD GOTY.   Not to mention the ads for the game all over their site.  "
Jeff gave CoD GotY.
#11 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@Raymayne said:
" @The_Laughing_Man said:
" Gametrailers matters very little to people after giving COD GOTY.   Not to mention the ads for the game all over their site.  "
Jeff gave CoD GotY. "
Again I said I DID NOT CARE. The people did. 
#12 Posted by Twazuk (178 posts) -

Well they fucked up in the first line saying that "Medal of Honor has yet to make its HD debut." 
What about Airborne? I remember playing that on my PS3. 

#13 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@Twazuk said:
" Well they fucked up in the first line saying that "Medal of Honor has yet to make its HD debut." What about Airborne? I remember playing that on my PS3.  "
I do not think airborn was IN hd. 
#15 Posted by destruktive (1069 posts) -

It's kinda weird that the average of their scores comes in at 7.7
How did they figure out 8.1?

#16 Posted by h0lgr (908 posts) -
@UKSamwise: Which is fucked up, the commentary makes it sound like a 6-6.5 game
#17 Posted by MannyMAR (450 posts) -

All their reviews are like that, sometimes they'll do the opposite where they'll say all this stuff that makes the game seem awesome then slam it with a 6 or 7.

#18 Posted by valrog (3671 posts) -

Wait, wait, wait. GameTrailers. Reviews. You should NOT take that seriously.
 
"We spent 2000 dollars and well over a week upgrading our rig, and we still couldn't run it on the highest settings." - GameTrailers Video Game Experts (Crysis Review)
"The AI is so good, it's bad." - GameTrailers Video Game Experts S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Review
Then there is...

  • Crysis not even nominated for Best Graphics Award. Furthermore, Call of Duty 4 won it.
  • Modern Warfare 2 winning every award possible on every Platform
  • Kirby's Epic Yarn won Best Graphics
  •  Sniping with a Shotgun and then complained about poor accuracy (S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Review)
  • Halo 3 Story scores more than Metal Gear Solid 4 Story
  •  "To be perfectly honest with you, the 9.3 that game got is about as high a score a game like that will EVER get on GameTrailers. And that's the bottom line. When we review games we put an EXTREMELY high emphasis on originality." - Shane Satterfield
 
So don't ever, EVER try to use a pathetic excuse of a Reviewing site that is GT for your argument.
#19 Posted by nohthink (1223 posts) -
@h0lgr: .... I thought MW2 sp sucked.... The first one was great. The second one, not so much. The game deserved high score purely because of its multiplayer, which is not a bad thing. I'm just saying SP sucked. Just throwing it out there. 
 
But yeah it is strange for them to give MoH a surprisingly high score after all that criticisms. Yesterday, GT took its cameras to Snoop Dogg and New Boyz and showed them playing MoH and posted it up. It's a shameful marketing but whatever. Money talks. 
#20 Posted by h0lgr (908 posts) -
@nohthink: OK, to each his own. Sure, money talks, but money shouldn't talk when judgements are to be made.
This will affect thousands of "gamers" who will go out buying the game based on the 8.1 score it got from GT.
#21 Posted by MAN_FLANNEL (2462 posts) -

Yeah, kind of weird. Seeing as the game is plastered all over the website, you think it would be a case where the review ignored some of the games faults. It seems like they did the video review with around a 7 in mind, and last minute some guy said "that score is too low, give it an 8.1. Don't want to piss off EA". 

#22 Posted by nohthink (1223 posts) -
@h0lgr: lol and I bet(of course, this is just me assuming) about 80% of people who bought the game based on that review will actually like the game. There are not that many "gamers" like us. We judge the game very critically and are able to draw some parallels with CoD. But the chances are, most people will think "oh this is another CoD type of game. Oh, I get to shoot Talibans? Oh shit, Tier 1? HELLL YEEAAH!!!" It's a game that is targeting for a mass market that CoD has created. There is nothing wrong with that.  
 
Of course, we, as gamers, don't like that because we feel like we're being tricked by it. It is pretty sad but really, that's how the business works. The game is not targeting for us per se. It is trying to jump on the modern FPS market, which, to be quiet honest, not a risky move in this day and age. As long as it looks something like CoD, which MoH clearly does, you'll probably make enough profits to make a sequel, which what they are targeting. Again, I'm assuming.  
 
If you wanna keep your job, you gotta do what you gotta do. GT doesn't wanna be another Jeff Gerstmann. Look what happened to Gamespot. I stopped going to gamespot and I still get an e-mail from them once in a while. It is better to be a suck up rather than to be in a middle of controversies. Sad. But true. 
#23 Posted by natetodamax (19204 posts) -

Score wasn't all that surprising. But what annoyed me more was how he kept pronouncing multiplayer as "multaplayer"

#24 Edited by ch13696 (4582 posts) -

This is exactly why I stopped paying attention to reviews. Even the ones here. Here's the other reasons: 
 
-Crappy reviewers 
-Conspiracy theories (publishers paying to give good/bad reviews)
-Scores don't match reviews 
 
I'm sure there are legit reviewers, but at this point for me, I can't listen to any reviewers anymore. Besides you feel knowing that you make your own decisions. 
 
And on top of that, most of what GT is complaining about are the same problems in other shooters. Also, the controlling issue should not shift how they feel about a game. Everyone adopted the Call of Duty controlling. If it works, don't fix it.

#25 Posted by Meteora (5787 posts) -
@nohthink said:
" @h0lgr: .... I thought MW2 sp sucked.... The first one was great. The second one, not so much. The game deserved high score purely because of its multiplayer, which is not a bad thing. I'm just saying SP sucked. Just throwing it out there.  But yeah it is strange for them to give MoH a surprisingly high score after all that criticisms. Yesterday, GT took its cameras to Snoop Dogg and New Boyz and showed them playing MoH and posted it up. It's a shameful marketing but whatever. Money talks.  "
For a "hollywood budget" single player cluttered up with over the top moment, it was actually a pretty good single player. The problem was the frantic and chaotic pacing of it, which made it less well designed than COD4 and on another note, less memorable. 
 
Also I don't really care about reviews on other sites. Most reviews are pretty straight forward and makes sense, but there are a few that are pretty obscure for one reason or another.
#26 Posted by ch13696 (4582 posts) -
@nohthink: You make a lot of sense. Just have to point out that Battlefield actually started that market. Not Call of Duty.
#27 Posted by altbotdos (124 posts) -

There are 2 incredibly untrustworthy places for game reviews. One being Game Trailers, the other being Game Informer. 
 
There are others, but these are a 9.5 out of 10 in dirty reviewing.

#28 Edited by smashforge (33 posts) -

They verbally praise Enslaved and then gave it a 8.2   Then rag on MoH and give it a 8.1 in the same month. Thats Gametrailers 
in a nutshell for you.
 

#29 Posted by sharma55 (458 posts) -
@h0lgr said:
" While I don't have any issue with a reviewer saying it's worth 8.1 points on his scale, this one clearly wasn't
thought out that well. Listen to what the narrator is saying throughout the video, and you'll know what I'm talking about.
From the first minute he's critizising it for its various problems, all throughout until the end.  At which point he suddenly throws
8.1 out of the sky.  
 
I need to know that I'm not alone here - I need some Giant Bomb expert help. Ignore any other reviews for a second, just watch this
and see for yourself if it adds up..
 
I smell something very strange going on here. This doesn't happen all that often, but when it does,
you can be damn sure that we see it coming, GT. A mile away.
 
Video Source "
Dude I IM'd my friend the same thing after I saw that review, it was really negative but ended with an 8.1 and Eurogamer gave it an 8.0 aswell which is really, really weird, those guys are very low scoring.
#30 Posted by Zatoichi_Sanjuro (945 posts) -

Eurogamer did the same thing. Poor review: high score.
 
Considering how much emphasis publishers place in metacritic, I officially declare shenanigans! Even on Eurogamer which is one of the most respected sites for scoring hyped games, imo.
 

Shenanigans!

#31 Posted by SethPhotopoulos (5250 posts) -

I looked the game up and it got some good scores.

#32 Posted by Vinny_Says (5704 posts) -

hmmmm....ok first thing out of his mouth is a lie, MOH already had it's HD debut, it was called Medal of Honor Airborne....

#33 Posted by punkxblaze (2984 posts) -

I don't usually call bullshit on reviews, not liking to call peoples' integrity in to question, but that definitely feels like a 'bought' review.

#34 Posted by RankRabbit (394 posts) -

I've seen a few 8/10 scores now and I would say that's fair. I understand the issues with the game and have observed them myself but like Brad said in the quick look you probably wouldn't notice unless you were looking at the game critically. The most annoying thing I've dealt with so far is this weird thing where the game locks up a few times during and after cutscenes (PS3 version), something I would hope they patch. It's different from CoD, that's for sure, but I don't mind that. I enjoy CoD, Battlefield and this game ads a little more variety. I just worry this game is getting a bad rap because people want "their game" to be better.

#35 Posted by ThePickle (4182 posts) -
@valrog said:
" Wait, wait, wait. GameTrailers. Reviews. You should NOT take that seriously.
 
"We spent 2000 dollars and well over a week upgrading our rig, and we still couldn't run it on the highest settings." - GameTrailers Video Game Experts (Crysis Review)
"The AI is so good, it's bad." - GameTrailers Video Game Experts S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Review
Then there is...
  • Crysis not even nominated for Best Graphics Award. Furthermore, Call of Duty 4 won it.
  • Modern Warfare 2 winning every award possible on every Platform
  • Kirby's Epic Yarn won Best Graphics
  •  Sniping with a Shotgun and then complained about poor accuracy (S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Review)
  • Halo 3 Story scores more than Metal Gear Solid 4 Story
  •  "To be perfectly honest with you, the 9.3 that game got is about as high a score a game like that will EVER get on GameTrailers. And that's the bottom line. When we review games we put an EXTREMELY high emphasis on originality." - Shane Satterfield
 So don't ever, EVER try to use a pathetic excuse of a Reviewing site that is GT for your argument. "
Not to mention, the worst of them all, best PS2 game of 2008 going to Rock band 2 and not Persona 4. Also, the whole Halo 3 and MGS4 nonsense. 
#36 Posted by CL60 (16906 posts) -

Lol at all of the conspiracy theorists in this topic. Giant Bomb is full of people like this, and it gets old and it gets annoying.

#37 Posted by Yanngc33 (4496 posts) -

the game looks bland and boring I won't be picking this one up fully agree with Jeff though
#38 Posted by punkxblaze (2984 posts) -
@CL60 said:
" Lol at all of the conspiracy theorists in this topic. Giant Bomb is full of people like this, and it gets old and it gets annoying. "
Like I said, I don't usually like to call integrity in to question, or run the conspiracy angle, but when a site is plastered with ads for a game, and the final score of that game not only directly contradicts the verbal portion of the view, but doesn't match up with the math of the overall score average, shit smells fishy.
#39 Posted by CL60 (16906 posts) -
@punkxblaze said:
" @CL60 said:
" Lol at all of the conspiracy theorists in this topic. Giant Bomb is full of people like this, and it gets old and it gets annoying. "
Like I said, I don't usually like to call integrity in to question, or run the conspiracy angle, but when a site is plastered with ads for a game, and the final score of that game not only directly contradicts the verbal portion of the view, but doesn't match up with the math of the overall score average, shit smells fishy. "
Seems more like a poorly written review that doesn't convey everything he actually felt, not a paid review.
#40 Posted by DocHaus (1329 posts) -

 C'mon people, the reviewer states at the end it's a solid title with good presentation, but it's mostly paint-by-numbers. So what if the number was too high or low for your liking? Pay attention to the actual content of the review, then play the game yourself if you so choose. I've actually played the beta, and I'm not getting it for similar reasons to those that he said: it's pretty much the same as Battlefield but with better graphics and fewer customization options. No one's pointing a gun to your head and forcing you to buy games that earn over 8 points on some review on the internet. 
 
But oh noes, how will I ever make my own decision on whether or not a game is good if some big website doesn't validate my predisposition towards said game? They gave it an 8.1! Why won't those stupid reviewers listen to me?
 

#41 Posted by h0lgr (908 posts) -
@DocHaus: We've already had this discussion in this very thread.
#42 Posted by Skald (4367 posts) -
@valrog said: 
  • Kirby's Epic Yarn won Best Graphics
You think that this is a problem? I challenge you to a duel!
#43 Posted by R3Qui4M (408 posts) -
@Raymayne: He said that I was his favourite, not GOTY. Favourite game can be a game with significant flaws(Story) but there is something that you really like(MP), while GOTY it has to be spot on in almost every way. This is my take on GOTY. 
My favourite game so far: Halo Reach 
My GOTY so far: Mass Effect 2
#44 Posted by h0lgr (908 posts) -
@R3Qui4M: Not really, favourite just means it's the game you liked the most.
GOTY just means this year's best game, not necessarily spot on in every way. Because guess what, if for some reason there are only crap games one year..
#46 Posted by Bouke (1402 posts) -

I have to agree with the OP on this, listening to the review it sounds more like a 7 or something... then again i like to know who wrote a review because i agree with some and with others not so much.
#47 Posted by Kombat (2205 posts) -
@The_Laughing_Man said:
" @Raymayne said:
" @The_Laughing_Man said:
" Gametrailers matters very little to people after giving COD GOTY.   Not to mention the ads for the game all over their site.  "
Jeff gave CoD GotY. "
Again I said I DID NOT CARE. The people did.  "
What people? The stupid ones?
#48 Posted by Milkman (16777 posts) -

Who the hell cares?

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#49 Edited by ProfessorEss (7360 posts) -
@h0lgr:  I dunno man, I don't find the "air" that GT pulls there scores out of to be all that thinner than the air Giant Bomb pulls theirs out of.
 
Funny how reviews are "subjective" and just "the reviewer's opinion" when it's a Giant Bomb review, but if it's on IGN, Gamespot or GT they damn well better explain that score, and show their math in detail.
#50 Posted by TwoOneFive (9459 posts) -
@The_Laughing_Man said:
" Gametrailers matters very little to people after giving COD GOTY.   Not to mention the ads for the game all over their site.  "
exactly. 

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