Melee in shooters, which do you prefer?

#1 Posted by Twitchey (865 posts) -
#2 Posted by laserbolts (5314 posts) -

One click knifing I find having to switch to a knife pretty annoying.

#3 Posted by neoepoch (1293 posts) -

What is the difference between C and D? Is C like...gun butting as well?

#4 Posted by Twitchey (865 posts) -
@neoepoch: Yea, like Halo style.
#5 Posted by KarlPilkington (2690 posts) -

Oh double-melee in Gears 1, how I hated you.

It's too much hassle to have to switch to knife, although it is more realistic.

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#6 Posted by BeachThunder (11724 posts) -

Weird, I was just thinking about melee in shooters recently.
 
Anyway, I demand more melee - fists, wrenches, hammers, axes, oh and crowbars.

#7 Posted by Rahf (126 posts) -

One-click melee attack. Not sure if I want it to be an insta-kill though.

#8 Posted by dragonzord (811 posts) -

one click knifing has pretty much ruined online FPSes

#9 Posted by thedj93 (1237 posts) -

i like how it's done in uncharted - couple shots to knock the dude of balance, then one punch to finish them off. i suppose that, in structure, most resembles the halo way of doing things, so I picked that.

#10 Posted by zombie2011 (4969 posts) -

I like the Halo way shoot until the shields are down the gun butt to kill them.

#11 Edited by SaturdayNightSpecials (2323 posts) -

One-click knife. If I had to switch to a knife I would never use melee.

But I always want to see my guy just throw a massive punch when I melee someone. Preferably while shouting.

#12 Posted by TaliciaDragonsong (8698 posts) -

A.
But fuck knives, I rather see a pistol whip or something.
No commando can pull out a knife and resheate it in that time period.

#13 Posted by AhmadMetallic (18955 posts) -

Equippable knife of course. The greatest moments in games like Battlefield 2 is when two players, out of nowhere, hide their guns in the heat of the battle and decide to get into an impulsive knife fight until one of them comes out on top. 
 
One click knives result in auto-aim knifing, and unfair panic kills.

#14 Posted by PrivateIronTFU (3874 posts) -

One-click knifing is satisfying.

#15 Posted by Spoonman671 (4565 posts) -

It depends on the game.  I do think the good old-fashioned rifle butt is severely underutilized in modern gaming though.

#16 Posted by ESREVER (2671 posts) -

Counter-Strike does melee the best. Knifing is an art in that game. And it feels DAMN GOOD to be successful at it. 
One Click "CoD" knifing is lame and not rewarding in the slightest.

#17 Posted by Deranged (1837 posts) -

@neoepoch said:

What is the difference between C and D? Is C like...gun butting as well?

Gears and Halo do it best.

#18 Posted by AhmadMetallic (18955 posts) -
@zoner said:

one click knifing has pretty much ruined online FPSes

+1
#19 Edited by NTM (7286 posts) -

Wait, so C is supposed to be melee, but with guns instead of knifes? I accidentally chose A. Everyone should be choosing C. Knifing is fine, but meleeing with individual guns and not just the same melee over and over is better. By the way, people really aren't careful enough, C and A can be interpreted as the same. You should have written something different, like "No knifes, I like to melee with a gun".

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#20 Posted by Do_The_Manta_Ray (570 posts) -

Second time I'm using this image today, but it's worth it..

I'd have to go for the third option, using your actual gun to combat the enemy. But rather than have it done in a Halo fashion, I'd much more subscribe to the way that it's used in, say, Gears of War. GoW certainly ain't perfect, but if there's one thing that game absolutely nailed, then it was the mix-up between melee and range, with for example a swift strike from the shotgun completely destabilizing the enemy's aim and stunning them. Do I even need to mention the lancer? Noo, I don't. Thing about it being that it was balanced, as it put you at a huge disadvantage should you get shot while revving it; not to mention how vulnerable you made yourself.

I also feel that Killzone 3 has a wonderful melee system with it's one-hit sync-kills as it makes sense for it to be powerful, yet mostly not a viable option as huge gun-damage and slow movement speed makes the actual rushing of an enemy only possible when he's reloading, and/or he's focusing on another player.

The ideal melee in a shooter, though? For the Emprah!

@Ahmad_Metallic said:

Equippable knife of course. The greatest moments in games like Battlefield 2 is when two players, out of nowhere, hide their guns in the heat of the battle and decide to get into an impulsive knife fight until one of them comes out on top. One click knives result in auto-aim knifing, and unfair panic kills.

Oh, I remember those moments fondly. Seemed to happen to me all the time while sniping in the foot-hills, I'd all of a sudden run into another sniper and after having spent almost the entirety of our ammo, we'd dance the night away like two mexican desperados with chafing pants. Got to the point where I always remembered to save 2 shots in the sniper before pulling the knife. Sooner or later, they start rushing you, completely ignoring your "depleted" weapon, and then bam!

"Fool to bring a knife to a gunfight."

Shame they're changing how the knife works for Battlefield 3, it seems to be along the Killzone 3 style of thinking. Hell, at least the customizable dog-tags are a great idea.

#21 Posted by Redbullet685 (6029 posts) -
@zombie2011 said:
I like the Halo way shoot until the shields are down the gun butt to kill them.
Yes. One click melee is the way to go, but shouldn't be instant kill. I stab a guy in the foot in MW2 and he dies. 0_o
#22 Posted by m0rdr3d (474 posts) -
@Twitchey said:


                    @neoepoch: Yea, like Halo style.

                   

               

I go for C then.  Or a knife you switch to since that would make more sense than having a knife suddenly fly out of nowhere.
#23 Posted by AhmadMetallic (18955 posts) -
@Do_The_Manta_Ray said:

@Ahmad_Metallic said:

Equippable knife of course. The greatest moments in games like Battlefield 2 is when two players, out of nowhere, hide their guns in the heat of the battle and decide to get into an impulsive knife fight until one of them comes out on top. One click knives result in auto-aim knifing, and unfair panic kills.

Oh, I remember those moments fondly. Seemed to happen to me all the time while sniping in the foot-hills, I'd all of a sudden run into another sniper and after having spent almost the entirety of our ammo, we'd dance the night away like two mexican desperados with chafing pants. Got to the point where I always remembered to save 2 shots in the sniper before pulling the knife. Sooner or later, they start rushing you, completely ignoring your "depleted" weapon, and then bam!

"Fool to bring a knife to a gunfight."

Shame they're changing how the knife works for Battlefield 3, it seems to be along the Killzone 3 style of thinking. Hell, at least the customizable dog-tags are a great idea.

No no, the KZ3/Crysis 2 knifing animation only works in BF3 when you approach the enemy from behind and they can't see you 
 
The equippable knife is back, bro :D  knife fights in BF3 are gonna be amazing.
#24 Posted by Do_The_Manta_Ray (570 posts) -

@Ahmad_Metallic: Praise Allah! The lovely kill-animations by back-stabbing sounds like a great idea; makes it all the more humiliating. All we need now is an unlockable cop-knife and we're ready to roll!

I say this calls for a celebration:

Really wish I enjoyed Jeff's music, man IS talented.. At least Grizzly Bear's "Knife" is great.

#25 Edited by Doctorchimp (4071 posts) -
@Chabbs0 said:

Oh double-melee in Gears 1, how I hated you.

It's too much hassle to have to switch to knife, although it is more realistic.

God....Gears melee is so frustrating. Also you didn't actually need 2 punches in Gears. The melee definitely gave you enough stun to just hit again though.
 
One punch and you're just an inch away from getting down. Even though you can take a couple shotgun blasts 5 feet away and a supernatural amount of lancer bullets.
 
Man just thinking back I get flashbacks of how unfair and broken they made the game. Then of course they had the fucking nerve to blame people that ran around with shotguns and played things close to the chest for ruining the game when they did all the work for them. 
 
How do they fix it? Balance weapons? Make the lancer more formidable? No...they just ruin the cover system...
 
They did it in Gears 1 and then changed it back after everyone lost their shit at how unplayable it was. Then they followed it up with patching Gears 2 with the same shit patch. EPIC playtesting is run by the most inept people. That's without bringing up the wonderful network issues they can't even fathom to work out logically. 
 
Hopefully they don't ruin Gears 3.
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#26 Posted by Mikemcn (6959 posts) -

@TaliciaDragonsong said:

A. But fuck knives, I rather see a pistol whip or something. No commando can pull out a knife and resheate it in that time period.

Now comeon, be fair, how many commandos do you know?

#27 Posted by RandomInternetUser (6789 posts) -

Switching to a knife and fighting with it.  It's just annoying when there is auto-aim knifing that can seem cheap at times.
 
@Ahmad_Metallic said:

Equippable knife of course. The greatest moments in games like Battlefield 2 is when two players, out of nowhere, hide their guns in the heat of the battle and decide to get into an impulsive knife fight until one of them comes out on top.  One click knives result in auto-aim knifing, and unfair panic kills.
Pretty much agree with this.  It also makes knife kills so much more satisfying when it takes skill to actually kill someone with it.
#28 Posted by Capum15 (4823 posts) -

I prefer the good old "use gun as club" method, so C. Halo melee style is pretty fun.

But I do support alternative melee weapons, like the Gravity Hammer, Plasma Sword, or a baton (Saint's Row for instance) or a knife (other shooters).

Still, I always like to hear the thud from a shotgun after knocking an Elite's shields off. Or if something pisses me off, then I just beat things down in a blind rage. It's always fun to come out of a fight with the same amount of ammo you went in with.

#29 Posted by AhmadMetallic (18955 posts) -
@xobballox said:
 It also makes knife kills so much more satisfying when it takes skill to actually kill someone with it.
Exactly. No one gives a hut about skill anymore.. Using the equipped knife over and over again until you know where to hit and how hard to hit
#30 Posted by SexualBubblegumX (542 posts) -

Melee doesn't belong in fps games. The fucking sword from Halo... some one needed to be fired for that shit.

#31 Posted by TheGreatGuero (9130 posts) -

I think Halo handles it best.

#32 Posted by valrog (3671 posts) -

B, definitely B.

#33 Posted by InfiniteGeass (2051 posts) -

Don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

#34 Posted by TaliciaDragonsong (8698 posts) -
@Mikemcn said:

@TaliciaDragonsong said:

A. But fuck knives, I rather see a pistol whip or something. No commando can pull out a knife and resheate it in that time period.

Now comeon, be fair, how many commandos do you know?

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