The ending cuts this game down ***minor spoilers***

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#1 Edited by TangoUp (307 posts) -

Just finished it. Phew.

It is an incredibly, incredibly short game. And that said, I still think the last level (not just the end boss) should have been canned completely. It is the most stupid, idiotic and insulting pieces of shitty dialogue and exposition and ridiculousness I have ever seen. It just left a bad taste in my mouth. Forget Mass Effect 3, I think this game's shitty excuse for an ending takes the Razzie award for the worst finale in games. Also talk about reducing a ninja game into a juvenile WWE wrestling match. That last boss has to be the worst boss I have seen in a game.

The story is all over the place and unfortunately, apart from Mistral and Sam, the bosses don't have much in the way of personalities. The exposition at the end is an overblown rip-off from Vanquish (and Vanquish didn't even pretend to have a coherent story) with the war economy stuff. Are Platinum developers Americans? I don't understand their fascination with all things US.

Back on topic, George was probably the highlight of the story and it's a shame we see him for less than 10 minutes. So character wise,

Doktor - won't shut up

Kevin - his story about the memes and Richard Dawkins saves him from being a bore

Courtney - I think she was written in for the cleavage

Boris - Da, tovarich

Sundowner - Shut up fatty

Monsoon - no comment

Armstrong - what this is, I don't even ...

Wolf - drown in molten lava you sanctimonious tin can

Well, at least I can concentrate on the gameplay when I replay it because this is just a loose set of missions with a few bosses thrown in to give the semblance of a game. I will not be supporting this title by buying the DLC.

That said, the gameplay is smooth but the camera is problematic. 3/5 stars. I expected better from the makers of Vanquish.

#2 Posted by killacam (1284 posts) -

@tangoup said:
Are Platinum developers Americans?

Not in the least. And the story was, of course, Kojima. Nanomachines, son!

4 stars.

#3 Posted by Giantstalker (1514 posts) -

I thought the Armstrong fight was the best part of the game, but I guess if you wanted a more serious game then that ending would be difficult to like.

Also, this may need spoiler tags?

#4 Posted by TangoUp (307 posts) -

@killacam said:

@tangoup said:
Are Platinum developers Americans?

Not in the least. And the story was, of course, Kojima. Nanomachines, son!

4 stars.

I know they are not. It was meant to be rhetorical. Kojima wrote all of it? I don't believe it because that last bit sounded like Vanquish's plot.

#5 Posted by Taku128 (787 posts) -

The ending had me constantly laughing my ass off and I don't see how anyone could dislike it. They were totally taking the piss out of Metal Gear.

#6 Edited by falserelic (5278 posts) -

You got admit Armstrong had them gainz, all kinds of gainz, all kindzzz...

#7 Edited by rebgav (1429 posts) -

NANOMACHINES, SON!

The only problem I have with MGR is that the bosses are too straightforward, you can master those boss fights in a couple of playthroughs and I feel that robs it of the replayability it needs.

The Armstrong segment is retarded but it's impossible for me to discern whether it's just dumb because Metal Gear villains or because it's a parody of Metal Gear villains.

@tangoup said:

The exposition at the end is an overblown rip-off from Vanquish (and Vanquish didn't even pretend to have a coherent story) with the war economy stuff.

Oh wait, you're trolling. My bad.

#8 Posted by FourWude (2261 posts) -

What's so bad about fighting Steroided Dick Cheney at the end?

And it's a Kojima game, so naturally it's anti-war, anti-nukes. If you hadn't noticed, the whole over arching story of the Metal Gear series is about this stuff. MGR compared to some of his other stories is pretty straight forward.

#9 Posted by MikeJFlick (435 posts) -

Disappointment is what Raiden is known for, why did you expect anything less then a game in which he stars in?

#10 Posted by JackSukeru (5898 posts) -

That final boss thing seemed, to me, pretty much par for the course as far as these kinds of game wrap-ups go. Villain goes philosophical, makes a speech on what's wrong with the world and how they're going to "fix" it, offers the hero to join him, the hero declines and they fight it out.

Jack doesn't really fit the type of hero character that are usually in these type of stories (he's not much of a coherent character to start with) so I guess it comes off as a little odd compared to the rest of the game.

I mean, there's also that one point where Armstrong becomes all bulky and starts acting goofy. It's all very Japanese, the whole game is, so it isn't that surprising all things considered. I've seen a lot of it before, and a lot of it since. Overall I greatly enjoyed this particular execution of it.

#11 Posted by ThePhantomnaut (6151 posts) -

It's pretty dumb but it's also pretty cool.

#12 Posted by maskedarcstrike (701 posts) -

Fuck the haters

#13 Posted by DonChipotle (2693 posts) -

The exposition at the end is the game undoing MGS 4. Rising is a Pyrrhic victory. The story, while kind of ridiculous, is about as logical a leap in Metal Gear canon and some of its themes as you can get in a post MGS 4 story. The last boss was no more insane than fighting the President of the United States in downtown Manhattan.

#14 Posted by Klei (1768 posts) -

@tangoup I disagree with you. Especially on the '' I will not support this game buy buying DLC, I expected better from the makers of Vanquish''. This game is Vanquish with a sword. Vanquish' story and characters were just as horrible and canned. I have no clue why you're so irritated over Rising.

#15 Posted by Demoskinos (14520 posts) -

OH GOD THAT THREAD TITLE.

#16 Posted by jimmyfenix (3813 posts) -

NANOMACHINES SISTER

#17 Posted by EternalVigil (239 posts) -

Seriously though, while it is absolutely insane at the end, but what I tend to expect from a metal gear game, as well as talk of the war economy.

I mean MGS2 ended with a sword battle on top of Federal hall with a clone of Big Boss in an exosuit that had tenacles that fired missles and his main way of moving about was zooming around on rocket skates that set the ground of fire where he went. Not to mention he was going on and on about wanting to be remembered by people by trying to stop AI's that were running the US.

It's pretty much a series standard that it goes completely insane at the end.

#18 Edited by IBurningStar (2160 posts) -

I completely disagree. Pretty much the last hour was the best part of the game. Armstrong was a great final boss.

#19 Edited by dudeglove (7684 posts) -

I only watched it on YT so I can't speak for the gameplay, but from a plot perspective Armstrong was ridiculously over the top in a stupid fun way.

#20 Posted by MooseyMcMan (10375 posts) -

I disagree, I think that end boss fight, and everything around it is AMAZING.

His entire body is MADE OF NANOMACHINES!

#21 Edited by WickedSickDanceAttack (36 posts) -

@tangoup:

Platinum wrote that ending as an obvious parody of Kojima. Kojima liked the story and green-lit it. Maybe he didn't realize it was a huge parody of his work, or he just has a good sense of humor! (Plus this "War Economy" stuff has been an undertone in MGS in a couple games)

And no comment on Monsoon???? He is the most Metal Gear character in this game!!!

And wolf is awesome.

Edit: Woah! Isn't George that ridiculously over the top racist kid with the crappy accent that doesn't even exist?!?!?!!?!? I didn't realize this whole post was a joke Hahaha!

#22 Posted by rebgav (1429 posts) -

@tangoup:

Platinum wrote that ending as an obvious parody of Kojima. Kojima liked the story and green-lit it.

I thought that the lead writer and producer were from KojiPro?

#23 Posted by thebunnyhunter (1350 posts) -

Man that last hour of that game was so god damn insane how could you not love it. I didn't like that Armstrong fight as much as the fight with Jetstream Sam though, that fight was incredible. Also Nanomachines...

#24 Posted by WickedSickDanceAttack (36 posts) -

@rebgav: I remember reading about Platinum Games asking Kojima if they could rewrite the game from it's original script since they were taking over development and he allowed it.

#25 Posted by kadash299 (271 posts) -

@killacam: Kojima didnt write this, his right hand man Etsu Tamari did.

#26 Posted by ThunderSlash (1512 posts) -

With cheesy lines like "I said my sword was a tool of justice. Not used in anger. Not used for vengeance. But now... Now I'm not so sure. And besides, this isn't my sword." how can you not love it?

Also, Jack's "Ripper" voice is goddamn hilarious.

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#27 Posted by SunBroZak (981 posts) -

I found a lot of the story stuff cringe-worthy. But the spectacle of it all was amazing. Especially in the beginning.

#28 Edited by TangoUp (307 posts) -

@rebgav said:

The Armstrong segment is retarded but it's impossible for me to discern whether it's just dumb because Metal Gear villains or because it's a parody of Metal Gear villains.

@tangoup said:

The exposition at the end is an overblown rip-off from Vanquish (and Vanquish didn't even pretend to have a coherent story) with the war economy stuff.

Oh wait, you're trolling. My bad.

Yes that first comment is true. But I've played MGS4 without playing any of the other MGS games and I still loved it. And I assure you, I'm not trolling, I'm serious. Vanquish's US faction has that same motivation. MGR just adds another 50,000 lines of dialogue to say the same.damn.thing.

@fourwude said:
And it's a Kojima game, so naturally it's anti-war, anti-nukes. If you hadn't noticed, the whole over arching story of the Metal Gear series is about this stuff. MGR compared to some of his other stories is pretty straight forward.

I like that premise but it is anything but straightforward after going from trying to save Africa, saving Abkhazia and the kids then moving on to save some bwaiiiins then dealing with PTSD then ugh, that end level. If they were trying to outdo Kojima, I'm afraid they failed miserably.

Disappointment is what Raiden is known for, why did you expect anything less then a game in which he stars in?

Raiden himself isn't bad at all. He's given NOTHING to work with apart from the PTSD and Jack the Ripper angle.

@klei said:

@tangoup I disagree with you. Especially on the '' I will not support this game buy buying DLC, I expected better from the makers of Vanquish''. This game is Vanquish with a sword. Vanquish' story and characters were just as horrible and canned. I have no clue why you're so irritated over Rising.

Because Vanquish didn't spend 50% of the last level on dialogue which makes you want to throw your controller and nor did it move erratically from one concept to another through the story. Besides, the end boss and cinematics were way cooler.

@tangoup:


Edit: Woah! Isn't George that ridiculously over the top racist kid with the crappy accent that doesn't even exist?!?!?!!?!? I didn't realize this whole post was a joke Hahaha!

I am serious.

With cheesy lines like "I said my sword was a tool of justice. Not used in anger. Not used for vengeance. But now... Now I'm not so sure. And besides, this isn't my sword." how can you not love it?

Also, Jack's "Ripper" voice is goddamn hilarious.

That sort of thing is par for the course for these type of games but usually the end bosses are spectacular. Like Vergil in DMC3 or the end boss of Ninja Gaiden Sigma. Armstrong was just ... I don't have the vocabulary to describe this monstrosity.

#29 Edited by TangoUp (307 posts) -

To continue my tirade against this game, consider the environments you play in,

urban area with buildings and cars

urban area with buildings and cars

refinery

sewer

warehouse

urban area with buildings and cars

office building and rooftops

Dark Tunnel

office building

Japanese Garden

sunset on the highway

military base with fences and steel boxes

Seems like all the creative talent has left Platinum Games with Shinji Mikami.

#30 Edited by TheManWithNoPlan (5138 posts) -

The entire game was beautiful dumb bliss. BOOM! Argument retorted.

#31 Posted by development (1998 posts) -

It was supposed to be ridiculous and stupid. You can't really think the creators were that out of touch. Raiden picks that fucking 30-foot robot leg up and uses it as his standard sword during that boss battle. It's intentional. Think of it like a wrestling match.

#32 Posted by punkxblaze (2948 posts) -

Part of me feels like revengeance is a semi-self aware parody of the entire metal gear series, right down to the iconic NANOMACHINES, SON like, which can be used to explain like 90% of MGS.

#33 Posted by sub_o (810 posts) -

It's a funny parody. The only character that I like is Sunny Gurlukovich / Emmerich.

#35 Edited by Assirra (91 posts) -

@tangoup said:

@killacam said:

@tangoup said:
Are Platinum developers Americans?

Not in the least. And the story was, of course, Kojima. Nanomachines, son!

4 stars.

I know they are not. It was meant to be rhetorical. Kojima wrote all of it? I don't believe it because that last bit sounded like Vanquish's plot.

Well clearly you never played MGS4 then. This was still light on the "wtf-o-meter" that kojima does compared to that game.

#36 Posted by pyrodactyl (1856 posts) -

But man, SICK GUITAR RIFFS!!!

#37 Posted by Fredchuckdave (5182 posts) -

I necro'd college ball ya know.

#38 Posted by StarvingGamer (7918 posts) -
#39 Posted by Mustainium (64 posts) -
@tangoup said:

George was probably the highlight of the story

#40 Edited by ripelivejam (3473 posts) -

i was hoping the title of this thread was some sort of delicious pun. :(

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#41 Posted by crithon (3059 posts) -

actually rethinking about this, I think Armstrong is a better evil politican using Metal Gear for their own evil deeds

Because in MGS2, all Raiden did was "wha?" There's more of a debate going on

#42 Edited by NoctisLucisCaelum (94 posts) -

You came to a game that has the words Metal Gear in the title and expecting a good coherent story?

You sir are mad.

Also Platinum isn't exactly known for award winning story telling.

5 star gameplay, Metal Gear story nonsense.

Edit: Nice title by the way, If I recall my high school English classes, I would say you're using a pun.

#43 Posted by MiniPato (2714 posts) -
@tangoup said:

@rebgav said:

The Armstrong segment is retarded but it's impossible for me to discern whether it's just dumb because Metal Gear villains or because it's a parody of Metal Gear villains.

@tangoup said:

The exposition at the end is an overblown rip-off from Vanquish (and Vanquish didn't even pretend to have a coherent story) with the war economy stuff.

Oh wait, you're trolling. My bad.

Yes that first comment is true. But I've played MGS4 without playing any of the other MGS games and I still loved it. And I assure you, I'm not trolling, I'm serious. Vanquish's US faction has that same motivation. MGR just adds another 50,000 lines of dialogue to say the same.damn.thing.

I was an avid fan of the MGS series until MGS4. That game just made me not give a shit about the story of these games anymore. MGS4 was my Mass Effect 3.

That said, even if Revengeance is considered canon, I don't think it's intended to be taken as seriously as the past games. As people said, it's all parody. Hell, outside of a few namedrops, it hardly feels like it takes place in the same universe as any other MGS. Revengeance Raiden barely even seems like the same character as MGS2 and MGS4 Raiden. Even though I've forsaken the lore and canon of the MGS series, I refuse to believe Revengeance takes place in the same reality as MGS1-5 unless its reality is virtual reality. And through separating Revengeance from past games, I've been able to actually really enjoy it and crazy ass Senator Armstrong. Unfortunately I can't do that with MGS4 cause it's too deeply rooted in the series as the "ultimate ending."

Platinum was smart to treat it as side story with as few ties to past games as possible.

#44 Edited by Fredchuckdave (5182 posts) -

@minipato: Once you get old enough you realize how stupid all of the MGS storylines are, excepting 3 which is still alright even if it's completely ridiculous. The characters are good in Peacewalker as well.

#45 Posted by Crembaw (307 posts) -

@taku128 said:

The ending had me constantly laughing my ass off and I don't see how anyone could dislike it. They were totally taking the piss out of Metal Gear.

Yeah but they somehow did it in the most logical, distilled way. I mean someone like Armstrong had to come along eventually. He basically took Big Boss' and Liquid Ocelot's anarchism to the utmost extreme, where suddenly it wasn't just about creating a world for soldiers, but a world that was solely about Strength, something that was always implied but never stated outright. Armstrong basically had the nuts to say 'fuck people who can't deal with my SMT World of STR' which is something that Big Boss, at least for a long time, still had trouble handling mentally. It's great, I loved it.

#46 Edited by Humanity (8715 posts) -

I thought George was the worst child character ever conceived in video games. Even kids from Japanese RPG's are better than George.

#47 Posted by Crembaw (307 posts) -

@humanity: But how else would the game get its requisite Vanilla Ice reference??

#48 Posted by Humanity (8715 posts) -

@crembaw said:

@humanity:

But how else would the game get its requisite Vanilla Ice reference??

Not like this.. not like this..

He was basically the Jar Jar Binks of gaming.

Me badda ninja robot boom boom yah mon?!

#49 Posted by RecSpec (3753 posts) -

@humanity said:

@crembaw said:

@humanity:

But how else would the game get its requisite Vanilla Ice reference??

Not like this.. not like this..

He was basically the Jar Jar Binks of gaming.

Me badda ninja robot boom boom yah mon?!

I took that hour long Rising survey awhile back, and everytime they asked what I didn't like. "George." He's the fucking worst!

#50 Posted by Shortbreadtom (682 posts) -

It's ok to not like that kind of stupid, dumb spectacle, but you also have to understand why other people would love that stuff. The ridiculous, overly long exposition was hilarious to me because of all the other dumb shit that was happening at the same time. There's this standard looking politician dude spouting his policies and philosophy, and then it turns into a big dumb fight and he is fucking MADE OF NANOMACHINES.

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