Why so much hate for this game?

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#1 Posted by kingcopper (50 posts) -

I've noticed a lot of people hating on this game, and I don't understand the reasoning. What i'm getting at is the general "MGS IS RUINED!!!11" stuff. You guys aren't even criticizing the game for good reasons! It looks to me as though people are putting this series up on a pedestal; acting as if the lore of Metal Gear is sacred (lol) and Rising is shitting all over that lore. I don't get this at all and want to address it.

I've played Metal Gear Solid 1 - 4, Portable Ops, and Peace Walker. I liked most of those games. Some of them are a bit janky, but not bad. Peace Walker happens to be my favorite game in the series. Anyway, the games are absurd and crazy (though I happen to enjoy that) especially when you look at the bosses you fight. A weird vampire man who can't, supposedly, die. A fellow who shoots bees at you, and uses the bees to form a submachine gun and shoot more bees at you. Gray Fox wants you to hurt him, and he wants you to hurt him more. A really fat guy who rides around on roller skates and builds nuclear weapons. A fight with Solidus at Federal Hall involving swords on top of a giant mech. Volgin and his electricity suit, as well as a chase involving a giant nuclear mech and a motorcycle. I could go on further but the point is clear, beating a dead horse and whatnot. These characters are hilarious and a lot of fun, but if you ask me, they're also completely batshit and crazy. Why are some of you guys taking this series so damn serious?

Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance looks like it's going to continue this trend of delightful absurdity. Based on what i've seen it's going to be really fast paced, possibly crazier than any past Metal Gear game, and a lot of fun. I'd like to argue that taking all of this a step further makes a lot of sense for Metal Gear. We're getting the same fun universe, a game starring a character I happen to like quite a bit; Raiden, and what looks to be a very competent game in general. I always assumed people like Metal Gear games because of how funny and weird they are, not because of the Boss' philosophizing about loyalty to your country or to me, or Old Snake's commentary about how war has changed. At least I never took that stuff too seriously. I think it's extremely dramatic and corny, though I will say that it adds some humor to these games which are already absurd. I do like this stuff.

If you're a Metal Gear fan who thinks the series is ruined by Rising, I suppose this is the thread for you.

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#2 Posted by TentPole (1856 posts) -

I don't get it either? Lack of stealth I guess, but its a spinoff so I think it is fair to expect a different experience.

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#3 Posted by Hunkulese (3429 posts) -

They're calling it revengeance

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#4 Posted by ahgunsillyo (482 posts) -

I don't know; I'm pretty excited for it. If Platinum manages to combine the sheer insanity of Hideo Kojima with their own, it might become one of the most absurdly amazing games we've seen in a while. Who knows, though. We'll see, I guess.

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#5 Posted by BrainSpecialist (575 posts) -

You can't hate on something that doesn't exist.

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#6 Posted by AhmadMetallic (19302 posts) -

Because the name's hilarious?

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#7 Posted by mazik765 (2362 posts) -

My friend, who is a HUGE MGS fan, is totally fine with this game since it's not a Metal Gear Solid game. I guess the way he reasons it is that the Solid series was the story of Snake, Liquid and Big Boss. Metal Gear Rising allows them to pursue a new character within the universe as the central protagonist (e.g. Raiden). That's what he told me anyway.

I am ok with this game because it's Platinum and I hope it's even half as crazy as Bayonetta.

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#8 Posted by Nightriff (6937 posts) -

I can't wait to see what it actually is and how it will play. If it's like the trailer that they showed then it will basically be Bayonetta with Raiden. I will still play it but I'm waiting for MGS5 to be announced at some point before I die.

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#9 Posted by TooWalrus (13380 posts) -

Bayonetta is one of my favorite games ever. Seriously. I can't fuckin' wait for this.

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#10 Posted by Irvandus (3170 posts) -

@Hunkulese said:

They're calling it revengeance

Yeah, quite possibly one of the dumbest names ever, other than that I'm relatively excited.

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#11 Posted by Jack268 (3370 posts) -

Yeah I don't really get it either. I mean, Kojima is already working on a real MGS anyway, so if people complain about this not being "real MGS" they can just pick that up in a few years and in the mean time have a nice spinoff to play.

Besides, it's not even trying to be "real MGS" which is why the name is MGR.

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#12 Posted by Marcsman (3487 posts) -

Probably because Kojima dumped it like a red headed step child

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#13 Posted by EVO (4029 posts) -

Hate? All I've seen is praise.

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#14 Posted by Commisar123 (1904 posts) -

I'm not so sure it is hate as doubt

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#15 Posted by Marcsman (3487 posts) -

@rebgav said:

@Marcsman said:

Probably because Kojima dumped it like a red headed step child

By which you mean that it had to be rescued from his inept new team at KojiPro and farmed out to Platinum. That minidoc they put out to announce the change-over really made Kojima's guys sound like chumps.

I concur. It was odd

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#16 Posted by Strife777 (2049 posts) -
@EVO

Hate? All I've seen is praise.

This. I honestly haven't seen much hate for it at all. Except if you consider making fun of the fantastic name to be some sort of hate.
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#17 Posted by TobbRobb (5788 posts) -

They be hating because it's different from regular metal gear and everything about it looks dumb and exagerrated as hell.

I fucking love it though. Revengeance IS SO DUMB ITS GREAT.

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#18 Posted by Romination (2831 posts) -

@TobbRobb said:

I fucking love it though. Revengeance IS SO DUMB ITS GREAT.

This word has entered my vernacular. THIS IS HOW LANGUAGE IS MADE BETTER.

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#19 Posted by killacam (1341 posts) -

wait, is kojima not helming this?

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#20 Posted by Toxin066 (3452 posts) -

@TooWalrus said:

Bayonetta is one of my favorite games ever. Seriously. I can't fuckin' wait for this.

Hell yes.

I don't feel like I've seen much hate for it, just a lot of snarky hype about the title.

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#21 Posted by Justin258 (13894 posts) -

@Hunkulese said:

They're calling it revengeance

That.

"Revengeance" is a fucking stupid name. Think about how that would sound if your girlfriend asked you what you were playing

"I'm playing Metal Gear Solid Revengeance".

Otherwise... nope. Haven't seen much hate for it.

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#22 Posted by yinstarrunner (1302 posts) -
@Romination

@TobbRobb said:

I fucking love it though. Revengeance IS SO DUMB ITS GREAT.

This word has entered my vernacular. THIS IS HOW LANGUAGE IS MADE BETTER.

Its an actual word. Go ahead, look it up. I'll wait...

Yeah, I was surprised too. Revengeance is pretty much the best name for anything ever. i hope the game can live up to it.
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#23 Posted by Guided_By_Tigers (8020 posts) -

We get it people, Revengeance is a dumb funny name, but we don't need to be reminded of this in EVERY thread.....stop beating a dead horse.

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#24 Posted by Soapy86 (2723 posts) -

People hate on it because they're reactionary idiots. Personally, I'm incredibly excited for Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance.

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#25 Posted by ReyGitano (2491 posts) -

Kojima traditionalists will always have a bone to pick. It's why he gets death threats whenever he announces he's going to leave Metal Gear to a younger generation.

I love Hideo, but I only have the best expectations for what Platinum Games can do after Bayonetta and Vanquish.

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#26 Posted by Morrow (1870 posts) -

I never played a MGS game, because I suck at stealth, but I'm pretty excited for this one. I always thought of cyber-ninja Raiden as an interesting character :)

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#27 Posted by Dallas_Raines (2269 posts) -

The only people who get angry are the fans who didn't realize that MGS was always a joke and not something to be taken seriously.

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#28 Posted by kingcopper (50 posts) -

I suppose hate is a bit bombastic. What i'm referencing are the Metal Gear traditionalists who do, it seems, actually hate this game for doing something different. Sensible people generally don't appear to hate this game.

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#29 Posted by JasonR86 (10137 posts) -

I hadn't realize people were apparently hating this game.

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#30 Posted by GunstarRed (6044 posts) -

There seems to be a lot more indifference to it than hate. I think it looks like the stupidest thing in the world, and I shall be buying it day one.

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#31 Edited by Grixxel (918 posts) -

Not excited for it like other entries in the series, but i'm still going to play it!

Revengeance: The Vendetta-ing: Rising: Cyberstorm.

I'm gonna send him a letter with that proposed name and hopefully they will change it. ASAP.

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#32 Posted by Baillie (4690 posts) -

It's not that I already hate it, it's the fuck it's not metal gear. There's no stealth for one, and the fact it doesn't look like a metal gear game at all. Seriously. Look a it. If it wasn't called Metal Gear Solid, would you EVER compare it to the others?

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#33 Posted by Yummylee (24646 posts) -

Why so much preconceived hate about the hate for this game?

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#34 Posted by JasonR86 (10137 posts) -

@Baillie said:

...it's the fuck it's not metal gear.

What?

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#35 Posted by StrainedEyes (1363 posts) -

I hate this game because they decided against telling the story of Raiden between MGS2 and MGS4.

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#36 Posted by Bane122 (960 posts) -

I'm a huge MG nut and I cannot wait for this game. I was grinning ear to ear watching the trailer. While it definitely has stupid shit in it, I can overlook it for the craziness. When I saw Raiden pick up the Ray variant, for instance, a part of me thought "Yeah, that's pretty bad and doesn't belong in Metal Gear." but another, bigger part thought "Dude, he's picking up a Ray and tossing it!! I want this"

I do wish they'd say it's non-canon but I'll take it however they present it.

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#37 Posted by CaLe (4749 posts) -

I like Metal Gear Solid. But I also like when people hate things.. I'm glad I can enjoy both.

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#38 Posted by Baillie (4690 posts) -

@JasonR86 said:

@Baillie said:

...it's the fuck it's not metal gear.

What?

Sorry, I'm pretty drunk at the moment. I'm sure I meant fact, not fuck.

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#39 Posted by kingcopper (50 posts) -

@Yummylee said:

Why so much preconceived hate about the hate for this game?

Best post in the thread.

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#40 Posted by ajamafalous (13084 posts) -
@Hunkulese said:
They're calling it revengeance
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#41 Posted by FLStyle (6182 posts) -

@StrainedEyes said:

I hate this game because they decided against telling the story of Raiden between MGS2 and MGS4.

This. I'm disappointed because that story had a lot of potential.

However Platinum will make a better cyber-ninja Raiden game than Kojima Productions ever could.

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#42 Posted by M_Shini (567 posts) -

Let them hate it who cares, let the game prove if its crap or great when its actually in peoples hands.

I personally haven't noticed anyone really banging on it if i'm honest.

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#43 Posted by JCGamer (767 posts) -

I think it looks pretty badass myself. Looking forward to seeing how it turns out.

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#44 Posted by drag (1212 posts) -

Because with games, the franchise has to stay exactly the same forever or it's ruined and dumbed down and awful and they've pissed right in your mouth. Make it look nicer, make it play smoother, add a couple of new ideas if you really feel like you must, but keep everything exactly the same as it was - that's how you keep your fans happy making video games.

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#45 Posted by The_Nubster (2977 posts) -

@Irvandus said:

@Hunkulese said:

They're calling it revengeance

Yeah, quite possibly one of the dumbest names ever, other than that I'm relatively excited.

That's the point, THAT'S THE POINT!

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#46 Posted by TechnoSyndrome (1270 posts) -

Because people take Metal Gear Solid's story way too seriously.

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#47 Posted by Stealthmaster86 (737 posts) -

@Taku128 said:

Because people take Metal Gear Solid's story way too seriously.

That's a sad fact because the games doesn't take itself seriously.

I LOVE Metal Gear Solid and I can't wait for this. If it wasn't made by Platinum games, Bayonetta, I would have been a little worried.

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#48 Edited by NTM (9300 posts) -

@Stealthmaster86 said:

@Taku128 said:

Because people take Metal Gear Solid's story way too seriously.

That's a sad fact because the games doesn't take itself seriously.

I LOVE Metal Gear Solid and I can't wait for this. If it wasn't made by Platinum games, Bayonetta, I would have been a little worried.

It does, but the reason you say that is because it's a mix of styles. Japanese anime and Western films.

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#50 Edited by Azteck (7416 posts) -

The fact that Platinum is making it makes me super excited. And I agree, no idea where the hate stems from. Maybe because they dislike Raiden? (which I never really got either)

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