Why so much hate for this game?

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#51 Posted by Deranged (1837 posts) -

Why are people complaining? It's not even a true sequel, merely a spin-off.

#52 Posted by Doppelgamer (308 posts) -

Because it's different! ...and unlike what Arby's would have you believe, different is NOT good. We humans love to persecute anything or anyone different!!

Personally, I would prefer that it be a stealth game, but we already had a ton of those. I'm up for something of a change of pace now and then, so I'll check out the reviews once this comes out.

#53 Posted by GetEveryone (4455 posts) -

Because everything they've released thus far has looked absolutely atrocious.

Did you not see the images released a couple of months ago?

It looked, and this is absolutely not hyperbole, like a late PS2/early 360 title.

Appalling.

#54 Posted by Wrighteous86 (3749 posts) -

@FLStyle said:

@StrainedEyes said:

I hate this game because they decided against telling the story of Raiden between MGS2 and MGS4.

This. I'm disappointed because that story had a lot of potential.

However Platinum will make a better cyber-ninja Raiden game than Kojima Productions ever could.

Yeah, the gameplay looks fun (if slightly inconsistent with the tone of previous Metal Gear games), that's all okay. MGS 4 was THE END for the main character and the main plotline, and it takes away some of the impact to say "Oh, but wait, there was still a bit more to do." It kind of invalidates Raiden's growth as a character from that game too. Setting it between MGS2 and 4 would've solved both of those problems.

Still, I'm waiting to play the game to see if it still bothers me from a story standpoint. I'm sure I'll like the gameplay well enough.

#55 Posted by hermes (1388 posts) -

Metal Gear fans didn't liked it because its not a Metal Gear game, and Kojima is only a producer.

But that was before one (possibly two) true Metal Gear games were announced... now fans just don't care, and the rest of us can't wait.

#56 Posted by Blimble (302 posts) -

I think a lot of people were annoyed that Raiden didn't get the happy ending he had at the end of 4. The whole becoming a weapon and stuff again kind of goes against his little arc in 4. I'm personally okay with that because a big theme of metal gear is people never getting what they want or peace, you always get dragged back into killing and most of the time you don't know who or what you are fighting for. I can see where everyone else is coming from

It being developed by another studio and Kojima not being that heavily involved could also worry people. Platinum is one of the best developers out there though so people really don't need to worry, if nothing else it should have amazing combat if it is from them.

Haven't had a chance to play the demo yet and I generally love anything metal gear or made by platinum(/clover) so maybe my opinion could be taken with a grain of salt

#57 Posted by project343 (2812 posts) -

I think 'hate' is the wrong word. I think most people are just 'indifferent.' The only thing that makes me moderately interested in the game is the developer's pedigree.

#58 Posted by Morrow (1828 posts) -

People don't like change.

#59 Posted by stryker1121 (1359 posts) -

It helps not to be invested in the MGS franchise. From a pure action game standpoint, Revengeance looks like a ton of idiotic fun.

#60 Posted by GrantHeaslip (1543 posts) -

@GetEveryone said:

Because everything they've released thus far has looked absolutely atrocious.

Did you not see the images released a couple of months ago?

It looked, and this is absolutely not hyperbole, like a late PS2/early 360 title.

Appalling.

Revengeance by no means look amazing, but I think you’ve forgotten what games actually looked like in 2005. It’s certainly not “appalling.”

#61 Edited by ExplodeMode (852 posts) -
Posted 8 months ago

These days there isn't a lot of hate at all. Unlike other franchises that try different approaches, KP have done a good job of showing off and getting interest levels up for future MGS 'main line' titles along side this game. People either seem into it or they don't care. Not many people are actively against it.

#62 Posted by Stonyman65 (2609 posts) -

Because it looks fucking stupid? And Raiden.

I probably one of the most die hard MGS fans on the planet but this..... this is just dumb.

When a game gets killed, brought back, killed again, and then brought back again over the course of 3 years and STILL nobody is saying anything about it... It's kind of a fucking sign. Just let it die already! Nobody cares anymore!

#63 Posted by Shortbreadtom (688 posts) -

I just think it looks pretty drab outside of the sweet cutting mechanic.

#64 Posted by Cold_Wolven (2214 posts) -

I'm still hyped for the game and I like Platinum as a developer and since Kojima Productions weren't going to finish the game then I think Raiden as a character couldn't be in better hands than with a developer that cherishes fast fun dumb action. Also it doesn't make sense for Raiden to be a stealth character like Solid Snake so of course this game wasn't going to be stealth.

#65 Posted by GetEveryone (4455 posts) -

@GrantHeaslip said:

@GetEveryone said:

Because everything they've released thus far has looked absolutely atrocious.

Did you not see the images released a couple of months ago?

It looked, and this is absolutely not hyperbole, like a late PS2/early 360 title.

Appalling.

Revengeance by no means look amazing, but I think you’ve forgotten what games actually looked like in 2005. It’s certainly not “appalling.”

I meant, specifically, the dreary, single-pallet battlefields with absolutely nothing going on in them.

#66 Posted by Reisz (1462 posts) -

@StrainedEyes said:

I hate this game because they decided against telling the story of Raiden between MGS2 and MGS4.

No way man, you should be stoked about this, if Rising sells enough, it could potentially make Raiden a marketable character thus opening up the possibility that game will be made, especially since they have the tech all sorted with the FOX engine. There is a proven track record for Metal Gear Solid prequels after all.

#67 Posted by HerbieBug (4212 posts) -

It's called Metal Gear. It has totally different gameplay and presentation. That's all. Naturally some will be upset.

For me, this being a Metal Gear game is only incidental to my hype for it. Platinum Games action game is the reason i'm interested.

#68 Posted by TooWalrus (13139 posts) -

I stand by my statement.

#69 Posted by FLStyle (4599 posts) -

@Reisz said:

@StrainedEyes said:

I hate this game because they decided against telling the story of Raiden between MGS2 and MGS4.

No way man, you should be stoked about this, if Rising sells enough, it could potentially make Raiden a marketable character thus opening up the possibility that game will be made, especially since they have the tech all sorted with the FOX engine. There is a proven track record for Metal Gear Solid prequels after all.

The FOX engine and MGS prequels count for little when Kojima Productions needs Platinum to devote time and resources away from its own projects to make the Cyber Ninja Raiden hack and slash games for them.

#70 Posted by Brendan (7696 posts) -

I love the word revengeance. It should be a new word.

#71 Posted by golguin (3849 posts) -

@HerbieBug said:

It's called Metal Gear. It has totally different gameplay and presentation. That's all. Naturally some will be upset.

For me, this being a Metal Gear game is only incidental to my hype for it. Platinum Games action game is the reason i'm interested.

I'm interested in the game because of Platinum Games. I've actually never fully played a MGS game (played one for a couple of minutes a long time ago at a friends house) and have never been interested in the series.

#72 Edited by SonnyCheebah (36 posts) -

@Stonyman65 said:

Because it looks fucking stupid? And Raiden.

I probably one of the most die hard MGS fans on the planet but this..... this is just dumb.

When a game gets killed, brought back, killed again, and then brought back again over the course of 3 years and STILL nobody is saying anything about it... It's kind of a fucking sign. Just let it die already! Nobody cares anymore!

It got killed because Kojima didn't know how to make it. And it looks so awesomely over-the-top, that this may be my favorite "Metal Gear" game to date. I can't believe that people still aren't attracted to the Platinum Games stamp. They should make every game, ever.

#73 Posted by krok (6 posts) -

I won't buy a Wii U, so Bayonetta 2 is out of the question. This is the closest I'll get for now. I'm excited as all hell.

#74 Posted by arch4non (443 posts) -

After the trailers I've seen opinions of this game do a complete 180. I'm not sure how much of it is the game looking incredibly awesome or how much of it is just DmC haters latching onto something which isn't DmC, but most of what I've been reading for the last few days has been very positive.

#75 Posted by Tebbit (4450 posts) -

I just wish it wasn't so yellow-brown in colour palette. That's been this generation's ragdoll - abundant, and mostly poorly done.

#76 Posted by MurderBunny (50 posts) -

@arch4non said:

After the trailers I've seen opinions of this game do a complete 180. I'm not sure how much of it is the game looking incredibly awesome or how much of it is just DmC haters latching onto something which isn't DmC, but most of what I've been reading for the last few days has been very positive.

I think it is more down to the fact that this is a spinoff and there are more mainline MGS games coming now. So there is less you can hate about it for what ever happens you will still get your MGS stealth game.

#77 Posted by Milkman (16543 posts) -

It's a completely different from all the other MGS games so obviously, there are going to be die hard fans who are going to have a problem with their favorite franchise going in a completely different direction then they are accustomed to.

#78 Posted by xaLieNxGrEyx (2605 posts) -

You don't seem to "get" MGS and are only focusing on the skin and not anything beneath

MGR looks great but reading your gross over simplified view was painful.

#79 Posted by bananaz (254 posts) -

@EVO said:

Hate? All I've seen is praise.

Same here. As for the series. The storytelling style doesn't quite hold up anymore. I watched a friend of mine play his first MGS game, MGS3, and he started skipping all cutscenes early on. I had to tell him to watch the bridge one, where Volgin shows up. He stopped playing after the credits. I could not blame him at all. I love this game, but if I was playing it for the first time today, I would also stop. MGS really treats you like a small child when you don't need it and then gives you no direction when you do need it.

Remember in the demo, after you kill the first three dudes, when Raiden and his handler have a lenthy and unnecessary conversation about killing those dudes? MGS is back, baby.

#80 Posted by DoctorWelch (2774 posts) -

Wait...since when are people hating on this game? It wasn't even going to exist until Platinum Games decided to make it fucking awesome.

#81 Posted by Pr1mus (3825 posts) -

TIL that once upon a time people hated this game.

Seriously surprised by this because ever since i started paying attention to this game the general feeling i get from people is that it looks awesome.

#82 Posted by Nottle (1912 posts) -

@bananaz said:

@EVO said:

Hate? All I've seen is praise.

Same here. As for the series. The storytelling style doesn't quite hold up anymore. I watched a friend of mine play his first MGS game, MGS3, and he started skipping all cutscenes early on. I had to tell him to watch the bridge one, where Volgin shows up. He stopped playing after the credits. I could not blame him at all. I love this game, but if I was playing it for the first time today, I would also stop. MGS really treats you like a small child when you don't need it and then gives you no direction when you do need it.

Remember in the demo, after you kill the first three dudes, when Raiden and his handler have a lenthy and unnecessary conversation about killing those dudes? MGS is back, baby.

Thats crazy because in every single MGS game you can call up your CO and he'll tell you what to do. Being confused on what you are doing in an MGS game seems like an untrue statement because like you said you'll get a call that says "go to strut F and diffuse the bombs" and then Snake or Raiden will say, "Got to strut F to diffuse the bomb? Got it!"

I think people have the patience to watch those cutscenes or not. I think they are entertaining as hell and it was only a few years ago when I first started to play them.

I always thought it was strange though that my friends can watch Netflix all day but a 6 minute long cutscene is too much.

#83 Posted by bybeach (4735 posts) -

Revengeance has my attention because they may truly be trying to do something on play and story. Or not.

As for old MGS, I totally agree with Nottle. That's what the radio or whatever that device was for(forget the term} Your handler, someone else or even psychologist would give instructions, back ground, etc. It was interesting once to see Snake disagree, and probably was right. But you still had to grasp and use the info by various means.

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