And Otacon says the list of names given to him that are supposedly 'The Patriots' are all dead? Who else was really freaked out then.
Maybe it's just because I was 12 when I first finished MGS2, but whoo-ee, did that give me chills.

I remember when i finished MGS2 i was so confused with the story i didn't know what to think lol

ive compleated it 15 times now and i never saw that bit ontill the playthrough i did  before mgs4  and my jaw dropped and i didnt close my mouth ontill 17 min later

I've played through it many times and I can say that playing with a group of people(3 or more) is the best way to experience this game. It can be so much fun laughing at Raiden!

And it still makes no sense, no matter how many times I play.

I've played it 11 times now, and I only fully grasped the story on about the 10th playthhrough. I say fully grasped, but if I played it again (and I will), I'd probably notice something new.
Once you've played MGS4, there are lots of small things in MGS2 that you will pick up (although I'm convinced Kojima hadn't thought that far ahead when he was making MGS2).
Especially things about Ocelot.

Yeah and I thought, wow this game was not that good at all.

Really? I still think it's one of my favourite games of all time.

I'll admit it, I was pretty freaked out after finishing MGS2 for the first time. I was thinking to myself... "wtf is going on... some dudes that are dead are manipulating this whole crap???"

But now playing it again after MGS4 is awesome, because I understand everything that's going on.

I played the tanker through about 12 times, but I've only played the second part once.  After 4 I've started it again, this time substance.  Raiden slipping on bird poop is still funny, but I still hate Rose's character and how the Colonel acts like an idiot throughout the entire thing. 

At least they brought back the magic with 3 and 4, right?  Those games were really fun.

"What a crock"

"I  thought 2 was funner than 3...


*Runs the hell away*"

I noticed this over at the 1UP.com MGS board... people who had played MGS when it came out and then later played MGS2 when it came out tend to dislike 2 a lot more than people who started the series around when 2 was coming out, or for who 2 was the first one.

Interesting... I started at 1 and disliked 2.. but I love 2 now anyways so oh well. I'm playing it right now.

"Interesting... I started at 1 and disliked 2.. but I love 2 now anyways so oh well. I'm playing it right now."

Same, I wanted Solid Snake. It was the first time we saw Snake all detailed and everything. It took till 4 came out for me to finally love MGS2, because we finally get to play as Solid Snake again and Raiden turned cool haha. Oh and also the story finally made sense.

I absolutely loved the last few lines of Metal Gear Solid 2. Man, if only I could play that game for the first time again... *sigh*

"Same, I wanted Solid Snake. It was the first time we saw Snake all detailed and everything. It took till 4 came out for me to finally love MGS2, because we finally get to play as Solid Snake again and Raiden turned cool haha. Oh and also the story finally made sense."

MGS2 is definitely one of my favourite games ever and by far my favourite in the MGS franchise, though I do wish I could play it again for the first time now because at the time, I felt so underwhelmed at the ending. Probably because I was only about 13 at the time, but I found it way too esoteric and having Raiden take out a zillion Metal Gears felt lame. Now, looking back, all that stuff is done perfectly.

Also, regarding the Patriots at the end of MGS2. I can't remember but did they turn out to be the Wiseman's Committee or was it just complete misinformation?

"MGS2 is definitely one of my favourite games ever and by far my favourite in the MGS franchise, though I do wish I could play it again for the first time now because at the time, I felt so underwhelmed at the ending. Probably because I was only about 13 at the time, but I found it way too esoteric and having Raiden take out a zillion Metal Gears felt lame. Now, looking back, all that stuff is done perfectly.

Also, regarding the Patriots at the end of MGS2. I can't remember but did they turn out to be the Wiseman's Committee or was it just complete misinformation?"

"HandsomeDead said:

"MGS2 is definitely one of my favourite games ever and by far my favourite in the MGS franchise, though I do wish I could play it again for the first time now because at the time, I felt so underwhelmed at the ending. Probably because I was only about 13 at the time, but I found it way too esoteric and having Raiden take out a zillion Metal Gears felt lame. Now, looking back, all that stuff is done perfectly.

Also, regarding the Patriots at the end of MGS2. I can't remember but did they turn out to be the Wiseman's Committee or was it just complete misinformation?"

The Patriots were the AIs!

The Wisemen's Committee were the people that put together the money that eventually led to the creation of the Patriots (the Philosophers' Legacy). So it wasn't exactly misinformation, more of a misunderstanding, I think?"

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Im still reeling from the fact otacon actually got sex from his step mother which killed his father and now his step sister wants his penial implant.

Yeah Otacon's got some issues.

"HandsomeDead said:

"Patchinko said:

"HandsomeDead said:

"MGS2 is definitely one of my favourite games ever and by far my favourite in the MGS franchise, though I do wish I could play it again for the first time now because at the time, I felt so underwhelmed at the ending. Probably because I was only about 13 at the time, but I found it way too esoteric and having Raiden take out a zillion Metal Gears felt lame. Now, looking back, all that stuff is done perfectly.

Also, regarding the Patriots at the end of MGS2. I can't remember but did they turn out to be the Wiseman's Committee or was it just complete misinformation?"

The Patriots were the AIs!

The Wisemen's Committee were the people that put together the money that eventually led to the creation of the Patriots (the Philosophers' Legacy). So it wasn't exactly misinformation, more of a misunderstanding, I think?"

I know the Patriots were the AIs at the end, but them photos had to be somebody and if they were all dead over 100 years ago, being the Wisemen's Comittee would make perfect sense."

I believe The Wisemen;s Commitee is the bigger picture, while the Philosiphers were the smaller, more dominate group.

I think the pictures were of the Philosophers"

MGS2 was very confusing, I was sat there at the TV and when Otacon said that they all died 100 years ago, I was both enthralled and confused. Or more confused than i already was.

"MGS2 was very confusing, I was sat there at the TV and when Otacon said that they all died 100 years ago, I was both enthralled and confused. Or more confused than i already was."

As far as i know MGS4 continues the story of MGS2, maybe MGS4 explains all the stuff that we didn't understand because i really want to know what happened to the tracking device that Snake placed on the Metal Gear.

Yeah. This game has the best story in any game I've ever seen

When I first finished MGS2 I was like "oh geez, now, finally, I can take a piss, I can't hold it any longer!". It was a looooooong piss... but I made it to the secret scene. Woo!

And I didn't really understood MGS2's plot - I was something like 10 and my English was poor at this time.

My thoughts: Oh no! It's the La-Le-Lu-Li-Lo!

If the crazy society-crushing ending wasn't enough, my brother finished that game (for the first time) on exactly April 30th, 2008.

I was very, very distressed.

Im yet again still astonished at how kojima actually though Otacons back story of being a dick having sex with his mother causing his fathers heart attack and some how seducing his step sister....had any thing to do with the story at hand.

then again i still wonder why otacons speeh about the abomb and his family and blah blah blah had any thing to do with that story...

When you get in Arsenal Gear and everything starts flipping out, I actually got scared when the skeleton cheif on the codec came around and they asked me to turn off the console... So I did lol! But I invited a friend over so I could finish the game. He was freaked out as well.

I played it once...and Still am confused...Mostly cause I got to the end and was still wondering why the hell Otacon felt the need to tell me how he fucked his step mom which caused his fathers heart attack and his step sister wants to fuck him too....
That confused me and made me feel...akward I didn't even notice Naked raiden and AI telling him about huggy bears molesting his legs or something.
 
edit: to those that think I'm insane yes I know I've replied 3 times to this thread and didn't even realize I had...I all so didn't realize it was so old... lol

I've beaten every game in the series, and I still don't think I understand what's going on, I played them so many years apart, I think at this point I just need to sit down and read a wiki to help me completely understand what went on.

MGS2 is awesome.
 
Just sayin'