I may be getting a PS3 soon and have been building a list of what games I would like to get. 
Now I have played through MGS4 before and know the story and have watched the cutscenes however that was a while back now so the only reason I would buy this is for the gameplay and shooty/ sneaky stuff however I cant really remember how much of that there is.  So help me.
Also I'd appreciate it if someone would tell me roughly how long Demon's souls, Valkyria Chronicles and Killzone 2 are please. 
Also out of my list could ya'll tell me what they would get out of my list with say  a £40-50 budget or just which 2 games they would get. 
Im thinking of maybe Uncharted 2 and Killzone2 
I would very much like to get Demon's souls if I could get it cheaper than that price. 
Valkyria Chronicles is about £8-£18 on eBay. Might try grab that 
 
 Thanks!

PS3 games I wouldnt mind

May be getting a PS3 soon so this is just my list of games I should try get 
(ordered in price)

	1. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots Already played through it however that was in a very rushed way and I was unable to play through multiple times unlocking everything and doing it different ways (pure stealth, speed runs, action run. etc) (Listed as £9.99 Pre on GAME)
	2. Killzone 2 I have not played through this. I like them First person shooters quite a bit. Good multiplayer. (Listed as £16.99 and £9.99 PRE on GAME
	3. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves Already played through it however that was in a very rushed way and I would like to play through it using cheats aswell (and I would just generally like to play through it a few times anyway). Multiplayer also makes this well worth a purchase even though I have played through it before (Listed as £19.99 platinum and £14.99 PRE Normal on GAME
	4. Valkyria Chronicles Just looks like a lot of fun and quite unique. Might be a little hard to find (Listed as £19.98 on GAME)
	5. Demon's Souls I have not played through this. Looks like the type of game I could play for a long time and I dont mind the high difficulty it has. (Listed as £37.99 on GAME/ I imagine pre owned in a shop it might be alot a cheaper)
	6. Heavy Rain Looks awesome Still a little pricey however (listed as £39.99 on GAME/ £32.99 Pre)
	7. Resident Evil 5 When move comes out and if it's any good using move (Listed as £14.99 and £12.99 PRE on GAME)

I finished the game at 4 hours and 50 minutes skipping all the cutscenes. If you timed all the cutscenes it's about 10 hours.

" @Pie: You can always rent it to see how it's like. "

You can get through it pretty quickly if you're skipping stuff and know what you're doing. 
 
I still think it's something that's worth owning.

I beat it in 23 hours. If you rush through then you can beat in less than 10 hours. I Took my time with it though.

Shop around a bit more dude. You can get Valkyria chronicles for about £8, Demon Souls for £20-something and Heavy Rain is £20 pre-owned in blockbuster. 
 
google game price compare and use that as a starting point.

If you do get MGS4 make sure you don't skip the Raiden vs Vamp cutscene. That shit is BADASS!

It's about 9 hours of cutscenes, 6 hours of gameplay. 
 
 
Also, Uncharted 1 and God of War III?

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I finished the game at 4 hours and 50 minutes skipping all the cutscenes. If you timed all the cutscenes it's about 10 hours.

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" @HitmanAgent47 said:

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I finished the game at 4 hours and 50 minutes skipping all the cutscenes. If you timed all the cutscenes it's about 10 hours.

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Bullshit game is about 18-20 hours if you skipped all the cutsecenes and played it not on easy I'd venture it'd take about 8 hours Which is longer than most games (cough Splinter Cell) "

" @Gabriel said:

" @HitmanAgent47 said:

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I finished the game at 4 hours and 50 minutes skipping all the cutscenes. If you timed all the cutscenes it's about 10 hours.

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Bullshit game is about 18-20 hours if you skipped all the cutsecenes and played it not on easy I'd venture it'd take about 8 hours Which is longer than most games (cough Splinter Cell) "

one of the requirements for the big boss emblem in the game is for beating it on the hardest difficulty in under 5 hours. 4h50m can easily be done if you know what your doing, but i would say 10 hours is the average of pure game play without doing all the extra stuff you can do in a MGS game.  deamon's souls i think i had 40 hours on my first playthrough, but if you end up getting into it im sure you will go for a new game+. "

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I finished the game at 4 hours and 50 minutes skipping all the cutscenes. If you timed all the cutscenes it's about 10 hours.

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MGS4's ending was 2 1/2 HOURS! 
 
The game itself is about 4 hours.

Yesterday was my first time beating it, and I was really satisfied with it. In fact, I played the entire series over the span of two months for the first time, and I felt that 4 wrapped up the story quite well. But really, you should take your time with it. There is so much to do in that game. I spent over 3 hours in one map just playing around, fucking with the guards and testing out the weapons. I guess the only complaint I have is that the game is too easy, as I didn't even have to retry a single boss fight. 
 
Still, if you have a PS3, you should own MGS4.

Took me about 23 hours overall including cut scenes. I like to play it as stealthy as possible.

There's roughly 10 -11 hours worth of gameplay and about 8 hours of cutscenes.

It's actually a pretty long movie.

Was it really that many cutscenes? I didn't feel they were too long.

" @HitmanAgent47 said:

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I finished the game at 4 hours and 50 minutes skipping all the cutscenes. If you timed all the cutscenes it's about 10 hours.

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yeah i bought a PS3 last month and i have a list of the big titles im planning to purchase, and MGS4 just aint one of them. it just doesnt feel right "

Dude, MGS4 is just friggin awesome.  It's easily the best playing Metal Gear game, and it's when the series finally started to play better than any Splinter Cell game.  Sure there's lots of cutscenes, but they're crazy and fun too.  Stop quantifying the quality of a game by how long it lasts.  If that's all that matters to you pick up World of Warcraft and only ever play that.

I got that Big Boss emblem. That was a bitch, or at least one part of it was.
 
Had to play super aggressively to get that time, rushing through troops. You'd be missing out a lot playing through that quick.

Of those games I own Valkyria Chronicles and Demon's Souls.  You can probably figure out that I *really* like Demon's Souls...Valkyria Chronicles is a very good game, but it's a bit too weird for me (there's a flying pig and a lady with a giant drill runs around and kills your dudes).  Also, I get the impression that the "good" guys in this game represent Nazis and the bad guys represent Soviets.  Some of the "good" guys discriminate against the equivalent of "Jews" in your group.  How is that for weird?

Valkyria Chronicles is a very good game, but it's a bit too weird for me (there's a flying pig and a lady with a giant drill runs around and kills your dudes).  Also, I get the impression that the "good" guys in this game are Nazis and the bad guys are Soviets.  Some of the "good" guys discriminate against the equivalent of "Jews" in your group.  How is that for weird?

I've beaten MGS4 in about 3 and half hours without cutscenes.

It's only a 5 hour game, I have a screenshot i'll post later on if I can still find it. Did you know kojima counts the cutscenes as gameplay during your end time? Your all so fooled by kojima into thinking cutscenes are gameplay, that shows he's a good director, or your gullible.  
 
At torrents, which I can't really talk about in great detail, says there is 10 hours exactly of cutscenes video wise, if you want to download all the cutscenes, now factor in codecs.  
 
5 hours 45 minutes or I don't know, let me find my screenshot, I couldn't belive it years ago, so I took a screenshot incase no one belive me.

If you are not invested enough into the fiction it may be worth missing this one, however, this is the best game in the franchise in terms of game-play.

I'd get Demons'ssss Soulssss 
and either MGS or Killzone, Killzone's single player is weak on story but the back story that was put into the first game and the story that is on the net is really good, and it's a shame that it wasn't fully integrated, it makes you feel like a cunt because it turns out you're the bad guys. 
  
I bought Uncharted and once I clocked it in 10 hours I returned it for my money back, it was good, but I should have rented. 

If you've already experienced MGS4 then the other games on the list should be your priority.  In terms of gameplay, there's about 5-8 hours depending on how you play.  Once you have some spare cash you should probably pick it up for cheap, or wait for the inevitable subsistence-style special edition.
 
There are dozens of hours in Demon's Souls.  The game is oddly structured so it's hard to give a good single playthrough time, but I would put it at easily 30+ hours.  Then there's New Game+, and the desire to build new characters that will surely grip you.  There's also a minimum of 10 hours worth of homework to do at the Demon's Souls wiki site ((http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/)
 
Valkyria Chronicles will put at least 20 hours on the game clock, but expect to play for longer since there will be a number of times where you re-load a save in order to better perfect your strategies.
 
Killzone 2 is about 5-7 hours for the single-player campaign.  There's still a decent sized community for the multiplayer so you may sink plenty of hours into that.
 
If I had to pick 2 games from that list it would be Uncharted 2: Among Thieves (you should probably play the first if you haven't) and Demon's Souls.  If I had to pick a back-up 2 it would be Valkyria Chronicles and Killzone 2.

" @Justaddwater:  Just to let you know Blockbuster's games used games is usually the most used of the used.  I always hate buying used games just because the disc can get scratched to the point it wont play, and with a rental store the fact is a ton of people have been handling those games.  I don't want to stick up for a company like Gamestop but at least they tend to look at how scuffed up the disc is before there buying it from the previous owner.  Blockbuster I doubt checks if the game works, i'm sure they just wait till someone complains after they rented it. "

I don't know which games existence I hate more Demon Souls or Killzone 2. 
While playing Demon Souls is like being tortured via being made to watch the Transformers series from start to crappy Bay end, Killzone 2 can go fuck it's self. 
yeah Killzone 2 is bad.

Don't forget about the first Uncharted - it's awesome too.

MGS4 is for the fans.  Not the gameplay.  Its a thank you for playing, here's how it ends.  If you want Metal Gear Solidy action get  3 not 4.  
 
I repeat, 4 is solely for the long time fans and people easily amused by graphics.  The people who played 1, when it was first released.  If you want gameplay buy 3 or the VR missions.  The action in 4 is merely a catalyst for the story. 

" MGS4 is for the fans.  Not the gameplay.  Its a thank you for playing, here's how it ends.  If you want Metal Gear Solidy action get  3 not 4.    I repeat, 4 is solely for the long time fans and people easily amused by graphics.  The people who played 1, when it was first released.  If you want gameplay buy 3 or the VR missions.  The action in 4 is merely a catalyst for the story.  "

MGS4's gameplay is perfect. How can Snake Eater's gameplay be better? Guns of the Patriots took everything that Snake Eater did well and perfected it. The controls, camera, combat, etc. It's all so much better than Snake Eater. The only part I though was a bit underwhelming were the boss fights, but the rest of the gameplay is fantastic.

" @agentboolen said:

" @Justaddwater:  Just to let you know Blockbuster's games used games is usually the most used of the used.  I always hate buying used games just because the disc can get scratched to the point it wont play, and with a rental store the fact is a ton of people have been handling those games.  I don't want to stick up for a company like Gamestop but at least they tend to look at how scuffed up the disc is before there buying it from the previous owner.  Blockbuster I doubt checks if the game works, i'm sure they just wait till someone complains after they rented it. "

Well in the U.K. at least its not like that, Blockbuster's preowned games are always great quality, I tried to trade a game in before and they refused it even though it was in pretty good condition. "

" @Justaddwater said:

" @agentboolen said:

" @Justaddwater:  Just to let you know Blockbuster's games used games is usually the most used of the used.  I always hate buying used games just because the disc can get scratched to the point it wont play, and with a rental store the fact is a ton of people have been handling those games.  I don't want to stick up for a company like Gamestop but at least they tend to look at how scuffed up the disc is before there buying it from the previous owner.  Blockbuster I doubt checks if the game works, i'm sure they just wait till someone complains after they rented it. "

Well in the U.K. at least its not like that, Blockbuster's preowned games are always great quality, I tried to trade a game in before and they refused it even though it was in pretty good condition. "

Not sure you understood me, what I meant is since they have been rented by many people they are handled by a lot of different gamers.  And from what I know I don't think Blockbuster ever buys games used, they just sell the games that stop having interest from renters.  But what ever if your happy with what you recieve maybe European renters don't abuse discs as much, for me the less people handle the game the better. "

" @agentboolen said:

" @Justaddwater said:

" @agentboolen said:

" @Justaddwater:  Just to let you know Blockbuster's games used games is usually the most used of the used.  I always hate buying used games just because the disc can get scratched to the point it wont play, and with a rental store the fact is a ton of people have been handling those games.  I don't want to stick up for a company like Gamestop but at least they tend to look at how scuffed up the disc is before there buying it from the previous owner.  Blockbuster I doubt checks if the game works, i'm sure they just wait till someone complains after they rented it. "

Well in the U.K. at least its not like that, Blockbuster's preowned games are always great quality, I tried to trade a game in before and they refused it even though it was in pretty good condition. "

Not sure you understood me, what I meant is since they have been rented by many people they are handled by a lot of different gamers.  And from what I know I don't think Blockbuster ever buys games used, they just sell the games that stop having interest from renters.  But what ever if your happy with what you recieve maybe European renters don't abuse discs as much, for me the less people handle the game the better. "

 Ah weird, they dont sell ex-rental discs here, they buy games from customers (like gamestop) and just sell them. "

Killzone 2 would be a good game. I actually wrote a review on it very recently. You can read it if you're unsure. 
 
 
Also, I never played a Metal Gear Solid game before in my life, and I love EVERYTHING about MGS4. Even the online!

All of it?  
Differentiating between playable segments and cutscenes is fucking stupid. 
A game is a game is a game.  Whether it be Dragon's Lair or MW2.
Kojima games are about the fiction and the world, not about how much time you get to shoot stuff. 
If you don't like long cutscenes, don't play MGS4. You'll miss out on a great story and a great game...but apparently that means fuck all to some people.

play it on the hardest difficulty and see how fast the gameplay goes.  

Just got MGS4 shortly after my PS3, haven't watched it yet.