It's every bit as good as I think it is. Don't tell me my opinions are wrong.

" It's every bit as good as I think it is. Don't tell me my opinions are wrong. "

" I don't believe MGS4 is the best of the series but it was necessary the way it came out. But also,

 Nevertheless, Metal Gear Solid 2 remains one of my most beloved games, and I rank it in my top five “of all time”.    

Your argument is invalid. No more further reading from you! "

" And I just have to say, I fucking STOPPED reading when you fucking complained that his FUCKING MUSTACHE DOESN'T MOVE. Everything before that was a bit too blown out of proportions, but I totally respect all of those complaints. They are issues, even if they don't fucking matter for the actual enjoyment of the game unless your impatient as all hell. Which, if your playing MGS4, is a very bad thing for you to be.  BUT WHAT THE FUCK. Do you have ANY idea how a mustache behaves? Clearly not. At his age, with a mustache that short, its not going to fucking WAVE AROUND IN THE WIND.  I am NOT reading the rest of this. If your going to honestly make a big deal out of that, your can just go stfu. I respect you for being hard on games, I do the same, and maybe if you comb through here and remove all of the batshit complaints (and btw, your not allowed to complain about the MGS plots. Their fucking insane, and its SUPPOSED to be like that), I could respect this a lot more. But you complain about normal ass things, and even some of the strengths of the game. How many games have you seen with better hair than MGS?? At least it moves and doesn't look like something carved of wood like a Bioware game or Bioshock might have. "

" @PrivateIronTFU said:

" It's every bit as good as I think it is. Don't tell me my opinions are wrong. "

Exactly. MGS4 is one of my favourite games of all time but it certainly isn't the best game of all time. This whole blog post screams of your wrong and I'm right here's why idiots.  "

Eh, details like the mustache aren't a big deal. The only thing I know about the stache is that it has as many polys as one whole MGS1 soldier or something like that.  
 
 I wish that "Naked Son" or whatever that part at the very end with the cemetary didn't exist.     

" One point, which I don't think you mentioned in your excellent post (no really, great critique), is that Snake has the ridiculous and annoying tendency throughout the whole fucking game to repeat every single thing he's just been told as a question ("Metal Gear?", "Shadow Moses?", "The philosophers?" etc.), as if Kojima thinks the audience has the attention span of a fucking goldfish. "

not to shit on your great amount of effort and your opinion which is a valid one.. but i thought it was great.. and i still think it is.

Boring-ass game IMO; MGS1 is WAY better (and the best in the series).

I loved the game.  One of my favorite games this generation.
 
But there isn't one game in existence that everyone likes, so no worries duder.  

Dude, I didn't even play MGS4, nor do I plan to, but that was such a well thought-out, great read. That section in the beginning probably saved you 10x the time it took to write it that you would've been arguing with people over the points that followed in your post. If only everyone wrote like you...

" Dude, I didn't even play MGS4, nor do I plan to, but that was such a well thought-out, great read. That section in the beginning probably saved you 10x the time it took to write it that you would've been arguing with people over the points that followed in your post. If only everyone wrote like you... "

It's okay, MGS Rising will makeup for any previous indiscretions (:

This is a very well done and articulated review. Sums up everything I feel about the game. It kind of inspires me to done a similar blog on Modern Warfare 2.

" I loved the game.  One of my favorite games this generation. But there isn't one game in existence that everyone likes, so no worries duder.   "

You're right: it's even better.

" @MethodMan008 said:

" I loved the game.  One of my favorite games this generation. But there isn't one game in existence that everyone likes, so no worries duder.   "

that's not the issue. The problem is people given mgs4 a free ride for all it's problems, and not taking a proper look at the game.  "

J.Cristy! I read 1/2 of that...well written! and some of it, like the plot mechanization's and such I would like to understand more about. and like you I hated the escort/act 3, except for the end, which of course I barely understood, and have the sneaking suspicion that assumption fails, also 
 
The we-men thing. well, I guess snake is heavily into women in a heavily playboy type way. except he always shot blanks, and may now have erectile difficulties. I found part of it silly, like taking orders from a ship commander with a very commanding butt. And the flighty lady scientist and the crazy boss lady enemies and so on. It was Sunny that bothered me really though .Kojima seemed to like to bang the creepiness with that bedroom cam thing right up to the edge. i did not like that..just didn't. Not healthy. 
 
But the story and such ..I knew it was way over the top going in. Bizarrely long cut scenes and plot twists became normal, just as I knew that once more I was going to have to watch Octagon have another fucking breakdown. come to think, I swore I didn't want to see that again, though last time  had another implied creep element to it, I thought they were brother and sister..confused.. confused about MG-2. 
 
But again, it was over the top. with interesting game play for me, despite the shooting system. I loved how I could access all sorts of things, including psychological counseling suspect of course by back story. And the graphics overall impressed me, or at least the clarity did. I had an excellent time with it, and acknowledge that it probably did leave itself open to a thousand criticisms. Cut scenes longer than 5 minutes, that right there. But I flowed with it. I guess I take the game as a whole, and if I actually did play through it again, would probably just dread the third act, and Octagons bawling driving me to rage kill, but still enjoy everything else about the ride. 
 
Oh, and keep Sunny cam off. 
 
edit..Raiden pissed me off also,(damn you are right about some of it.!) I got tired of his bleeding out White Whatever during that one whole cutscene, though Ikinda had to admire the  gutsy implied homo-eroticism of the double stabbing and such. From a nice safe heterosexual distance I might, uhm, add. There was a japanese cultural icon decades ago I remember reading about, who was into heavy martial arts, extreme nationalism, and you guessed it. sexually. He kept about 50 male students around him. He was a acclaimed artist who was inspired by some christian saint being peirced by arrows, and actually got dirty thoughts from it .  Kojima may have been drawing on this individual, maybe.

 @mxdirector:  
No....  The story line made sense to me, was paced great to me.  I had a blast with the multiplayer, team sneaking is one of the best modes I have played..  I thought the stealth was fine.  I thought the shooting was fine.  Installs don't matter to me...  It's not hard to find something to do for 2 minutes... Like check the forums.  
 
Your opinion is not fact, I don't see your beef with my opinion.
 

" I dunno.. sounds more like you want to force yourself to hate it. Forgive me if I don't have a huge reply :( I just don't want to sit here and psycho analyze it, but I'm sorry you had a terrible experience. "

The only thing I didn't like about MGS4 was the ending.  it was sort of a cop out, but I still loved the game.  

Nope.

Was the title of the blog really necessary? It's the equivalent of some snobby elementary school kid spouting "Its not as good as you think it is". This is coming someone who's contemptuous towards the Metal Gear Solid series as a whole. I'm surprised that MGS2 is one of your favorites, when it is just as ludicrously and poorly written, if not, more than Metal Gear Solid 4.

Bu-but Kojima is a genius because he made it stupid on purpose!

Very true. MGS4 was very poor compared to every other entry in the series.

Where did I call you an asshole? 
 
Dude, does Mass Effect 2 not make sense because all the reapers could get together and attack at once?  Does God of War not make sense because all the monster could gang up on Kratos at once instead of attacking him in small groups?  Does Batman Arkham Asylum not make sense because all the super criminals and thugs don't surround Batman and destory him? 
 
And, no, Vamp/Ms. Hunter are not immortal, Naomi killed Vamp herself.

"  I pity you for being some asshole that clearly only gets enjoyment out of trolling internet forums.  I hope I make your days a little brighter by responding to you." 
 You edited it out, but it's saved in the pm that alerts you when one has replied to you. 
 
taking something to absurd extremes to try and disprove something. but by this point i am not surprised at all. Hell, i could roll out kojima at this point and he would explain that he was high, and you would still argue it all.  
 
small plot holes do not compare to large plot holes. again you are justifying nonsense, trying to convince your self it's great even though i#ve already proven its wrong. you're arguing the semantics over the term immortal, trying desperately to find some form of victory. fine they are not immortal, just capable of surviving the radiation tunnel.  You win by ignoring logic and common sense and focusing on the definition of a word (which by the way that same word is used to describe many beings who have died, but what ever) 
 
let's use an example. die hard is a movie about coincidence. a man in the wrong place at the wrong time. and the film is based around this small coincidence, and you can nit pick at that all you want. but to compare that to mgs4 would be like if alan rickman found willis, flew him in to the building, put him in the room, took his shoes and said "when we meet later pretend that you dont know who i am, and give me an empty gun". Which is a great comparison to mgs4 actually, as that basically happened, ocelot tricked solid snake in to every thing to do something which you have admitted that doesn't make sense to do. There's a major difference between subtle coincidence,  plot holes, and convenience  and major  coincidence,  plot holes, and convenience. but this is something you fail to understand . actually i know you understand it, you just refuse to accept it, because you think i'm a asshole and you're ego won't let you accept that i'm right. so go ahead and do your best at clutching at the few remaining straws, you won't convince me of anything, because right now you're struggling to convince yourself. 

I realize this is from months ago, but i want to ask, why did you feel the need to write all this? Just to give your opinion or what? It just seems to go into a fuckload of detail for just wanting to let people know you don't think the game's all that great...

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Press START to continue

If you consider that the player has to press START to clear the overwhelming majority of load screens, then Kojima Productions has very nearly gotten away with murder. At the end of the majority of the thirty-three second (on average) load screens, players are required to press the START button to proceed through and continue with the game. This quickly gets tiring. You’re forcing me to sit through a ridiculous amount of load screens; somehow you found the balls to make me press START too. And not even the X or Circle button either – no, it must be START. Thankfully the PlayStation button is very nearby the START button, so it doesn’t require too much extra energy to quit and find something else to play.