Could Solidus Snake (George Sears) be the main character?

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#1 Posted by Thanatos3 (80 posts) -

After all, he looks like Snake, this could explain his hatred for the patriots if the soldiers are from Cypher, and we never "saw" his actual arm in MGS 2. What do you think?

#2 Posted by TooWalrus (13136 posts) -

That'd be weird...

#3 Posted by JackSukeru (5903 posts) -

It will probably be Raiden again.

Just 'cause.

#4 Posted by MooseyMcMan (10471 posts) -

Wouldn't he be too busy being a politician and/or leading child soldiers to be in this game?

#5 Posted by Thanatos3 (80 posts) -

@MooseyMcMan: Depends on when this takes place. This could be what happens to him after the Siberian Civil War. Leading to his discovery of who he is and going after the patriots. Or maybe i just want Solidus to become a character with a bit more development than what he got.

#6 Posted by Nottle (1912 posts) -

I just think it's weird that everything in the trailer is MGS3 imagery.

@Thanatos3: Maybe I just don't remember much about Liquid compared to Solidus, but Solidus seemed like a more interesting but less cool character. With Solidus it seemed like there was just a little more depth, that they didn't really explore.

Or maybe I just unreasonably like MGS2.

#7 Posted by dungbootle (2457 posts) -

I never considered that. I can see it. Think it would be cool, too.

#8 Posted by Chaser324 (6325 posts) -

@Nottle said:

I just think it's weird that everything in the trailer is MGS3 imagery.

Those flower petals falling at the beginning of that trailer pretty much seals it being Big Boss in my opinion.

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#9 Posted by crithon (3081 posts) -

I never understood why George Sears art in MGS2 never looked like Solidus, he was too skiny, no beard.

#10 Posted by gaminghooligan (1407 posts) -

@crithon: wow it really doesn't look like him.

also as cool as it would be to play as Solidus, this:

@MooseyMcMan said:

Wouldn't he be too busy being a politician and/or leading child soldiers to be in this game?

#11 Posted by Serpentenema (216 posts) -

@Chaser324 said:

@Nottle said:

I just think it's weird that everything in the trailer is MGS3 imagery.

Those flower petals falling at the beginning of that trailer pretty much seals it being Big Boss in my opinion.

watch it just be some wacky shit where you play as all 4 snakes.

#12 Posted by Colourful_Hippie (4330 posts) -

@Serpentenema said:

@Chaser324 said:

@Nottle said:

I just think it's weird that everything in the trailer is MGS3 imagery.

Those flower petals falling at the beginning of that trailer pretty much seals it being Big Boss in my opinion.

watch it just be some wacky shit where you play as all 4 snakes.

So basically like this but with Snakes.

#13 Posted by punkxblaze (2957 posts) -

@Serpentenema said:

@Chaser324 said:

@Nottle said:

I just think it's weird that everything in the trailer is MGS3 imagery.

Those flower petals falling at the beginning of that trailer pretty much seals it being Big Boss in my opinion.

watch it just be some wacky shit where you play as all 4 snakes.

The All-Snake.

#14 Posted by Nottle (1912 posts) -

@punkxblaze said:

@Serpentenema said:

@Chaser324 said:

@Nottle said:

I just think it's weird that everything in the trailer is MGS3 imagery.

Those flower petals falling at the beginning of that trailer pretty much seals it being Big Boss in my opinion.

watch it just be some wacky shit where you play as all 4 snakes.

The All-Snake.

So it's the Peace Walker trailer? Too bad it makes no story sense for any of the Snakes to work together.

#15 Posted by punkxblaze (2957 posts) -

@Nottle said:

@punkxblaze said:

@Serpentenema said:

@Chaser324 said:

@Nottle said:

I just think it's weird that everything in the trailer is MGS3 imagery.

Those flower petals falling at the beginning of that trailer pretty much seals it being Big Boss in my opinion.

watch it just be some wacky shit where you play as all 4 snakes.

The All-Snake.

So it's the Peace Walker trailer? Too bad it makes no story sense for any of the Snakes to work together.

All the snakes are fused by nano machines. He has Solid Snake's MGS1 youth, Naked Snake's one eyed-ness, and Liquid's one-armed-ness. BAM.

This is ridiculous. I can't even pretend I'm not kidding.

#16 Posted by Nottle (1912 posts) -

@punkxblaze said:

@Nottle said:

@punkxblaze said:

@Serpentenema said:

@Chaser324 said:

@Nottle said:

I just think it's weird that everything in the trailer is MGS3 imagery.

Those flower petals falling at the beginning of that trailer pretty much seals it being Big Boss in my opinion.

watch it just be some wacky shit where you play as all 4 snakes.

The All-Snake.

So it's the Peace Walker trailer? Too bad it makes no story sense for any of the Snakes to work together.

All the snakes are fused by nano machines. He has Solid Snake's MGS1 youth, Naked Snake's one eyed-ness, and Liquid's one-armed-ness. BAM.

This is ridiculous. I can't even pretend I'm not kidding.

Turns out Raiden is renamed Snake and they make 2 Phantoms from him.

#17 Posted by ArtisanBreads (3743 posts) -

@Chaser324 said:

@Nottle said:

I just think it's weird that everything in the trailer is MGS3 imagery.

Those flower petals falling at the beginning of that trailer pretty much seals it being Big Boss in my opinion.

Yeah. Plus there are hints at Volgin, Boss, and other MGS3 characters/moments. I think it's pretty safely Boss.

#18 Posted by Hizang (8534 posts) -

It would be cool if it was, but I really don't think it would be. I think its either Big Boss or a clone of Solid Snake.

#19 Posted by N7 (3573 posts) -

It's not Solidus Snake. It's Snake Snake. The clone of Solid Snake, Snake Snake is sent on a mission to prove to the United States Government how much a threat falling down can be to the nation. He trips his way across the battlefield, tumbling and stumbling his way through dangerous situations most special forces soldiers have nightmares about. Can he stand, or, flop, to the challenge? Can he stop the ultimate evil, Metal Gear QWOP? Only time will tell in, Metal Gear Solid V: Still Stumblin'.

#20 Posted by Snail (8579 posts) -

There's a character named Solidus Snake? Seriously?

In all honesty, the more I know about this franchise...

#21 Posted by Nottle (1912 posts) -

@Snail said:

There's a character named Solidus Snake? Seriously?

In all honesty, the more I know about this franchise...

Honestly I think Solidus has one of the more interesting motivations as a villain, the only thing that sucks is his name and his weird suit that makes no sense.

#22 Posted by BisonHero (6169 posts) -

@Snail said:

There's a character named Solidus Snake? Seriously?

In all honesty, the more I know about this franchise...

Yeah, that's the third state of matter. Solid, Liquid, and Solidus. And the fourth state is Naked.

#23 Posted by I_Stay_Puft (3012 posts) -

I'd actually think it'd be cooler if it was Liquid Snake. I know no arm in the beginning of the trailer probably means it won't be Liquid but I'd kinda be interested to find out Liquid went insane in the membrane.

#24 Edited by GetEveryone (4455 posts) -

Hasn't Kojima said he'd like to do more with Big Boss and Foxhound?

I thought Ground Zeros (ie. Phantom Pain) was confirmed to be Big Boss?

@Snail said:

There's a character named Solidus Snake? Seriously?

In all honesty, the more I know about this franchise...

He, Solid and Liquid are all clones of Big Boss. It's daft, but was established pretty early on (in Metal Gear Solid) - the series isn't exactly high brow.

#25 Edited by FengShuiGod (1478 posts) -

It's actually a Mine Craft clone that is unrelated to any Metal Gear game.

#26 Posted by probablytuna (3534 posts) -

No, you're playing as Kojima playing as Snake.

#27 Posted by MasterBrief (173 posts) -

I was kind of thinking it was Big Boss and the guy with face wraps might be Zero? But then I can't explain the missing arm.

#28 Posted by KaneRobot (1418 posts) -

It's not MGS5, It's a reboot. He's just The Solid Snake.

#29 Edited by Mnemoidian (955 posts) -

Looks an aweful lot like Naked Snake/Big Boss...

(See below for images of the "family".)

Obviously, seeing how MGS2 is a PS2 game, it's not as easy to compare, but I'd say that our Phantom Pain-subject is a lot more similar to Big Boss, than he is to Solidus. There's also the matter of Solidus' increased aging, and us not being entirely sure which decade Phantom Pain is set in, what with there being what looks like a child-version of Psycho Mantis appearing in it, the straight spedometer in the car, the soldiers wearing the exact same gear as the soldiers in the Ground Zeroes trailer (which we know a lot more about the timing of!)... etc.

I'm not saying I know what's up with it, but I think it's a lot more likely that we're looking at Big Boss than Solidus Snake. Also, looking at Old Snake's appearance, you can see that the clones don't age identically to Big Boss, Old Snake looks different enough that it's easily possible to tell them apart, even if Big Boss didn't have the eyepatch. Also, some people have pointed out that Phantom Pain-guy has a scar on his cheek that is very similar to the one found on Big Boss' cheek... though that tends to use the mirrored image as reference, which is... problematic.

See here: Phantom Pain (???), Ground Zeroes (Big Boss), MGS4 (Big Boss), Peace Walker (Big Boss) MGS2 (Solidus), MGS4 (Old Snake), MGS1 (Liquid Snake).

Big Boss as shown in Metal Gear Solid 4
#30 Posted by AuthenticM (3698 posts) -

If the game takes place some weeks or months after PW, he wouldn't even be born yet.

#31 Posted by JohnstonThistle (42 posts) -

No.

#32 Posted by Thanatos3 (80 posts) -

@Mnemoidian: Wasn't Solidus the perfect clone of Big Boss. Anyway probably not, the imagery makes more sense if its Big Boss. Also I very much think this could lead to the origins of Mantis, you see him in the trailer near the end and in MGS 1 he mentions seeing everything on fire.

#33 Posted by Mnemoidian (955 posts) -

@Thanatos3: Yeah, a pure clone - no modification (except for the part where they accelerated his aging...? *shrug*), unlike what they were doing with Liquid and Solid. But it turns out that you need more than DNA to be a perfect soldier. Environment and experience are also important.

He's a really odd choice to turn into a puppet-president :P

#34 Posted by Raven10 (1726 posts) -

@GetEveryone said:

Hasn't Kojima said he'd like to do more with Big Boss and Foxhound?

I thought Ground Zeros (ie. Phantom Pain) was confirmed to be Big Boss?

@Snail said:

There's a character named Solidus Snake? Seriously?

In all honesty, the more I know about this franchise...

He, Solid and Liquid are all clones of Big Boss. It's daft, but was established pretty early on (in Metal Gear Solid) - the series isn't exactly high brow.

Ground Zeroes is not Metal Gear Solid V. Kojima has said he is working on both games. All we know is that Ground Zeroes comes out first and sets up the scenario of Metal Gear Solid V. Big Boss is definitely the character in Ground Zeroes.

#35 Posted by Do_The_Manta_Ray (568 posts) -

@Raven10 said:

@GetEveryone said:

Hasn't Kojima said he'd like to do more with Big Boss and Foxhound?

I thought Ground Zeros (ie. Phantom Pain) was confirmed to be Big Boss?

@Snail said:

There's a character named Solidus Snake? Seriously?

In all honesty, the more I know about this franchise...

He, Solid and Liquid are all clones of Big Boss. It's daft, but was established pretty early on (in Metal Gear Solid) - the series isn't exactly high brow.

Ground Zeroes is not Metal Gear Solid V. Kojima has said he is working on both games. All we know is that Ground Zeroes comes out first and sets up the scenario of Metal Gear Solid V. Big Boss is definitely the character in Ground Zeroes.

Would you mind actually linking, or at the very least, quoting Kojima on what it was that he said? As to my knowledge, he has affirmed that Ground Zeroes is indeed the "prequel" to Metal Gear Solid 5, which one can interpret in any number of ways, but never actually said that he's working on two different games.

I'm personally entertaining the theory that Ground Zeroes is, likely, the name of the prologue or the first act of Metal Gear Solid 5 and that the "Phantom Pain" is a later act in the same game, perhaps even just a shorter sequence. There are a number of theories that support this idea, not only would developing two games simultaneously, starring the same protagonist where one game is a direct sequal to the other, be considered as commercial suicide, but the design of the enemies (armed guards) is identical across both games with no change in graphic fidelity, not even to mention the fact that we know next to nothing about either game. All of which highly suggests that they are not just the same series, but the same game.

#36 Edited by SASnake (311 posts) -

@Snail said:

There's a character named Solidus Snake? Seriously?

In all honesty, the more I know about this franchise...

Solid. Liquid and Solidus are types of substances in chemistry, so its not all that weird....there is also Liquidus...I bet thats who you play in this game!

#37 Posted by Demoskinos (14562 posts) -

*cue Sam Jackson's Snakes on a plane line*

#38 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (912 posts) -
@Thanatos3: Soliduses remains where used to put Big Boss back together again 
#39 Posted by Raven10 (1726 posts) -

@Do_The_Manta_Ray: I based it on this article:

http://www.joystiq.com/2012/09/01/metal-gear-solid-ground-zeroes-is-gorgeous-open-world-and-not

He's spoken several times about Metal Gear Solid 5 being in development. I don't know, I guess they could be the same game, but I just highly doubt it.

#40 Posted by Aleryn (703 posts) -

That'd be cool. I'd enjoy a game that isn't Big Boss since it seems he'll be starring in the other game.

What I'd really like to see is a game with Liquid Snake as the lead, and set during his prime sometime in the 80s or 90s.

#41 Posted by Benjamimmy (565 posts) -

Assuming the main character is missing an eye under that bandage, it wouldn't be possible as Solidus lost his left eye, not his right, not to mention parts of Solidus's remains were used to recreate Big Boss. I still have no idea though, as this character is missing his arm... I originally thought that maybe it takes place when Big Boss was in a coma and Zero proceeded with Les Enfants Terribles and Big Boss has some funky dreams or something, influenced by the child who may be Psycho Mantis. But again; that arm is missing!

#42 Posted by Cold_Wolven (2211 posts) -

I actually stated thinking it might be Solidus since he is suppose to be the closest resembling clone of Big Boss and not much is known of Solidus before MGS2 other than the child soldiers. Or it's a failed clone on Solid Snake if Kojima wanted to be crazy enough.

#43 Posted by BisonHero (6169 posts) -

@MooseyMcMan said:

Wouldn't he be too busy being a politician and/or leading child soldiers to be in this game?

What's the timeline on that again? He had to be leading child soldiers first, for Raiden to be the right age, right? Then he was president Sears years later?

That's one of the stupidest things in the whole MGS series. Guess what? Turns out you can't be president if you led a bunch of child soldiers in a 3rd world nation! The Patriots can rig the vote or whatever, but unless the Patriots control literally every journalist in every nation everywhere, it's so impossible that his past wouldn't be exposed.

#44 Posted by psylah (2162 posts) -

That would be great, the first 2/3rds of the game would be the best work Kojima has ever done, stealth action and great cinematics, then the back third where you get elected and become President could be just like the end of Fable 3.

#45 Posted by RE_Player1 (7549 posts) -

I hope so. He is the greatest Metal Gear character:

#46 Posted by Thanatos3 (80 posts) -

@msavo: What the FUCK was that!! I thought I was a big fan of Metal Gear...

#47 Edited by Reisz (1461 posts) -

I had kind of wanted this to be Solidus before I brushed up on the time lines, looking at the visual stuff like the car, the prosthetic forearm and the chopper at the end, the setting needs to be between 1976 and 1989 which would put Solidus in his teens at most. As much as I want to see more of Solidus' story, MGS V won't be that game.

The weird thing is with with that setting how could the main character be Big Boss either?, No arm and a re-damaged right eye? Who knows, maybe the events of Ground Zeroes lead to a serious case of PTSD and MGS V is all a psychosomatic response to being put in an institution >_<

The important thing to remember though is Big Boss did spend time in a coma after 1972, which like said is when Zero got the program started to clone the twins, So there is canonical precedent for this being Big Boss, except that means the events in the hospital take place before Peace walker which seems. . . . . ridiculous.

Fingers crossed that the main character is a genetic failure of the first round of cloning, that's the only plausible way I can justify a snake of this age, in this time period with these injuries.

Whatever man I just want to play it.

#48 Posted by Dan_CiTi (3172 posts) -

Man Solidus was fucking amazing.

#49 Posted by MasterBrief (173 posts) -

@Thanatos3: The guy on fire? Maybe it might have origins to more than just Mantis.

#50 Posted by cthomer5000 (743 posts) -

@Snail said:

There's a character named Solidus Snake? Seriously?

In all honesty, the more I know about this franchise...

I went from trying to play the original (NES) in 1988 to MGS2 this past year, and my mind was so blown in a retarted way with the naming conventions that i played a few hours into Raiden and just gave up.

The mythology seems so laughable. Not hating, it's just not for me. And it's hard to even sound serious when talking about it out loud.

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